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« on: January 20, 2022, 01:19:41 PM »

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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2022, 01:44:43 PM »

Gotta love to see Dems declaring war on popular incumbents in pink states lol
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2022, 01:49:45 PM »

Gotta love to see Dems declaring war on popular incumbents in pink states lol

Popular by what metric? If her numbers are really this bad, she's almost certainly overwhelmingly unpopular in Arizona unless she's getting unanimous approval from Republicans or something.
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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2022, 01:51:15 PM »

Yep. A post-2024 Dem party will have 100% conformity on nuking the filibuster. Anytime they gain the Senate after that it's gone (or maybe even before if Republicans are total hypocrites).
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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2022, 01:58:15 PM »

Gotta love to see Dems declaring war on popular incumbents in pink states lol

Yes, this could be the Democrats' IN-SEN 2012 if they actually vote Sinema out of office in a primary (not yet convinced they will actually do this). While I do agree that someone like Gallego could still win the GE in the right environment/against the "right" opponent & if the top of the ticket is a decisive D win, it would be no worse than a Toss-up for the GOP and would put yet another seat on an already disastrous (for Democrats) 2024 map in play, so I won’t complain. Oh well, the idiots do it to themselves.

Watch partisan hacks rationalize it with "no Republican-leaning or 'moderate' voter who won’t vote for [Gallego/non-Sinema D] was going to vote for Sinema."
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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2022, 02:02:47 PM »

Gotta love to see Dems declaring war on popular incumbents in pink states lol

Popular by what metric? If her numbers are really this bad, she's almost certainly overwhelmingly unpopular in Arizona unless she's getting unanimous approval from Republicans or something.

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=465126.0

This poll had her +7 favorability a few points higher than Kelly. She already had a fair amount of disapproval among D’s at the time so this implies that she was running the table with independents. The only thing standing in the way of her re-election is her own party’s pouting
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2022, 02:07:23 PM »

Clearly an electoral super juggernaut who is the only one who can save Democrats from extinction in the red state (because it has Latinos that will soon vote like rural white voters in WV) of Arizona!
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« Reply #7 on: January 20, 2022, 02:07:50 PM »

LMFAO. But 100% earned! Great job!

Has any senator ever recorded a lower approval rating within the own party? I guess even Jeff Flake had more in 2017/18 and Romney certainly has in Utah.
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« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2022, 02:10:06 PM »

She's gonna be primaries amyways
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« Reply #9 on: January 20, 2022, 02:11:11 PM »

Gotta love to see Dems declaring war on popular incumbents in pink states lol

Popular by what metric? If her numbers are really this bad, she's almost certainly overwhelmingly unpopular in Arizona unless she's getting unanimous approval from Republicans or something.

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=465126.0

This poll had her +7 favorability a few points higher than Kelly. She already had a fair amount of disapproval among D’s at the time so this implies that she was running the table with independents. The only thing standing in the way of her re-election is her own party’s pouting

https://blog.ohpredictive.com/press-releases/democrats-support-ousting-sinema-in-2024-primary

This (more recent) one has her favorability with Republicans at +3 (48/45) and at -5 with Democrats (42/47), but sure, she has no crossover appeal and "appeals to no one" because hardcore Democratic partisans don’t like her.
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« Reply #10 on: January 20, 2022, 02:16:03 PM »

Side note: this is exactly why it's really annoying when people always reply to every news story on her with sarcastic "YAY! GO GIRLBOSS!" type comments. NO ONE is saying that about her now. She's pretty hated by all wings of the Democratic Party and yet they still internally bicker over her somehow.
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« Reply #11 on: January 20, 2022, 02:22:52 PM »

Side note: this is exactly why it's really annoying when people always reply to every news story on her with sarcastic "YAY! GO GIRLBOSS!" type comments. NO ONE is saying that about her now. She's pretty hated by all wings of the Democratic Party and yet they still internally bicker over her somehow.

