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« on: May 16, 2022, 07:38:56 PM »
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Emmanuel Macron has named a new Prime Minister, in Labor Minister Elisabeth Borne.

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Centrist politician Elisabeth Borne was appointed France’s new prime minister on Monday, becoming only the second woman in history to hold the post.

Borne, 61, the labor minister in French President Emmanuel Macron’s previous government, succeeds Jean Castex, whose resignation on Monday was expected after Macron’s reelection last month to a second five-year term.

Borne spoke soon after her appointment, noting the emotions she felt at being selected for the highest office a woman has ever held in French political leadership.

“I would like to dedicate this nomination to all the little girls by telling them ‘Go after your dreams!’ Nothing should stop the fight for the place of women in our society,” she said.

Macron and Borne are expected to appoint a new French government in the coming days.

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« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2022, 07:32:18 AM »

Is she ex-PS like her boss?
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« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2022, 07:42:37 AM »


Yep. She hasn't held any elected office, though. She was Ségolène's private secretary and then head of RATP, the Paris public transport corporation. A vaguely liberal management type, a perfect fit for Macron.
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« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2022, 02:55:30 PM »

Shall we start at the beginning. Éric Piolle, mayor of Grenoble, allows women to go to to public swimming pools wearing a burkini. The political-media class has a meltdown; the LR Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes president Laurent Wauquiez announced the suspension of all funding for the city of Grenoble.

But also, the French actually put signs like this up at their swimming pools


why are they like this??
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2022, 03:01:26 AM »

Shall we start at the beginning. Éric Piolle, mayor of Grenoble, allows women to go to to public swimming pools wearing a burkini. The political-media class has a meltdown; the LR Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes president Laurent Wauquiez announced the suspension of all funding for the city of Grenoble.

But also, the French actually put signs like this up at their swimming pools


why are they like this??

I honestly preferred Rufin's stance than Piolle, who revived this for purely internal political reasons because he realised Rousseau's hyperwoke wing of the party has to be won over.

https://blogs.mediapart.fr/jacquesaura/blog/160522/francois-ruffin-burkini-jen-ai-vraiment-rien-secouer

How in god's name does it benefit the NUPES to revive this issue and play a game of chicken with a cucked politician like Wauquiez?
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« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2022, 09:22:56 AM »

Living in Grenoble for a few months i could follow it a bit closer, im not sure Piolle is trying any kind of 'gain' here, im not particularly a fan of the guy at all levels but i pretty much like how he handles it in a very cool and simple manner

Everybody should bath the way they wish as long as security is concerns

As he said, come topless, come covered, whatever ur concern is, personal, medical, religious, else

And such a peacefull way to put it and not to bend about it in the total cultural insanity we are crossing feels gooooood, yeah

Also, official debate took place few days ago here, he broke his majority amongst Greens on this, approval was short

Whats utterly astounding is that...THAT...became the biggest topic of this campaign so far, along with how Mélenchon would in fact be worse than Le Pen, worse than Putin too maybe? Nothing else matters apparently

And to be fair, besides Mélenchon and friends, nobody is really campaigning

Oh, and, if u like signs, here are the new ones in Grenoble:

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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2022, 10:07:36 AM »



Macron replaces minister of Edu. Previously occupied by a 'anti-woke' rightist, now the position would be held by a historian who is a expert on racism in the West.
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2022, 01:49:45 PM »

It wasn't just a replacement, it's a new government.

Full deets:

