Has the Biden administration created more jobs than it's lost?

[GeneralMacArthur]

The correct answer is yes, the Biden administration has created millions of jobs and unemployment is at historic lows.

But a majority of Americans believe the opposite.  No wonder Biden is struggling so much on "the economy" -- voters literally believe the opposite of his main accomplishment.

The media has a lot to answer for.

https://twitter.com/danpfeiffer/status/1517123796884332545?s=21&t=92UG1LQJFt...

[Sestak]

But a majority of Americans believe the opposite.

The graphic that you linked does not say this. On the contrary, it indicates that more Americans believe this statement than the opposite. It's only this cherry picked "economically persuadable" category that this poll completely made up - if you'll note the fine print it's a subset of voters who already disapprove of Biden on the economy where they get this data point from; if you'll note this group seems to be selected such that even Republicans don't show as much of a skew.

[Del Tachi]

Oh, boo-hoo!  Democratic perceptions of Trump's pre-Covid economy were similarly negative despite record-setting personal income growth and low unemployment.  In going beyond the BLS topline figures, Democrats' dissident position on Trump's economy was "nuanced" while any criticism of Biden's economic performance is part of a dangerous "misinformation ecosystem."  The double-standard is the only story to see here.  Get a grip.   

[BlueSwan]

But a majority of Americans believe the opposite.

The graphic that you linked does not say this. On the contrary, it indicates that more Americans believe this statement than the opposite. It's only this cherry picked "economically persuadable" category that this poll completely made up - if you'll note the fine print it's a subset of voters who already disapprove of Biden on the economy where they get this data point from; if you'll note this group seems to be selected such that even Republicans don't show as much of a skew.

Sure, the point is exaggerated, but it still tells us a lot about hos ill-informed the US public is. I mean, it is not exactly a close call. Job growth has been absolutely massive over the last 12 months and only 30% even think that more jobs were created than lost. That. Is. Bad.

[BlueSwan]

Oh, boo-hoo!  Democratic perceptions of Trump's pre-Covid economy were similarly negative despite record-setting personal income growth and low unemployment.  In going beyond the BLS topline figures, Democrats' dissident position on Trump's economy was "nuanced" while any criticism of Biden's economic performance is part of a dangerous "misinformation ecosystem."  The double-standard is the only story to see here.  Get a grip.   

Back that claim up with data.

While I am sure that some dems held illusions about the Trump economy, what we are seeing here is a very particular claim regarding job creation, where the public is just flat-out ill-informed.

[Person Man]

Oh, boo-hoo!  Democratic perceptions of Trump's pre-Covid economy were similarly negative despite record-setting personal income growth and low unemployment.  In going beyond the BLS topline figures, Democrats' dissident position on Trump's economy was "nuanced" while any criticism of Biden's economic performance is part of a dangerous "misinformation ecosystem."  The double-standard is the only story to see here.  Get a grip.   

They were not. Granted, they weren't as good as Republicans, but those perceptions were not bad.

[Former President tack50]

Oh, boo-hoo!  Democratic perceptions of Trump's pre-Covid economy were similarly negative despite record-setting personal income growth and low unemployment.  In going beyond the BLS topline figures, Democrats' dissident position on Trump's economy was "nuanced" while any criticism of Biden's economic performance is part of a dangerous "misinformation ecosystem."  The double-standard is the only story to see here.  Get a grip.   

Tbh the Trump economy was outstandingly good. The issue is:

A) The hard work was done under the Obama administration. Trump just went into cruise control on the economic front for 3 years.

B) The only big economic measure Trump did (stimulus tax cuts) was counterintuitive. Economic policy is meant to be countercyclical. Ie you should do stimulus when the economy is in recession (which Trump, to his credit, did indeed do during covid) and cuts/higher taxes when the economy is booming. Tax cuts in 2017 were a bad idea imo.

[President Johnson]

Joe Biden is the greatest jobs president that god ever created.

[Big Abraham]

No, because neither neoliberal politicians nor capitalists are "job creators."