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« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2022, 02:32:04 PM »

Gotta love to see Dems declaring war on popular incumbents in pink states lol

8% approval with your own party does not a popular incumbent make
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« Reply #13 on: January 20, 2022, 02:33:48 PM »

Officeholders in AZ can be recalled if a petition garners signatures equivalent to 25% of the votes cast in the last election for that office, which in this case would be about 596,000 signatures. If this poll is even remotely accurate, the AZ Dems should be able to get that easily. If I were Ruben Gallego or someone connected to him, I'd quietly get an effort organized to recall her.
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« Reply #14 on: January 20, 2022, 02:37:22 PM »

The biggest mistake everyone makes is assuming that candidates do not need to motivate their own voters to turn out- they do and it's a huge part of winning, especially in a big state where you can't just rely on retail politics.

If you are despised and hated by your own base you will lose- did Susan Collins ever have 8% approval among republicans?
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« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2022, 02:40:14 PM »

She should be wiped out, not just defeated but destroyed, so that future Democratic Senators recognise her actions for the historic mistake they are and fall in line.
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« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2022, 02:40:31 PM »

Officeholders in AZ can be recalled if a petition garners signatures equivalent to 25% of the votes cast in the last election for that office, which in this case would be about 596,000 signatures. If this poll is even remotely accurate, the AZ Dems should be able to get that easily. If I were Ruben Gallego or someone connected to him, I'd quietly get an effort organized to recall her.

Sure that this applies to federal officeholders? I would assume it just applies to state level and local officials.
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« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2022, 02:42:13 PM »

Officeholders in AZ can be recalled if a petition garners signatures equivalent to 25% of the votes cast in the last election for that office, which in this case would be about 596,000 signatures. If this poll is even remotely accurate, the AZ Dems should be able to get that easily. If I were Ruben Gallego or someone connected to him, I'd quietly get an effort organized to recall her.

Pretty sure this only applies to state politicians, not federal ones.
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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2022, 02:48:59 PM »

Officeholders in AZ can be recalled if a petition garners signatures equivalent to 25% of the votes cast in the last election for that office, which in this case would be about 596,000 signatures. If this poll is even remotely accurate, the AZ Dems should be able to get that easily. If I were Ruben Gallego or someone connected to him, I'd quietly get an effort organized to recall her.

Sure that this applies to federal officeholders? I would assume it just applies to state level and local officials.

God dammit.
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« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2022, 02:49:49 PM »

https://talkelections.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=465126.0

This poll had her +7 favorability a few points higher than Kelly. She already had a fair amount of disapproval among D’s at the time so this implies that she was running the table with independents. The only thing standing in the way of her re-election is her own party’s pouting

42/36 Favorable/Unfavorable with Independents in that poll. She made up for the losses with Dems with Republicans. She was still majority-favorable with Democrats, though. If she's down to 8% now, she'd need much better numbers among Republicans/Indies to be net favorable.
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2022, 03:50:52 PM »

Still don't get it.  She clearly hates her own voters.  Ridiculous!  What a garbage play - to try to win the next round by appealing to every single person that DIDN'T VOTE FOR YOU in the previous one.
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2022, 03:51:07 PM »

Clowns in this thread saying she'd be strong in the general because she's so strong among Republicans and indies.
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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2022, 03:54:01 PM »

Clowns in this thread saying she'd be strong in the general because she's so strong among Republicans and indies.

Just wait until the election comes around and 90%+ those Republicans who viewed her favorably end up voting for the Republican candidate anyway.
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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2022, 05:03:24 PM »

Gotta love to see Dems declaring war on popular incumbents in pink states lol

Yes, this could be the Democrats' IN-SEN 2012 if they actually vote Sinema out of office in a primary (not yet convinced they will actually do this). While I do agree that someone like Gallego could still win the GE in the right environment/against the "right" opponent & if the top of the ticket is a decisive D win, it would be no worse than a Toss-up for the GOP and would put yet another seat on an already disastrous (for Democrats) 2024 map in play, so I won’t complain. Oh well, the idiots do it to themselves.

Watch partisan hacks rationalize it with "no Republican-leaning or 'moderate' voter who won’t vote for [Gallego/non-Sinema D] was going to vote for Sinema."

Silence, Republican!
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« Reply #24 on: January 20, 2022, 05:04:15 PM »

Gotta love to see Dems declaring war on popular incumbents in pink states lol

She also has like 27% approval among independents. You have no idea what you're talking about.
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