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« Reply #450 on: July 20, 2022, 08:38:32 AM »

Tbh, whilst the polls for Sunak don't look great at the moment, I think both Truss and Mordaunt are eminently beatable for him in the membership vote, particularly given a month long hustings. Mordaunt more so perhaps, as if you're on the right then there really isn't any especially good reason to vote for her over Sunak, but I don't necessarily think that Truss' right-wing posturing is the advantage that some assume it to be, given that the party membership has tended to back the more 'electable' candidate in past contests (with the exception of IDS vs Clarke in 2001).
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« Reply #451 on: July 20, 2022, 08:43:55 AM »

Tbh, whilst the polls for Sunak don't look great at the moment, I think both Truss and Mordaunt are eminently beatable for him in the membership vote, particularly given a month long hustings. Mordaunt more so perhaps, as if you're on the right then there really isn't any especially good reason to vote for her over Sunak, but I don't necessarily think that Truss' right-wing posturing is the advantage that some assume it to be, given that the party membership has tended to back the more 'electable' candidate in past contests (with the exception of IDS vs Clarke in 2001).

And in that case Clarke was pretty far out of the Tory membership mainstream.

I agree that counting Sunak out is premature. He’s certainly able to beat both his opponents - it’s a question of how bloody the triumph would be.
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« Reply #452 on: July 20, 2022, 09:35:45 AM »
« Edited: July 20, 2022, 09:39:00 AM by Torrain »

Mordaunt allies anonymously conceding they’ve lost to a number of Lobby journalists, and Team Truss starting to brag to the same reporters.

If Mordaunt pulls it off now - then the number of MPs who’ve lied to the Truss teams unofficial whips will be quite something…
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« Reply #453 on: July 20, 2022, 09:41:07 AM »

Another day, another ballot, another bizarre photo shoot by the 1922.

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« Reply #454 on: July 20, 2022, 09:54:07 AM »

Interesting:

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« Reply #455 on: July 20, 2022, 09:56:47 AM »

Sunak vs Truss to burn the party 🔥🔥🔥
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« Reply #456 on: July 20, 2022, 10:02:28 AM »

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« Reply #457 on: July 20, 2022, 10:06:51 AM »

What a pathetic party. Starmer better destroy whoever wins this sh*tshow in the next GE.
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« Reply #458 on: July 20, 2022, 10:08:06 AM »

My calculation:

Sunak: 132
Truss: 116
Mordaunt: 108


Reality:

Sunak: 137
Truss: 113
Mordaunt: 105

To me this suggests there was no funny business.

Tbh, whilst the polls for Sunak don't look great at the moment, I think both Truss and Mordaunt are eminently beatable for him in the membership vote, particularly given a month long hustings. Mordaunt more so perhaps, as if you're on the right then there really isn't any especially good reason to vote for her over Sunak, but I don't necessarily think that Truss' right-wing posturing is the advantage that some assume it to be, given that the party membership has tended to back the more 'electable' candidate in past contests (with the exception of IDS vs Clarke in 2001).

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« Reply #459 on: July 20, 2022, 10:15:00 AM »

Another day, another ballot, another bizarre photo shoot by the 1922.


The 1922 Committee has their own servants?  How 1922 of them.
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« Reply #460 on: July 20, 2022, 10:17:54 AM »

My calculation:

Sunak: 132
Truss: 116
Mordaunt: 108


Reality:

Sunak: 137
Truss: 113
Mordaunt: 105

To me this suggests there was no funny business.

Tbh, whilst the polls for Sunak don't look great at the moment, I think both Truss and Mordaunt are eminently beatable for him in the membership vote, particularly given a month long hustings. Mordaunt more so perhaps, as if you're on the right then there really isn't any especially good reason to vote for her over Sunak, but I don't necessarily think that Truss' right-wing posturing is the advantage that some assume it to be, given that the party membership has tended to back the more 'electable' candidate in past contests (with the exception of IDS vs Clarke in 2001).

