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Question: What should be taught
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Evolution ONLY (as theory)
 
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Evolution ONLY (as fact)
 
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Intelligent Design ONLY (as theory)
 
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Intelligent Design ONLY (as fact)
 
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Both (as theory)
 
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Both (as fact???)
 
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Nothing should be taught
 
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« on: September 23, 2006, 10:15:49 PM »
« edited: September 27, 2006, 08:45:15 PM by Inks.LWC »

Both as theory
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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2006, 10:17:08 PM »

What I want to know is what does the theory of evolution have to do with the beginning of the Universe?
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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2006, 11:48:32 PM »

I agree Preston, this poll makes no sense.

In any event, in the evolution vs. intelligent design debate, I would say evolution should be taught as what it is; a scientific theory for which solid evidence exists. A "theory" in science is different than what we normally think of as a theory in every day life; it means much more than just an idea, it has to have significant evidence in favor of it to reach that status. We don't have quite enough evidence to elevate it to the status of a law such as gravity, but it's still a lot more than just a hypothesis, which is basically equivalent to what most people think of as a theory in every day talk.

Creationism is not science and therefore shouldn't be taught in science class, just like evolution is not religion and thus shouldn't be taught in church.
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« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2006, 11:57:36 PM »

Agree with those that say the poll makes no sense. Anyways, answering the question - science class should be about teaching science. Evolution is the leading scientific theory in regards to life on the planet and is based on the observations scientists have made up to this point. Intelligent design has no scientific basis and is merely supposition, so it does not merit a place in science class IMHO. If you can get some scientific evidence for intelligent design, I'd happily allow teaching it, but until then evolution and any other scientifically based theories should be taught.
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2006, 12:22:25 AM »

Sandcastle with a moat.  AS FACT!!!!!
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2006, 12:24:41 AM »

Option 2.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2006, 10:45:33 AM »

This poll makes no sense. Evolution has nothing to do with the beginning of the Universe in any way shape or form. Evolution doesn't really come into play until the earth has formed and cooled around 5 billion years ago or so which is a little less than half the time that the universe has been around.

I think what you mean to say is the big bang theory which has enough holes in it to make some sort of intelligent design rather appealing to people. However if you do mean the big bang theory than I would want to dissuade the actual teaching of any sort of intelligent design in the creation of the universe since we may be able to answer those questions that cause big gaps in the scientific timeline and that those discoveries might not be made if we just take all the knowledge we don't have now and just put it into the catagory of God's miracles, which is a complete cop out.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2006, 11:08:26 AM »

Just have the students teach class that day and see what happens.
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2006, 03:14:58 PM »

Evolution ONLY (as theory)

Teachers should say that evolution is a theory.  They should also mention competing ideas, such as creationism and intelligent design, but only evolution should be taught.
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2006, 03:17:57 PM »

Where's the Gravitational (theory) answer? It needs to be emphasized that gravity is a scientific theory, and has never been proven, and in fact Einstein showed the Newtonian Gravitational theory was wrong.
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2006, 03:29:27 PM »

Where did the whole idea of evolution vs. creationism start?  That's such a non-sensical connection.

Scientific theories on the creation of the Universe may only be theories (since when is being a theory scientifically bad?), but at least they're theories, which is more than you can say for creationism.
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2006, 03:40:12 PM »

As said before evolution has nothing to do with the origins of the universe.

Claiming the two have any relationship means you should go drink draino.

Anyone teaching young earth creationism needs to be shot in the face.
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2006, 10:27:55 PM »

I am confused.  Evolution can't be a fact since those dumbass original life forms forgot to video tape everything that happenned.  So, teach it as a theory, like the theories of gravity, cells, plate tectonics, and everything else.  A theory basically is fact.  So your poll is knd of weird.
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« Reply #13 on: September 25, 2006, 11:37:01 PM »

A theory basically is fact.  So your poll is knd of weird.

Ok.  That is frighterningly wrong.

Ether theory is basically a fact?
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« Reply #14 on: September 25, 2006, 11:43:33 PM »

A theory basically is fact.  So your poll is knd of weird.

Ok.  That is frighterningly wrong.

Ether theory is basically a fact?

If it has reached the status of theory then there is no evidence in direct controdiction to it.  So therefore it is basically a fact, but not actually one.

I don't know enough about the specifics of that theory and don't feel like readin about it.
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« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2006, 11:53:26 PM »

A theory basically is fact.  So your poll is knd of weird.

Ok.  That is frighterningly wrong.

Ether theory is basically a fact?

If it has reached the status of theory then there is no evidence in direct controdiction to it.  So therefore it is basically a fact, but not actually one.

I don't know enough about the specifics of that theory and don't feel like readin about it.

SHort form:  Space is filled with an invisible substance called ether that transmits light, heat, etc.  Everything about it makes perfect sense except for one thing: it is entirely wrong.  Well, it still has a few adherents, but they are few and far between.
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2006, 12:16:45 AM »

Does aether theory even retain status as a theory?
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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2006, 07:09:43 AM »

Does aether theory even retain status as a theory?

Irrelevant to the point he was making I think. All that matters is that it was once a theory in the scientific view. He was saying that there are theories that are not facts, so jcar's statement that theories are basically facts is erroneous.
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2006, 08:44:45 AM »

Does aether theory even retain status as a theory?

It did when I learned it in college.

Dibble's point about my point is correct, though.
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2006, 08:56:02 AM »

What I want to know is what does the theory of evolution have to do with the beginning of the Universe?

I agree.  Secondly, the poll options are to narrow.  Both evolution and creationism should be taught in schools.  Evolution should be taught as both Macro and Micro-evolution in either Biology or Earth Science type classes, while creationism should be taught in the narative context in English or as religious lore in World History classes.
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« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2006, 08:41:36 PM »

What I want to know is what does the theory of evolution have to do with the beginning of the Universe?

Evolution and big bang--It was the best way to word it.
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« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2006, 08:44:32 PM »

Creationism is not science and therefore shouldn't be taught in science class, just like evolution is not religion and thus shouldn't be taught in church.

How--neither one is a science
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« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2006, 08:46:55 PM »

Creationism is not science and therefore shouldn't be taught in science class, just like evolution is not religion and thus shouldn't be taught in church.

How--neither one is a science

That's not what scientists say about evolution. If you're going to say evolution isn't based on science, then back it up.
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« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2006, 08:47:32 PM »

What I want to know is what does the theory of evolution have to do with the beginning of the Universe?

I agree.  Secondly, the poll options are to narrow.  Both evolution and creationism should be taught in schools.  Evolution should be taught as both Macro and Micro-evolution in either Biology or Earth Science type classes, while creationism should be taught in the narative context in English or as religious lore in World History classes.

i have an option for both
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« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2006, 08:47:54 PM »

Creationism is not science and therefore shouldn't be taught in science class, just like evolution is not religion and thus shouldn't be taught in church.

How--neither one is a science

That's not what scientists say about evolution. If you're going to say evolution isn't based on science, then back it up.

science must be observed
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