Why are Republicans so obsessed with drag queens right now?

[afleitch]

Drag is not obscene or inherently sexual.  But that doesn't mean schools or public libraries should be putting on drag performances for young kids.

Moderate hero option?

I saw people in drag every Christmas as a kid. In theaters. In my school. How is reading a book in drag an inappropriate 'performance?' I'm really struggling to understand the American mindset here.

[T'Chenka]

If something is not happening outside a few bad apples than you should have no problem banning it cause by your definition not much would change. By calling the side who wants to ban it bigots then by definition you are implying your side has something to hide which is why the spin of "This isnt happening but you are a bigot if you oppose it" has failed miserably

Banning drag queen events would violate the First Amendment.

Sure if the ban applied to adults too. I think Porn for example should be banned for anyone under 18 as well

Porn is already banned for people under 18, isn't it?

[Torie]

Drag is not obscene or inherently sexual.  But that doesn't mean schools or public libraries should be putting on drag performances for young kids.

Moderate hero option?

I saw people in drag every Christmas as a kid. In theaters. In my school. How is reading a book in drag an inappropriate 'performance?' I'm really struggling to understand the American mindset here.

Performance art honey.

[7,052,770]

If something is not happening outside a few bad apples than you should have no problem banning it cause by your definition not much would change. By calling the side who wants to ban it bigots then by definition you are implying your side has something to hide which is why the spin of "This isnt happening but you are a bigot if you oppose it" has failed miserably

Banning drag queen events would violate the First Amendment.

Sure if the ban applied to adults too. I think Porn for example should be banned for anyone under 18 as well

Porn is already banned for people under 18, isn't it?

Probably depends on the location, but either way, I think it would be less enforceable than a gun ban.

[Thank you for being a friend...]

There's not one single aspect of "LGBTQ" that a conservative would like.  The entire existence of this community is something they abhor...  it's a religious conservative party, with a growing Christian nationalist and fundamentalist wing.  There's not going to be any support whatsoever of anything gay or queer or trans when you have a party like that.

As the country's LGBTQ population becomes even more politically active and less willing to accept politicians that constantly bash them on TV and in the media, there's a real clash that's going to happen with the Republican Party. 

Younger people in the Rainbow community are just becoming politically conscious now.  I learned this back in 2004 - the Republicans are the party of the opposition if you are LGBTQ.  That's just the way it is.  I've never ever been willing to support them because of it.  It's a one-party constituency really - more now than ever.  The Texas Republican Party represented the national party with their behavior this week.

[HillGoose]

to distract ppl from real issues in our society

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[Mr. Reactionary]

Dems are so insistent on dying on the hill of trans supremacy and drag shows. It’s amazing.

Ironic considering this literally wasn't even an issue in the first place until Republicans turned it into one.

This literally wasnt even an issue in the first place until wokists turned it into one by putting drag queens in the schools and libraries. A decade ago this wouldnt have been a concept. If you dont want people to react to what you do, then dont do it in the first place.

[HillGoose]

Dems are so insistent on dying on the hill of trans supremacy and drag shows. It’s amazing.

Ironic considering this literally wasn't even an issue in the first place until Republicans turned it into one.

This literally wasnt even an issue in the first place until wokists turned it into one by putting drag queens in the schools and libraries. A decade ago this wouldnt have been a concept. If you dont want people to react to what you do, then dont do it in the first place.

i have never seen a drag queen when i go to the library ? only at gay bars, fun events, highly recommend.

[Thank you for being a friend...]

The only drag queens I really remember seeing looked more like June Cleaver or Barbara Bush than anything scary or radical.  They're not Devil Worshippers for goodness sake... It is a performance of traditional femininity, not exactly a Marilyn Manson concert.

[Joe Republic]

Drag is not obscene or inherently sexual.  But that doesn't mean schools or public libraries should be putting on drag performances for young kids.

Moderate hero option?

I saw people in drag every Christmas as a kid. In theaters. In my school. How is reading a book in drag an inappropriate 'performance?' I'm really struggling to understand the American mindset here.