Economy and finance: Bruno Le Maire (ex-LR), keeps his job
Interior: Gérald Darmanin (ex-LR), keeps his job (unfortunately)
Foreign affairs and Europe: Catherine Colonna (DVD), French ambassador to the UK since 2019. Career diplomat who served in the Villepin government as junior minister for European affairs, and as spokesperson of the presidency under Chirac (1995-2004).
Justice: Éric Dupond-Moretti, keeps his job, surprisingly as most assumed he was leaving
Ecological transition and territorial cohesion: Amélie de Montchalin (LREM, ex-LR), gets a big promotion from her previous job as public service minister since 2020. Liberal technocrat and former whip of the LREM parliamentary group until entering cabinet in 2019. A big promotion which makes her, with Borne (who as PM is also in charge of environmental and energy planning), lead for the environmental files that FBM has promised to prioritize or something.
Education: Pap Ndiaye (DVG), the big surprise and 'wow factor' of the government. Historian, specialist of racial relations. Very much a sea change from Blanquer and his horrendous obsession with wokism/islamo-leftism, so actually a good choice.
Armies: Sébastien Lecornu (LREM, ex-LR), gets a promotion from the overseas ministry he'd held since 2020. Not sure if he's exactly popular overseas for a whole lot of reasons, but he's well liked in the macronista galaxy.
Health: Brigitte Bourguignon (LREM, ex-PS), gets a promotion from a junior minister title she got in 2020.
Labour and 'full employment': Olivier Dusspot (LREM, ex-PS), the former PS defector gets a promotion after being secretary of state (2017-2020) and junior minister for public accounts (2020-2022). Is also president of Territoires de progrès which is the 'left-wing' satellite party in the macronista galaxy. Faces a corruption investigation.
Solidarities and autonomy: Damien Abad (ex-LR), the latest guy poached from LR: was deputy for Ain-5 since 2012 and president of the LR group since 2019. Was widely expected to join the government.
Higher education and research: Sylvie Retailleau (ind.), 'civil society' newcomer, physicist who was president of the Paris-Saclay university since 2020. Replaces Frédérique Vidale, who had been there for 5 years, and who like Blanquer at national education was also obsessed with islamo-leftist nonsense and was the one who ordered some sort of 'study' on islamo-leftism in universities (and then we still wonder why Panzergirl does well). Seems like a blanket clean-up of education portfolios with the ousting of the woke-obsessed incompetents.
Agriculture: Marc Fesneau (MoDem), low-profile MoDem cadre who had been minister for parliamentary relations since 2018 gets a promotion. Flies under the radar but is well liked in the macronista galaxy.
Transformation and public service: Stanislas Guerini (LREM, ex-PS), more famous as 'the random guy who happened to be the official leader of LREM' (since 2018). Both a mini-promotion but also a way to get him out of the party after his controversial comments initially defending the LREM candidacy of a wife-beater in Dordogne.
Overseas: Yaël Braun-Pivet (LREM, ex-PS). LREM deputy for Yvelines-5 since 2017.
Culture: Rima Abdul Malak (LREM, ex-DVG). Cultural adviser to the president since 2019 and cultural attaché at the embassy in the US (2014-2018).
Energy transition: Agnès Pannier-Runacher (LREM), gets a small promotion after being junior minister for industry since 2020.
Sports: Amélie Oudéa-Castéra (ind.), former tennis player

Junior ministers:

Parliamentary relations and democracy: Olivier Véran (LREM), a surprising demotion for Véran who had been health minister throughout the entire pandemic.
Gender equality and equality of opportunities: Isabelle Rome, author and magistrate who had been a senior official in the justice ministry in charge of gender equality since 2018.
Public accounts: Gabriel Attal (LREM), spokesperson of the government since 2020 and media-proclaimed rising star of macronismo.
Territorial collectivities: Christophe Béchu (Horizons, ex-LR). Béchu is the mayor of Angers since 2014 and a well-implanted local politician in Maine-et-Loire (he was general councillor, MEP, senator, president of the general council, regional councillor). He left LR in 2017 and supported the LREM list in the 2019 Euros.
Foreign trade: Franck Riester (Agir), keeps his job.
Europe: Clément Beaune (LREM), was secretary of state for European affairs so gets a protocol boost.

Secretaries of state:

Spokesperson of the government: Olivia Grégoire (LREM), was previously secretary of state for the social economy (2020-2022) and deputy for Paris-12 (2017-2020). Was in a relationship with Manuel Valls for a few months in 2018.
Sea: Justine Benin, deputy for Guadeloupe-2 since 2017 (elected as DVG, sat with the MoDem). Is the only member of the government from the overseas regions.
Childhood: Charlotte Caubel, was a senior official in the justice ministry in charge of legal protection of children.
Intl. development and Francophonie: Chrysoula Zacharopoulou (LREM), Greek-born MEP.