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« Reply #461 on: July 20, 2022, 11:08:43 AM »

Liz gives an honest assessment of what her 1st day as PM would be like

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« Reply #462 on: July 20, 2022, 11:16:12 AM »

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« Reply #463 on: July 20, 2022, 11:42:38 AM »

Does anyone take Cummings seriously any more, other than Cummings?
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« Reply #464 on: July 20, 2022, 12:06:23 PM »

He did another tweet about her and Hancock and I forgot about his feud with the latter! The old hits are the best.

It’s really lose and lose-if Sunak wins you’ve got someone who is close to being despised by the party base, and who imo will be giving Government jobs to some people who aren’t exactly team players.

If Truss wins it will be very easy to paint her as Bojo MK.2- out of depth, media obsessed and surrounded by lackies- especially when you have Rees-Mogg and Dorries still in the cabinet.

It would be remarkable if they go for Truss over Sunak because Sunak doesn’t believe in unfunded tax cuts- partly because he knows that he needs the revenue for public services and because he has one planned for 2024.

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« Reply #465 on: July 20, 2022, 12:12:46 PM »

It will be a very ugly campaign especially if Rishi’s campaign feel they need to go negative.

Early signs are they’re talking about electability- the issue is that Tory activists will believe Starmer is useless and anyone can beat him.
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« Reply #466 on: July 20, 2022, 12:45:28 PM »

PM Truss

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« Reply #467 on: July 20, 2022, 12:53:05 PM »

Not that we will ever find out, but how will the MPs vote in the membership ballot? I'd say Truss would get about 140-150.
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« Reply #468 on: July 20, 2022, 12:56:44 PM »

maybe I missed it, but has anyone explained why 'Partygate' hasn't been seen as disqualifying for Sunak?
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« Reply #469 on: July 20, 2022, 01:20:58 PM »

maybe I missed it, but has anyone explained why 'Partygate' hasn't been seen as disqualifying for Sunak?
Most Conservative MPs can’t talk about the issue given so few of them publicly saw it as disqualifying for Boris (and given Truss is backed by the Boris loyalists, her campaign is probably not going to talk about it). Boris’ breaking of the rules was seen as much more egregious and repetitious, so despite getting a fine Sunak has always been in a much less perilous position. It will feature in Labour attacks should he be elected, but more important will be his response to the cost of living crisis which has severely damaged his popularity with the general public and there’s no indication his approach will change (quite the opposite given his leadership campaign is prudent fiscal management followed by tax cuts).
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« Reply #470 on: July 20, 2022, 01:30:24 PM »

Truss reminds me a lot of the 'straight man' archetype in an old-fashioned comedy duo: she's extremely funny, but has no idea that she is and is all the funnier because of this.
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« Reply #471 on: July 20, 2022, 02:06:03 PM »

It will be a very ugly campaign especially if Rishi’s campaign feel they need to go negative.

Early signs are they’re talking about electability- the issue is that Tory activists will believe Starmer is useless and anyone can beat him.

Yes I'm not sure if electability will be a winning argument. The Conservatives have been in power for 12 years.
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« Reply #472 on: July 20, 2022, 02:40:06 PM »

The Lib Dems seem to have taken Truss’s advancement to the run-off with good humour.

Alistair Carmichael (MP for Orkney and Shetland) legitimately said this, this evening:
Has to be said that the "Liz Truss as long term sleeper agent to destroy the Conservatives from within" plan was one of our most inspired.”

Tim Farron (former party leader) also reposted Truss “hit the ground to be PM” tweet, with the party’s “Lib Dems winning here!” slogan.
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« Reply #473 on: July 20, 2022, 02:52:35 PM »

So Liz Truss will likely be the next PM, I'm just wondering if she flops hard enough will the Tories try to change leader again before the next election. Two years can be a long time.
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« Reply #474 on: July 20, 2022, 02:54:18 PM »

So Liz Truss will likely be the next PM, I'm just wondering if she flops hard enough will the Tories try to change leader again before the next election. Two years can be a long time.

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