It would help if any Americans had heard of pantomimes.  I have, but perhaps it would help some of our stunted "drag = hardcore porn!!" acquaintances on here if they could perhaps be shown a few YouTube examples?

[Joe Republic]

Also I am enjoying how MrReactionary and PiT keep posting links to far-right articles about dIsGrAcEfUl!! drag show performances, as if any of them were written in good faith or with any kind of well-rounded understanding about drag culture.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Also I am enjoying how MrReactionary and PiT keep posting links to far-right articles about dIsGrAcEfUl!! drag show performances, as if any of them were written in good faith or with any kind of well-rounded understanding about drag culture.

At some point they’ll have to duke it out with the people who think actually only the Democrats care and Republicans love the LGBT community.

[Pres Mike]

Drag Queens have no place in schools or public libraries. I would support any bill that bans them.

If we had a local/state/national referendum I believe my stance would win even in the bluest of areas.

Yeah, this was a non issue until Republicans invented it. But they did so Democrats need to respond. Respond the right way that appeals to everyone. Not make jokes or side remarks on twitter and laugh at republicans. Suburban voters aren't laughing...

[DaleCooper]

Banning drag in a public library would absolutely be struck down in a 9-0 First Amendment case, or I guess 8-1 since Alito is a safe vote for whatever the partisan GOP stance is.

[Joe Republic]

Yes, it is the Republicans who are injecting sexualized burlesque cabaret adult entertainment into everything.

Drag performances can be sexually suggestive, but drag is not at all inherently sexual.

Since when? Ive never seen it described as NOT adult entertainment.

This is what I mean by the left dying on a very strange hill. It's true that "drag" in the most literal sense of cross-dressing is not at all inherently sexual, but we're not talking about Mrs. Doubtfire here. That's not the kind of drag that's being attacked or defended in these conversations. It's the burlesque, adult entertainment type of drag that we're talking about and everyone knows it.

Right, which as we both agree is a completely incorrect assessment.  The right don't even understand what they're complaining about, as Mr. R just admitted in that post.

It doesn't even make sense to me why we're defending it. It doesn't need to be advocated for at all. If parents want their kids to participate in the drag queen story hour then that's 100% their first amendment right. If that drives conservatives to suicide then so be it. Left-leaning politicians have no reason to defend it or comment on it in any way. It's beyond irrelevant and it gives conservatives an easy culture war win when they do.

In a different thread on a different subject, you said the following about a small group of fringe activists campaigning for something fairly irrelevant that could just as easily have been ignored:

"Every time an American institution caves to these people they come for more. Anyone who doesn't understand that hasn't been paying attention."

If I replace the term 'American institution' with 'society's acceptance of the LGBT community', then I'll turn this back to you.  Give these right-wing f-ckers an inch, they will take a mile.

[DaleCooper]

Yes, it is the Republicans who are injecting sexualized burlesque cabaret adult entertainment into everything.

Drag performances can be sexually suggestive, but drag is not at all inherently sexual.

Since when? Ive never seen it described as NOT adult entertainment.

This is what I mean by the left dying on a very strange hill. It's true that "drag" in the most literal sense of cross-dressing is not at all inherently sexual, but we're not talking about Mrs. Doubtfire here. That's not the kind of drag that's being attacked or defended in these conversations. It's the burlesque, adult entertainment type of drag that we're talking about and everyone knows it.

Right, which as we both agree is a completely incorrect assessment.  The right don't even understand what they're complaining about, as Mr. R just admitted in that post.

It doesn't even make sense to me why we're defending it. It doesn't need to be advocated for at all. If parents want their kids to participate in the drag queen story hour then that's 100% their first amendment right. If that drives conservatives to suicide then so be it. Left-leaning politicians have no reason to defend it or comment on it in any way. It's beyond irrelevant and it gives conservatives an easy culture war win when they do.

In a different thread on a different subject, you said the following about a small group of fringe activists campaigning for something fairly irrelevant that could just as easily have been ignored:

"Every time an American institution caves to these people they come for more. Anyone who doesn't understand that hasn't been paying attention."