Besides the promotions and demotions here, there's a few departures from government: Blanquer, Vidal, Barbara Pompili (was ecological transition minister), Jean-Yves Le Drian (foreign minister, who has been in governments since 2012!), agriculture minister Julien Denormandie, defence minister Florence Parly, culture minister Roselyne Bachelot, seas minister Annick Girardin, Emmanuelle Wargon, Geneviève Darrieussecq, Marlène Schiappa. Some were expected retirements, like Bachelot and Parly. Denormandie is a surprise since there was speculation he was being considered for PM, but he announced he's withdrawing from politics for now (still doesn't mean he wasn't fired). Others like Blanquer, Vidal, Schiappa feel like definite firings for me.
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« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2022, 11:11:44 AM »



Macron replaces minister of Edu. Previously occupied by a 'anti-woke' rightist, now the position would be held by a historian who is a expert on racism in the West.

Thats effectively the main shift in this government, rest is mostly continuity, still more classissism Macron style

Choosing a guy like this in our insane cultural inflamable context is kind of like throwing a glass of water in a pan full full of hot oil

Not sure yet if it's a matter of conviction, it would be a 180° compared to Blanquer, so quick change of convictions, something to make the 'Right' mad and always further than far, maybe making them lose their mind, trying to annoy a bit NUPES, picking someone they wouldnt really oppose

Also, the new spokewoman doesnt look like the most diplomatic person, which can be important when u had a look at last years here, but well, let's see ^^
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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2022, 12:29:25 PM »

Shall we start at the beginning. Éric Piolle, mayor of Grenoble, allows women to go to to public swimming pools wearing a burkini. The political-media class has a meltdown; the LR Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes president Laurent Wauquiez announced the suspension of all funding for the city of Grenoble.

But also, the French actually put signs like this up at their swimming pools


why are they like this??

i'm surprised they allow trunks, I thought France was a speedos only land.
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2022, 04:15:26 PM »

Solidarities and autonomy: Damien Abad (ex-LR), the latest guy poached from LR: was deputy for Ain-5 since 2012 and president of the LR group since 2019. Was widely expected to join the government.

Looks like he is already on the way out as Mediapart has revealed two women have accused him of sexual assaults that took place respectively in 2010 and 2011. Two complaints have been filed against him on 2012 and 2017 by one of the women, who also claimed having been drugged during a drink with Abad in a bar. Both complaints were however shelved. A report on Abad’s presumed rape acts has been sent to LR and Renaissance on mid-May by the Observatory for sexist and sexual violence in politics, an organization born out of the French #MeToo. Neither LR nor Renaissance bothered to answer and so was Macron who has, remember, made gender equality a ‘big cause’ of his presidency.

Abad is denying the accusations but the general secretary of LR is now admitting Abad had ‘a strange behavior’ with women and having discussed with him after testimonies of improper behavior with female collaborators.

Suffering from arthrogryposis, Abad is wrongly presented in most French medias as ‘the first disabled deputy’ (Georges Couthon and Élie Bloncourt beg to disagree) but highlights his disability to dismiss the rape accusations.

This came a dozen of days after the criticisms against LFI coming from both LR and Renaissance about the candidacy of Taha Bouhafs who had to withdraw over allegation of sexual assault (in that same constituency, Renaissance however renominated the incumbent deputy, Yves Blein, himself investigated for sexual harassment). Well at least, TV pundits will now something else to discuss than the alleged 'wokism' and 'racialism' of Pap Ndiaye.
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2022, 04:18:34 PM »



Macron replaces minister of Edu. Previously occupied by a 'anti-woke' rightist, now the position would be held by a historian who is a expert on racism in the West.
Dear god... Truly someone who will Work to destroy France from inside by teaching children how much they should hate their countries because the cops actually do their job of arresting the criminals like the traore
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« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2022, 07:50:10 AM »

Solidarities and autonomy: Damien Abad (ex-LR), the latest guy poached from LR: was deputy for Ain-5 since 2012 and president of the LR group since 2019. Was widely expected to join the government.

