Posters with an unfair reputation?

[It’s so Joever]

Are there any posters here you think get a bad rep but actually are pretty good people and/or posters? For me I would say Joe Republic gets a bit much flack even though he is a pretty decent guy.

[PSOL]

The bulldogs—Badger, Joe Republic, T'Chenka to an extent, etc—get a lot of flak for pointing out how insane some of the insane s••• is spouted on here.

Matty, while an a-hole, is very much in touch with how to interpret reality electorally.

Most socialist or far-left posters behave much better than most here and cite reality better than most, Big A is a big one in that camp.

S019 has experienced immense bullying on this forum and the mod inaction on how bad it got back then was seriously bad. Others like him like centrist republican don’t get much flak, although that’s a good thing given it shows the forum matured.

Jimmie, while he has his hangups, was right on the nose in a sense in Virginia that most missed. I was especially an @$$hole to him in the aftermath from a rage high.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

ExtremeRepublican has a good reputation despite thinking LGBTQ+ people have a mental illness and that everyone not like him goes to hell (to the extent that Josef Mengele would but all the Jews he killed wouldn't).

I don't know why he's so beloved on a forum that's like 50% gay.

[John Dule]

S019 has experienced immense bullying on this forum and the mod inaction on how bad it got back then was seriously bad. Others like him like centrist republican don’t get much flak, although that’s a good thing given it shows the forum matured.

We don't bully him. We just point out that he is the type of person who-- if he caught his wife cheating on him with his best friend-- would be less angry about the betrayal than the violation of Covid quarantine.

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

shua gets a bad rap but I think he's genuinely one of the best right-of-center posters here, and since I'm the only member AFAIK who's met him in person, I feel like I know him better than most. I don't mind getting sh!t for it. I also have a pretty good relationship with fhtagn and Mr. R is one of my best friends here.

I've learned that often times it is better to not talk politics if it means risking the loss of a friend. I hold radically different views on certain issues from all three of those people but even those who are deeply invested in politics are more than where they stand on a certain topic.

(That's not to say there isn't a line to be crossed, as Pieman certainly did.)

[Badger]

ExtremeRepublican has a good reputation despite thinking LGBTQ+ people have a mental illness and that everyone not like him goes to hell (to the extent that Josef Mengele would but all the Jews he killed wouldn't).

I don't know why he's so beloved on a forum that's like 50% gay.

Without excusing extreme Republicans rampant homophobia and this sanctimonious faux religiosity he bases it on, I don't believe for one instant he or any member of his congregation believes Josef Mengele went to heaven. Yes, he and his congregation almost certainly to a person believe that any Jew who dies Goes to Hell, but let's not meaninglessly exaggerate.

There's enough about his views to have contempt for without inventing stuff.

[Mr. Smith]

OC is ripoff of t_host. It's false idol worship jao.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Alben Barkley. Like why did he have the absurd deluge named after him?

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

ExtremeRepublican has a good reputation despite thinking LGBTQ+ people have a mental illness and that everyone not like him goes to hell (to the extent that Josef Mengele would but all the Jews he killed wouldn't).

I don't know why he's so beloved on a forum that's like 50% gay.

Without excusing extreme Republicans rampant homophobia and this sanctimonious faux religiosity he bases it on, I don't believe for one instant he or any member of his congregation believes Josef Mengele went to heaven. Yes, he and his congregation almost certainly to a person believe that any Jew who dies Goes to Hell, but let's not meaninglessly exaggerate.

There's enough about his views to have contempt for without inventing stuff.

I asked him and instead of saying 'no' like a sane person he went into some rant about 'repenting your sins' or something.

[Badger]

Alben Barkley. Like why did he have the absurd deluge named after him?

This * 10. He's not even near the bottom half of the posters quality-wise. They're easily over 20 posters who have a vastly stronger claim to have the Deluge thread named after them.

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

Alben Barkley. Like why did he have the absurd deluge named after him?

He's improved a lot since then. The Bernie bashing and obsession with trans issues gets old though.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Oh yeah also GeneralMacArthur. The only real issue with him is he likes bad music.

[Badger]

Alben Barkley. Like why did he have the absurd deluge named after him?