In the pandemic, billionaires increased their wealth by 55%. Unemployment is higher now than it was in February 2020, but no serious person would laud the Trump admin of 2017-20 for "job creation."

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Oh, boo-hoo!  Democratic perceptions of Trump's pre-Covid economy were similarly negative despite record-setting personal income growth and low unemployment.  In going beyond the BLS topline figures, Democrats' dissident position on Trump's economy was "nuanced" while any criticism of Biden's economic performance is part of a dangerous "misinformation ecosystem."  The double-standard is the only story to see here.  Get a grip.  

Trump passed the LARGEST TAX CUT FOR MILLIONAIRE THAT WHAT FD WERE COMPLAINING ABOUT, AT LEAST Biden HASNT PASSED TAX CUTS, WARREN SAID IF DS WIN MIDTERMS THERE WILL BE AN EVENTUAL WEALTH TAX, EVEN IF WE LOSE IN 22 WE CAN WIN IN 24

The Rs won't have a 24o H and a Filibuster proof Senate

RS haven't raised the minimum wage since 2006 because Boehner blocked it while Obama was President

[GregTheGreat657]

Yes, but only because of gaining back jobs lost due to COVID lockdowns

[7,052,770]

Yes, but only because of gaining back jobs lost due to COVID lockdowns

Yes, every economic rebound gains jobs lost in the last downturn, right?

[Alben Barkley]

The media has a lot to answer for? You know who else does, much more in fact? The Biden Administration and the Democratic Party for their terrible, terrible messaging. Some presidents like FDR and Reagan could sell even mediocre to bad times as successes of their administrations. This one can’t even sell a lay-up as a positive accomplishment. And it’s partly because much of the woke activist wing of the party, which is disproportionately prominent, influential, and vocal in Democratic politics and national media, would seemingly much prefer to talk about divisive culture war issues over boasting about economic accomplishments. These idiots are going to ruin the party and be the ones most responsible for the shellacking in November. I’m just hoping people realize that after the fact and purge the party of them so it doesn’t happen again. Temporary pain for long-term gain is our best hope at this point.

[dead0man]

Blaming (or giving credit to) the current sitting POTUS on the current state of the economy is a fools game.

[Alben Barkley]

Blaming (or giving credit to) the current sitting POTUS on the current state of the economy is a fools game.

Maybe so, but it’s the reason Reagan won two landslides in the 80s. Fair or not to credit/blame POTUS for the economy, it makes for highly effective politics. Too bad Democrats are too incompetent to do it well when it should be so easy though. God I miss the days of Carville and “It’s the economy, stupid!”

[Mr. Smith]

Who cares? Quality beats quantity anyway.

[GeneralMacArthur]

The media has a lot to answer for? You know who else does, much more in fact? The Biden Administration and the Democratic Party for their terrible, terrible messaging. Some presidents like FDR and Reagan could sell even mediocre to bad times as successes of their administrations. This one can’t even sell a lay-up as a positive accomplishment. And it’s partly because much of the woke activist wing of the party, which is disproportionately prominent, influential, and vocal in Democratic politics and national media, would seemingly much prefer to talk about divisive culture war issues over boasting about economic accomplishments. These idiots are going to ruin the party and be the ones most responsible for the shellacking in November. I’m just hoping people realize that after the fact and purge the party of them so it doesn’t happen again. Temporary pain for long-term gain is our best hope at this point.

When was the last time you heard any messaging from Biden?  He does speeches every day.  He has frequent press availabilities.  His press office does daily briefings.  But the media barely reports on any of them.  The only stories about Jen Psaki's hour-long daily briefings that penetrate the mainstream consciousness are whenever Peter Doocy says something idiotic.  Otherwise, none of the White House's messaging is channeled to the people by the media.  It's all ignored.  Biden's giving a speech in Seattle today and I bet no cable channel will carry it or report on it.  Whose fault is that?

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

No, because neither neoliberal politicians nor capitalists are "job creators."

In the pandemic, billionaires increased their wealth by 55%. Unemployment is higher now than it was in February 2020, but no serious person would laud the Trump admin of 2017-20 for "job creation."