Looks like he is already on the way out as Mediapart has revealed two women have accused him of sexual assaults that took place respectively in 2010 and 2011. Two complaints have been filed against him on 2012 and 2017 by one of the women, who also claimed having been drugged during a drink with Abad in a bar. Both complaints were however shelved. A report on Abad’s presumed rape acts has been sent to LR and Renaissance on mid-May by the Observatory for sexist and sexual violence in politics, an organization born out of the French #MeToo. Neither LR nor Renaissance bothered to answer and so was Macron who has, remember, made gender equality a ‘big cause’ of his presidency.

Abad is denying the accusations but the general secretary of LR is now admitting Abad had ‘a strange behavior’ with women and having discussed with him after testimonies of improper behavior with female collaborators.

Suffering from arthrogryposis, Abad is wrongly presented in most French medias as ‘the first disabled deputy’ (Georges Couthon and Élie Bloncourt beg to disagree) but highlights his disability to dismiss the rape accusations.

This came a dozen of days after the criticisms against LFI coming from both LR and Renaissance about the candidacy of Taha Bouhafs who had to withdraw over allegation of sexual assault (in that same constituency, Renaissance however renominated the incumbent deputy, Yves Blein, himself investigated for sexual harassment). Well at least, TV pundits will now something else to discuss than the alleged 'wokism' and 'racialism' of Pap Ndiaye.

Apparently they are keeping him as long as Justice doesnt come with something, thats weird that he wasnt at least privately asked to withdraw in order to 'make the light on it' instead of throwing the dark on the new govt

Also, checked a bit the 1st intervention of the new spokeswoman, as appealing as a jail gate, and i dont mean physically at all, fully old school UMP style, im not even blaming her, it was her 1st, and that would just be her style, just not really sure it was the best choice to make nowadays...

Dunno what this govt will be able to manage, but clearly doesnt start on the best notes

Shall we start at the beginning. Éric Piolle, mayor of Grenoble, allows women to go to to public swimming pools wearing a burkini. The political-media class has a meltdown; the LR Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes president Laurent Wauquiez announced the suspension of all funding for the city of Grenoble.

But also, the French actually put signs like this up at their swimming pools


why are they like this??

i'm surprised they allow trunks, I thought France was a speedos only land.

Oh, whats the reference about it?

The speedo was already a shame at least when i was in high school, and well, thats some tiiime now already
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« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2022, 10:05:02 AM »

I dont know if that's the pretty hot weather here, and still more in Grenoble, but the news are really 'swimmy poolie'...

https://www.franceinter.fr/societe/mal-a-l-aise-dans-les-piscines-municipales-ces-femmes-musulmanes-choisissent-de-louer-chez-des-particuliers

It's about a trend showing that more and more Muslim women rent some private swimming pools cause they dont feel comfortable in public ones

Besides the fact that it's cosier, and well, a bit more expensive as well, then maybe not for everybody, thats what u could get in bigger numbers if u increase the cultural restrictions and discriminations for no actual reason besides, well, discrimination

U want everybody the same then u'll force people to separate still more, congrats to all those who do it for the 'unity of the nation'

We'll just have to wait to see some professional/clandestine but anyways private Muslim pools to pop up now i guess...
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« Reply #14 on: May 27, 2022, 11:10:12 AM »

The Former President of the Louvre was charged in an artifact trafficking case.

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The former president of the Louvre museum in Paris has been charged with conspiring to hide the origin of archaeological treasures that may have been taken out of Egypt during the Arab spring uprisings, in a case that has shocked the world of antiquities.

Jean-Luc Martinez was charged this week after he was taken in by police for questioning, a French judicial source told Agence France-Presse. Martinez ran the Paris Louvre, the most visited museum in the world, from 2013-21.

Martinez, who stepped down as the Louvre’s president last year, serves as an ambassador for international cooperation in the field of heritage. The case threatens to embarrass the French culture ministry and ministry for foreign affairs.

Two French specialists in Egyptian art were also questioned this week but released without charge.

The case was opened in July 2018, two years after the Louvre Abu Dhabi bought a rare pink granite stele depicting the pharaoh Tutankhamun and four other ancient works for €8m (£6.8m).