If I replace the term 'American institution' with 'society's acceptance of the LGBT community', then I'll turn this back to you.  Give these right-wing f-ckers an inch, they will take a mile.

Whether or not Democrats make a show out of defending drag queen children's events has no impact on whether or not they happen. Universities refusing to cave to activists means that the activists don't get what they want.

You'll notice that when conservatives started demanding that we abolish free speech in order to get rid of this crap, I was the first to start arguing with them.

[Joe Republic]

Whether or not Democrats make a show out of defending drag queen children's events has no impact on whether or not they happen. Universities refusing to cave to activists means that the activists don't get what they want.

You'll notice that when conservatives started demanding that we abolish free speech in order to get rid of this crap, I was the first to start arguing with them.

Then you haven't been paying attention, if you think the right is planning to quit this latest bizarre crusade, and launch several more once they get away with it.  And propping up the First Amendment on this, as if the current SCOTUS will also do so, is really quite adorable.

[Joe Republic]

What impeccable timing to see this tweet!

https://twitter.com/washoelibrary/status/1539664525863034881?s=21

Unfortunately we're currently out of town, otherwise I'd love to take my 3 year old to this.

[DaleCooper]

Whether or not Democrats make a show out of defending drag queen children's events has no impact on whether or not they happen. Universities refusing to cave to activists means that the activists don't get what they want.

You'll notice that when conservatives started demanding that we abolish free speech in order to get rid of this crap, I was the first to start arguing with them.

Then you haven't been paying attention, if you think the right is planning to quit this latest bizarre crusade, and launch several more once they get away with it.  And propping up the First Amendment on this, as if the current SCOTUS will also do so, is really quite adorable.

I don't think they'll stop. Didn't I just say that I recognized the right's eagerness to use this to get rid of the First Amendment? That's why the left needs to stop f-cking around. None of the virtue signaling that the left has done over the past few years has accomplished anything other than making marginalized people look annoying or crazy and making conservatives look reasonable. If you think otherwise you haven't been paying attention.

I'd trade all the Democratic virtue signaling in the world for them to just govern professionally and effectively so that crazy conservatives aren't competitive in elections anymore. That's what counts, not "visibility" or "representation" or whatever the BS language leftwing snobs use these days.

[afleitch]

Hi.

What would you rather kids were exposed to? A drag queen reading stories.

Or this?

https://mobile.twitter.com/BrodyLevesque/status/1539792407704743939

[T'Chenka]

Hi.

What would you rather kids were exposed to? A drag queen reading stories.

Or this?

https://mobile.twitter.com/BrodyLevesque/status/1539792407704743939

Seeing cops help bigots to terrorize trans and/or drag people in public is an extremely effective way of normalizing hate and bigotry in a child, and is actually faster and more effective than trying to instill those values in the child all by yourself.

[Farmlands]

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2022/06/21/we-arent-going-anywhere-drag-queen-story-hour-forges-ahead-in-alameda-county/

Here's an article not from the right-wing blogosphere. In fact, it was being widely celebrated on Reddit. "The hips on the Drag Queen go swish-swish", seems like a good educational book to read to kids. Glad I don't live in Castro Valley.

[Joe Republic]

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2022/06/21/we-arent-going-anywhere-drag-queen-story-hour-forges-ahead-in-alameda-county/

Here's an article not from the right-wing blogosphere. In fact, it was being wildly celebrated on Reddit. "The hips on the Drag Queen go swish-swish", seems like a good educational book to read to kids. Glad I don't live in Castro Valley.

That was a good read.  Glad to see the haters lose, and in embarrassing style, as usual.  Thanks for sharing!

[afleitch]

https://www.eastbaytimes.com/2022/06/21/we-arent-going-anywhere-drag-queen-story-hour-forges-ahead-in-alameda-county/

Here's an article not from the right-wing blogosphere. In fact, it was being wildly celebrated on Reddit. "The hips on the Drag Queen go swish-swish", seems like a good educational book to read to kids. Glad I don't live in Castro Valley.

Have you ever dived into the world of 'Christian' children's books that talk about sin and excuse genocide? There's lovely pictures of course.