And eliminating billionaires would help people? For all the exploitation of the investor tax deductions they do supply needed capital.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

Nobody cares how many jobs are created when real incomes are crashing like a meteor thanks to rampant inflation. "Well, I'm going to have to cut back all my expenses this month but at least a kid somewhere got a new job delivering pizza" said nobody ever.

If Democrats want to get absolutely crushed then they should insist that actually the economy is great, that inflation is a good thing and that anyone complaining just wants Trump back.

It isn't even like Biden was doomed by inflation because there was always an easy scapegoat: Powell and the Federal Reserve. If Biden had responded to the first few high readings by calling out the Madman Trump Appointee Fed Chair before having him replaced with a solemn speech along the lines of "it will take many months, perhaps even more than a year, to resolve the terrible damage by this economically foolish administration". It would at least give Biden some cover, and I think a lot of Americans would be willing to put up with inflation (at least to the midterm) if they had advanced warning plus a plausible alternative target to blame and they didn't think the administration was trying to deceive them.

But unfortunately Biden is barely cogent and the people around him are among the most inept, arrogant and short-sighted people in the history of America (if not the entire world) so he's given Powell both thumbs up the whole way through, meaning any blame Powell gets will slide right on down to Biden. Nobody trusts the administration economically because they made wildly optimistic predictions that completely failed to pan out.

Oh, and that's another thing: I keep seeing certain red avis complaining that people like Democrat promises but then turn against them, as if this is because they're just dumb and deceived or something. No, the problem is that you make big promises and then completely fail to deliver. If you promised very little but actually delivered then at least you'd have the facade of competence and honesty. The only thing empty promises do is give a fleeting polling bump that's quickly overwhelmed by the gradual yet unstoppable tide of people alienated by all accumulation of prior failures.

Compare with Trump, who I would say is at least in the bottom quartile of American Presidents in terms of actually achieving his agenda. But his big three promises were for a strong economy, a trade war with China and a wall with Mexico. The strong economy he somewhat achieved (arguably not due to anything he did, but that's not the point), he did indeed fight a trade war with China despite all the institution opposition even if it didn't succeed and he fought with everything he had to make sure that there was indeed a Trump Wall, even if it wasn't thousands of miles long.

Whereas the Biden administration has acted like a blob; arbitrarily picking fights the nobody wants, picking fights it loses in embarrassing fashion and refusing to prioritize winning the fights that actually matter, probably because the administration is headless and has no priorities, just flailing insiders pushing whatever pet issue is fashionable on the DC strip while occasionally referring to the polls. The President is supposed to set the agenda but there is no President and increasingly the people are becoming aware that there is no agenda either.

Oh, boo-hoo!  Democratic perceptions of Trump's pre-Covid economy were similarly negative despite record-setting personal income growth and low unemployment.  In going beyond the BLS topline figures, Democrats' dissident position on Trump's economy was "nuanced" while any criticism of Biden's economic performance is part of a dangerous "misinformation ecosystem."  The double-standard is the only story to see here.  Get a grip.   

Tbh the Trump economy was outstandingly good. The issue is:

A) The hard work was done under the Obama administration. Trump just went into cruise control on the economic front for 3 years.

B) The only big economic measure Trump did (stimulus tax cuts) was counterintuitive. Economic policy is meant to be countercyclical. Ie you should do stimulus when the economy is in recession (which Trump, to his credit, did indeed do during covid) and cuts/higher taxes when the economy is booming. Tax cuts in 2017 were a bad idea imo.

This might be the conventional wisdom but it's also Keynesian nonsense that should have been thrown in the dustbin of history after 1970. It wasn't tax cuts in 2017 that caused inflation in 2021 but stimulus in 2020 combined with a decade of financial juicing from the Federal Reserve. The best case result of stimulus is a temporary delay to economic pain accompanied by the enrichment of elites via Cantillon Effects and in the worst case you get stagflation or hyperinflation.

[BG-NY]

Well Biden took them away, so you'd hope he'd help bring some back.