French political discussion megathread: Yellow Vest Redux

[lfromnj]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67378893

The far right but not far left joined an anti anti Semitic march.

[Estrella]

I am shocked that Jean-Luc “Jesus was killed by the Jews” Mélenchon did not participate.

[JimJamUK]

I am shocked that Jean-Luc “Jesus was killed by the Jews” Mélenchon did not participate.

“A few years ago, for a far-left party not to have been part of a march against antisemitism would have been unthinkable”

But is it?

[Oryxslayer]

What I'm seeing online is that people were discouraged from bringing any Israeli symbols, and they actually listened.  Just makes Melenchon look even more viscous when everyone has French flags and is talking about events domestically.

[Sir John Johns]

Joël Guerriau, a recently reelected senator from Loire-Atlantique for Horizons (Édouard Philippe’s party), has been indicted on suspicions he drugged a MoDem deputy with ecstasy when both stayed at the Parisian home of the senator, possibly as part of a plan to rape her. Police has reportedly indeed seized ecstasy in the home of the senator who, according to BFM TV, has additionally been tested positive to various illegal substances. Guerriau has been suspended from Horizons as well as from the LIRT centrist senatorial caucus.

[Antonio the Sixth]

What I'm seeing online is that people were discouraged from bringing any Israeli symbols, and they actually listened.  Just makes Melenchon look even more viscous when everyone has French flags and is talking about events domestically.

His excuse is that he's not going because Le Pen is going and he doesn't want to contribute to "normalizing" her. Of course the only thing he's actually achieving is further "un-normalizing" himself.

[Zinneke]

https://www.huffingtonpost.fr/politique/article/les-ecologistes-lancent-leur-campagne-des-europeennes-avec-une-booty-therapy-marine-tondelier-s-explique_226549.html

Good to see the French ecologists have a sense of priority when fascism is at the gates.

https://twitter.com/dobsky33/status/1731420629373464870

Gee I wonder why the Left is in decline with them and Mélenchon as main Spokespeople.

[lfromnj]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-lawmakers-seek-deal-tougher-migration-bill-2023-12-19/

Macron's party has negotiated a more right wing immigration bill after the first one failed. It is now sufficiently right wing enough that a few members from the left wing of Macron's party may vote no but it has gained Le Pens support. The normalization of Le Pen in French politics continues.

But, in order to gain support from the right, the government agreed to water down the residency permits measures, while delaying migrants' access to welfare benefits - including benefits for children and housing allocations - by several years.

[CumbrianLefty]

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-lawmakers-seek-deal-tougher-migration-bill-2023-12-19/

Macron's party has negotiated a more right wing immigration bill after the first one failed. It is now sufficiently right wing enough that a few members from the left wing of Macron's party may vote no but it has gained Le Pens support. The normalization of Le Pen in French politics continues.

Can't see how that could possibly go wrong, at all.

[lfromnj]

Looks like the bill passed thanks to votes from Le pen.

[lfromnj]

Seems like a small political crisis has started in France.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aur%C3%A9lien_Rousseau
Aurelian Rosseau who is the health minister has just offered his resignation in protest.
https://www.lemonde.fr/politique/live/2023/12/19/en-direct-projet-de-loi-immigration-l-assemblee-nationale-adopte-le-projet-de-loi-immigration-a-349-voix-pour-et-186-contre_6206507_823448.html#id-1276755
Borne hasn't said if she accepts it.

[wnwnwn]

What'a your opinion on  the inmigration bill?
Should it be discussed here or get its own thread?

[wnwnwn]

A debate would be do on if this bill destroys the french ideals of 1789 or if it helps to preserve them for the ethnic french.

[lfromnj]

What'a your opinion on  the inmigration bill?
Should it be discussed here or get its own thread?

There is some citizenship stripping added in which I oppose but other than it seems pretty good. There is actually some limited amnesty for sectors with a lack of labor. However it also restricts welfare and limits bringing whole families over.  The original bill was a much better deal for the left but they refused to work in the system unlike Le Pen. Le Pen didn't really negotiate the bill but if her party voted against it it would have failed. The bill was mostly negotiated by LR. In the end despite the fact it has limited amnesty Le Pen being a crucial vote bloc is a success for her. Restricting welfare is very good even if what was done is not enough. America's sink or swim environment forces migrants to actually work rather than live on welfare and refuse to integrate.

[Estrella]

TIL that Jacques Delors was still alive at 98. RIP. Also TIL that Martine Aubry is his daughter.

This is more of a UK politics thing, but I wonder how much truth is there to the idea that his 1988 speech to the TUC conference was what caused Thatcher to do 180 and become a die-hard Euroskeptic.

[CumbrianLefty]

TIL that Jacques Delors was still alive at 98. RIP. Also TIL that Martine Aubry is his daughter.

This is more of a UK politics thing, but I wonder how much truth is there to the idea that his 1988 speech to the TUC conference was what caused Thatcher to do 180 and become a die-hard Euroskeptic.

Her famous Bruges speech was just 12 days later, which suggests an obvious correlation. But she had been moving that way for the previous year or two, and said speech had been a while in the making.

[Blair]

TIL that Jacques Delors was still alive at 98. RIP. Also TIL that Martine Aubry is his daughter.

This is more of a UK politics thing, but I wonder how much truth is there to the idea that his 1988 speech to the TUC conference was what caused Thatcher to do 180 and become a die-hard Euroskeptic.

It’s often cited as a reason for the Labour movement becoming more pro EU

[President Johnson]

Borne out as prime minister.

https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1744410687118385332

[Zinneke]

Between Gérald Darmamin and Gérard Dépardieu, which sex pest will Macron pick I wonder?

[Cassius]

Between Gérald Darmamin and Gérard Dépardieu, which sex pest will Macron pick I wonder?

He’s picked a child (Gabriel Attal) instead.

Presumably he was chosen for being a loyalist who won’t overshadow Macron, whilst at the same time being young (34) and gay, so that the rejuvenation optics can be crowbarred in.

[Zinneke]

Between Gérald Darmamin and Gérard Dépardieu, which sex pest will Macron pick I wonder?

He’s picked a child (Gabriel Attal) instead.

Presumably he was chosen for being a loyalist who won’t overshadow Macron, whilst at the same time being young (34) and gay, so that the rejuvenation optics can be crowbarred in.

Sadly this privately educated establishment stooge is what the powers that be will call renewal. He'll end up at the Tony Blair institute like Marin.

[CumbrianLefty]

Must say that I am a bit disappointed with her there, ngl.

[Zinneke]

Must say that I am a bit disappointed with her there, ngl.

What to expect from a Davos "young leader"

These people are just young hottie actors while the real oligarchs screw us over. Marin and Arden were for the YAAASSS QUEEEEEEEN crowd and Attal is for the aesthetic aspirational gays. It's all prepared.

If Attal's husband Séjourné is humiliated in the European elections though it might be the final act of Macronismo/BFM TV-thought.

[President Johnson]

France really has a weird political system. Especially the prime minister's role, even compared to other semi-presidential systems such as Ukraine. I think they should either switch to a parliamentary system or a full presidential system.

[Zinneke]

Attal has his boyfriend Stéphane Séjourné as Foreign Minister. It's very much a sign that Macron doesn't give a sh**t anymore, he just wants his close circle given nice positions. He's going out with a whimper.