Martinez has been charged with complicity in fraud and “concealing the origin of criminally obtained works by false endorsement”, a judicial source confirmed to AFP. A report in Le Canard enchaîné (the Chained Duck) investigative weekly said this could have involved turning a blind eye to fake certificates of origin for the pieces, a fraud thought to involve several other art experts.



Martinez has been charged with complicity in fraud and “concealing the origin of criminally obtained works by false endorsement”, a judicial source confirmed to AFP.
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« Reply #15 on: May 29, 2022, 11:51:16 AM »

Just a little thing since the whole govt has been posted here, it's something that was underlined by an economical journalist that hadnt even striked me nor a lot of other journalists since i had never heard it being mentionned, but, in this whole govt, and unlike in most if not all preceding govts during the, maybe the 2 to 3 last decades, there is just...nothing dedicated to...Housing!!

Which is terrible when u see that mostly the whole political debates very recently were about 'level of life'/'buying power' (i dont remember the usual terms in English, but u would get the point) and that Housing, both public and private is a very big issue in France and is by far what takes the most place in the 'cost of living'!

And i dont even speak about the conditions to access to it, both for renting and buying which are becoming always more insanely complicated

They focus on trying to distribute whatever checks they can imagine against inflation to deal with that issue of cost, since they cant do much against inflation anyways, this would mostly take place in Frankfurt if anything, and planning nothing significant to deal with the one major cost issue on which they could actually do something!

It's like u have an elephant wandering in a porcelain shop, destroying here and there, nobody in charge in the shop caring about it, but that shop would have the generosity to give u a bit of glue with ur porcelain, great ^^

They might correct it after elections, but the 'Great Plan for the Cost of Life' was supposed to take place as soon as now, in order to, well, prepare elections...
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« Reply #16 on: May 29, 2022, 01:46:04 PM »

Shall we start at the beginning. Éric Piolle, mayor of Grenoble, allows women to go to to public swimming pools wearing a burkini. The political-media class has a meltdown; the LR Auvergne-Rhône-Alpes president Laurent Wauquiez announced the suspension of all funding for the city of Grenoble.

But also, the French actually put signs like this up at their swimming pools


why are they like this??
the French actually allowed English on there signs?
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2022, 09:05:00 AM »
« Edited: May 30, 2022, 09:13:00 AM by Zinneke »

Darmamin is trying to cause a diplomatic spat with the UK blaming Liverpool fans because his broken excuse for a police force couldn't police the Champions League final adequately. Meanwhile Seine-St-Denis supposedly the land of milk and honey the European Left should strive for according to LFI types again showed itself up as an utter ghetto.

Lessons need to be learned on both sides before the Rugby World Cup and Olympics.
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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2022, 02:33:49 PM »

A climate activist in a wig attempted to throw a cake at the Mona Lisa.

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The Mona Lisa was the subject of attempted vandalism on Sunday when a visitor to the world-famous Louvre museum in Paris smeared frosting all over the Renaissance-era painting's protective glass.

The man, who appeared to wear a wig in videos of the incident shared on social media, approached the painting in a wheelchair before throwing a piece of cake at the artwork, according to a statement from the Louvre. Videos of the aftermath show him on foot with a wheelchair nearby.

"A visitor simulated a disability in order to use a wheelchair to approach the work, which was installed in a secure display case. The Louvre applied its usual procedures for people with reduced mobility, allowing them to admire this major work of art," the statement noted.

"While standing near the painting, this individual threw a pastry he had hidden in his personal belongings at the Mona Lisa's glass case. This act had no effect on the painting, which was not damaged in any way."

A spokesperson clarified that visitors in wheelchairs are allowed to move in front of other museum-goers to better see the work.

The man, 36, was arrested and taken to a psychiatric infirmary in the police headquarters, according to the Paris prosecutor's office. An investigation has been opened by the prosecutor for "the attempt of damaging a cultural property." The Louvre has filed a complaint.

In a video published by a museum-goer on Twitter, the man is heard saying in French, "Think of planet Earth, there are people destroying it," while security escorts the man, with rose petals scattered on the floor of the museum.