He's improved a lot since then. The Bernie bashing and obsession with trans issues gets old though.

Actually, you are both correct.

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

Oh yeah also GeneralMacArthur. The only real issue with him is he likes bad music.

GMA recently stated he starts fights with people for the sake of it. That's why people don't like him.

Contrary to what some people say, Atlas is quite tolerant of people with diverse viewpoints. But deliberately being an asshole is a bad way to make friends.

[Schiff for Senate]

A bunch of posters, but some were already named and I can't think of the others right now.

OC is ripoff of t_host. It's false idol worship jao.

This. The cult of personality around him has gotten old and so has his schtick. Time to find someone new to worship (cough cough Bronz).

Oh yeah also GeneralMacArthur.

Yeah, gets way too much hate. A fairly solid poster.

Oh yeah also GeneralMacArthur. The only real issue with him is he likes bad music.

GMA recently stated he starts fights with people for the sake of it. That's why people don't like him.

Contrary to what some people say, Atlas is quite tolerant of people with diverse viewpoints. But deliberately being an asshole is a bad way to make friends.

Link?

[Badger]

Oh yeah also GeneralMacArthur. The only real issue with him is he likes bad music.

But deliberately being an asshole is a bad way to make friends.

Wut? 

Uh oh......

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

Oh yeah also GeneralMacArthur. The only real issue with him is he likes bad music.

GMA recently stated he starts fights with people for the sake of it. That's why people don't like him.

Contrary to what some people say, Atlas is quite tolerant of people with diverse viewpoints. But deliberately being an asshole is a bad way to make friends.

Link?

Oh I start fights with people because I love fighting

[Badger]

Oh yeah also GeneralMacArthur. The only real issue with him is he likes bad music.

GMA recently stated he starts fights with people for the sake of it. That's why people don't like him.

Contrary to what some people say, Atlas is quite tolerant of people with diverse viewpoints. But deliberately being an asshole is a bad way to make friends.

Link?

Oh I start fights with people because I love fighting

In all fairness, I wouldn't read too much into that single passing statement unless there's a lot more to the statement supporting this context. He might very well have simply been in a flippant mood when he posted that. Mac certainly speaks his mind as well he should, but he is far from among the most pugilistic posters on this forum. Trust me, I speak with first-hand knowledge of that.

[Schiff for Senate]

Oh yeah also GeneralMacArthur. The only real issue with him is he likes bad music.

GMA recently stated he starts fights with people for the sake of it. That's why people don't like him.

Contrary to what some people say, Atlas is quite tolerant of people with diverse viewpoints. But deliberately being an asshole is a bad way to make friends.

Link?

Oh I start fights with people because I love fighting

In all fairness, I wouldn't read too much into that single passing statement unless there's a lot more to the statement supporting this contacts. He might very well have simply been in a flippant mood when he posted that. Mac certainly speaks his mind as well he should, but he is far from among the most pugilistic posters on this forum. Trust me, I speak with first-hand knowledge of that.

Agreed on this completely.

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

Also, I can definitely attest to Joe Republic being a genuinely good person. I mean, if it weren't for him (and Nathan and Sanchez and countless other people), I wouldn't be alive today.

[T'Chenka]

RuneGhost and to a lesser extent PSOL get too much hate IMO.

BRTD spams things nobody cares about constantly but it doesn't hurt his reputation.

[Alben Barkley]

I actually deserved having the absurd thread being named after me at the time, as it came right after I got maybe the drunkest I've ever been on one Thanksgiving night and consequently went on an unhinged rant against John Dule of all people, who I now earnestly believe is maybe the best poster on this site.

I let that justified mark of shame stand for quite some time before requesting it be renamed, and it was swiftly, so I can't complain too much. I do appreciate the defenses though!

The trans stuff is blown way out of proportion though, I still believe that earnestly. I comment so much on the issue because I genuinely can't fully wrap my head around all aspects of it but I really WANT to understand it. Like it's a BIG leap to say that somebody can LITERALLY be the opposite sex as to what they were born as. I'm not so much dismissing the identities of transgender people, which I have repeatedly and demonstrably respected, as I am simply trying to understand why and how the whole thing works. I will admit I probably focus on it too much at times, but only because it comes up so damn often these days and every time it does I just can't help but probe the logic behind it.