Another video of the scene shows a staff member cleaning the icing from the glass.
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« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2022, 03:15:01 PM »

French diplomats are going on strike for the first time in twenty years.

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French diplomats will go on strike for the first time in 20 years on Thursday in protest against a perceived lack of recognition and reforms pushed by the president that they say could damage France’s global standing.

The action won support from 500 foreign ministry civil servants in a newspaper opinion piece and has seen widespread backing from senior diplomats and ambassadors on social media.

The strike comes at a bad time for President Emmanuel Macron, with France holding the European Union presidency until the end of June, as he seeks to play a leading role in the bloc’s response to Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine and looks for fresh impetus to his new presidential mandate.

Public sector reforms will see the diplomatic career structure change, including scrapping a special status for senior foreign ministry officials, meaning they would fall into a broader civil service pool.

“The reform of the senior civil service is the latest attack on our professions, our expertise, our future,” said a strike notice for June 2 sent by unions.

“This reform reflects an incomprehensible desire to undermine our ministry and risks permanently weakening our country’s ability to project and defend itself in the world.”


Ministry officials have played down the effect, and in a statement on May 19, Ministry Spokeswoman Anne Claire Legendre said solid guarantees had been obtained to preserve the diplomatic profession and careers.

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« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2022, 02:58:24 PM »

The word "woke" has made it into the dictionary. Strangely, the usual crows who lose their nut at every single anglicism obtaining such validation don't seem to be worried this time. Especially when compared to "iel" which is a morphologically french word to begin with.

Wonder why this might be? Perhaps because it is a word our fervent defenders of the purity of the language have imported themselves? hmm
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« Reply #21 on: June 02, 2022, 03:27:44 PM »

The word "woke" has made it into the dictionary. Strangely, the usual crows who lose their nut at every single anglicism obtaining such validation don't seem to be worried this time. Especially when compared to "iel" which is a morphologically french word to begin with.

Wonder why this might be? Perhaps because it is a word our fervent defenders of the purity of the language have imported themselves? hmm

I'm sad we never saw the Académie Française propose "éveillisme" as the proper French translation for "wokism". That would have been fun.
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« Reply #22 on: June 02, 2022, 03:30:22 PM »

The word "woke" has made it into the dictionary. Strangely, the usual crows who lose their nut at every single anglicism obtaining such validation don't seem to be worried this time. Especially when compared to "iel" which is a morphologically french word to begin with.

Wonder why this might be? Perhaps because it is a word our fervent defenders of the purity of the language have imported themselves? hmm

I'm sad we never saw the Académie Française propose "éveillisme" as the proper French translation for "wokism". That would have been fun.

I think they realised that they could never beat suggesting "acolyte des illustres" for "follower" and decided to quit while on top.
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« Reply #23 on: June 21, 2022, 06:39:04 PM »

The French Burkini ban was upheld in court.

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rance's highest administrative court has upheld a ban on full-body "burkini" swimsuits in public pools, rejecting an appeal by the city of Grenoble.

Last month, Grenoble authorised all swimwear, including burkinis, sparking a legal battle with the government.

Burkinis are worn largely by Muslim women as a way of preserving modesty and upholding their faith.

But the court said it could not allow "selective exceptions to the rules to satisfy religious demands".

The dispute went all the way to the Council of State after a local court in Grenoble suspended the ban on the grounds that it seriously undermined the principle of neutrality in public services.

Interior Minister Gérald Darmanin also weighed in, describing the policy as an "unacceptable provocation" that was contrary to French secular values.
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« Reply #24 on: June 21, 2022, 06:44:18 PM »

Following his party's loss of their parlimentary majority, Macron has rejected the resignation of Elisabeth Borne as Prime Minister.

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French President Emmanuel Macron has rejected a resignation offer from Prime Minister Elisabeth Borne before talks with the opposition seeking to end the deadlock sparked by his failure to secure a majority in parliamentary elections.

The development came on Tuesday as Macron was due to host far-right leader Marine Le Pen and other political party chiefs for rare talks at the Elysee Palace as he seeks solutions to an unprecedented situation that risks plunging his second term into crisis two months after it began.
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