At the end of the day, whether I understand it or not, I support the right of people to identify and present as who they want to. But I do have questions about whether children who we don't let buy cigarettes should be given life-changing drugs and surgeries, and serious issues with biological males competing in women's sports. I don't think these stances are remotely radical even among mainstream Democrats, frankly, even if they might be among parts of the online left. And overall I'm still way more pro-trans than the vast majority of Republicans. Part of my whole problem with this movement is that anyone who even questions anything is immediately treated with hostility like at best a bad faith actor and at worst some kind of spy for evil fascist Nazi bigots. If anything I'm trying to help some by saying that kind of approach is not going to help anyone politically. That sure as hell is not the successful road gay marriage activists took!

Anyway, as for the Bernie stuff? Well I'm not surprised people say I'm "better" or "improved" now that the primaries are a more distant memory lol. I have never actually hated Bernie either. I don't think he INTENTIONALLY got Donald Trump elected. But, well, he did. Intentionally or not, I'm never going to be happy about that. The data is undeniable; Hillary was extremely popular among Democrats and left-leaning voters RIGHT up until the moment Sanders started going hard on her, and every month he stayed in the race (even after it was very clear he had no chance of winning), he kept eating into that support and ultimately his voters for Trump alone (let alone the write-ins/Stein/non-voters) killed Hillary and f--ked us all. That's why I was butthurt about Bernie and still kinda am frankly. In 2020 I think simultaneously his campaign was actually worse (being as it was run by the likes of David Sirota, Nina Turner, and Brianna Joy Gray) AND better, because he DID bow out when necessary and much more passionately and convincingly got behind Biden than he ever did Hillary. Too little, too late? Perhaps. But better than nothing and I guess it worked in the end.

As for his actual views? I am certainly to his right, but not as much as many here would make me out to be. In general I think Bernie's views are ultimately bog standard "progressive" Dem, no matter how special and "independent" he makes himself out to be he's really not that different from say Ed Markey. But I am more hawkish, more pro-free market (especially when it comes to things like rent control), more gradualist vs. "revolutionary" (as I don't think our system can realistically accommodate the latter approach, for one thing), etc. It's not that I think Bernie's ideals are bad; I just think he was selling (largely young) people snake oil that he knew or SHOULD have known he could never deliver, and he obstructed maybe the most qualified candidate of all-time to do so, and ultimately accidentally handed the presidency to the LEAST qualified candidate of all-time in the process. Nothing wrong with striving for higher ideals. But a LOT wrong when you let that go so far it gets in the way of making any progress towards said ideals at all.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

People thinking Santader, Bronz and Olekwandi are hilarious trolls instead of idiots flinging poop onto the board

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

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I don't really care about the 2016/2020 primaries anymore and the trans debate is stupid but I'll put in my two cents on what you said:

1. Even Peebs would tell you she knows she will always be biologically male and perceived as male. That is part of the trans experience. Do some idiots say that surgery or hormones erases your biological past? Sure. But that's why Twitter is bad for your brain and you should do what we did before social media became the cancer that it is: ignore the lunatics.

2. Bernie Sanders did not cost Hillary Clinton the election. This simply is not how elections work. The onus is on the candidate to prove that they would make the better president, because even most voters regard elections and politics as an afterthought at the end of the day. The election came down to two controversial people who had little appeal beyond their base. Clinton failed to do so and Trump was slightly disliked less in the states he flipped. Why not blame Donna Brazile for dumping millions of dollars in non-competitive states like Louisiana and Illinois just to pad Clinton's PV margin? That's not how the game is played and she should have known better. And don't get me started about RBG.

It's very ironic to cast supporters of a candidate as political amateurs when you have galaxy brain takes about who is to blame for Hillary Clinton's own loss. And somehow HRC herself is never given due credit.

[T'Chenka]

People thinking Santader, Bronz and Olekwandi are hilarious trolls instead of idiots flinging poop onto the board

Santander is clever / intelligent.
Bronz is too, but he's also racist and/or has no sense of decency.