January 6th legal proceedings and investigations megathread

[ProudModerate2]

"the racist DA in crime ridden Atlanta"

That's nice.
I can't wait to see his ass in jail. I will laugh forever.

[Torie]

I guess Trump agrees with me that unlike potentially the classified documents case, it will be hard to delay a Jan 6 trial until after the election, and a DC jury will probably convict him. He's worried.

[Crumpets]

"the racist DA in crime ridden Atlanta"

That's nice.
I can't wait to see his ass in jail. I will laugh forever.

If he does end up in jail, his actions will have contributed to Atlanta's crime rate.

[2016]

I guess Trump agrees with me that unlike potentially the classified documents case, it will be hard to delay a Jan 6 trial until after the election, and a DC jury will probably convict him. He's worried.

This is precisely the reason why Special Counsel Jack Smith is pursuing the J6 Charges! Smith knows that if the D. C. Grand Jury indicts Trump the case will likely be fast tracked.

And if convicted we could face a scenario where Trump will be booted off the POTUS Ballot for the GE and you basically have to vote for the VP Candidate who becomes the POTUS Candidate.

[Torie]

I guess Trump agrees with me that unlike potentially the classified documents case, it will be hard to delay a Jan 6 trial until after the election, and a DC jury will probably convict him. He's worried.

This is precisely the reason why Special Counsel Jack Smith is pursuing the J6 Charges! Smith knows that if the D. C. Grand Jury indicts Trump the case will likely be fast tracked.

And if convicted we could face a scenario where Trump will be booted off the POTUS Ballot for the GE and you basically have to vote for the VP Candidate who becomes the POTUS Candidate.

If all that happens, I will perhaps need to reconsider my atheism.

[2016]

All on tape and Trump will PAY for it
https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1684218036448899074

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

I guess Trump agrees with me that unlike potentially the classified documents case, it will be hard to delay a Jan 6 trial until after the election, and a DC jury will probably convict him. He's worried.

This is precisely the reason why Special Counsel Jack Smith is pursuing the J6 Charges! Smith knows that if the D. C. Grand Jury indicts Trump the case will likely be fast tracked.

And if convicted we could face a scenario where Trump will be booted off the POTUS Ballot for the GE and you basically have to vote for the VP Candidate who becomes the POTUS Candidate.

I don't necessarily disagree that Trump should be disqualified via the 14th amendment if convicted, but I do think you are wildly overestimating the chance of that actually happening in reality. If he's convicted in the January 6th case, 95% chance or higher that he remains on the ballot.

[2016]

I guess Trump agrees with me that unlike potentially the classified documents case, it will be hard to delay a Jan 6 trial until after the election, and a DC jury will probably convict him. He's worried.

This is precisely the reason why Special Counsel Jack Smith is pursuing the J6 Charges! Smith knows that if the D. C. Grand Jury indicts Trump the case will likely be fast tracked.

And if convicted we could face a scenario where Trump will be booted off the POTUS Ballot for the GE and you basically have to vote for the VP Candidate who becomes the POTUS Candidate.

I don't necessarily disagree that Trump should be disqualified via the 14th amendment if convicted, but I do think you are wildly overestimating the chance of that actually happening in reality. If he's convicted in the January 6th case, 95% chance or higher that he remains on the ballot.

Donald Trump is disqualified from being on the Presidential Ballot given what he did on January 6th 2021.

[Darthpi – Anti-Florida Activist]

I guess Trump agrees with me that unlike potentially the classified documents case, it will be hard to delay a Jan 6 trial until after the election, and a DC jury will probably convict him. He's worried.

This is precisely the reason why Special Counsel Jack Smith is pursuing the J6 Charges! Smith knows that if the D. C. Grand Jury indicts Trump the case will likely be fast tracked.

And if convicted we could face a scenario where Trump will be booted off the POTUS Ballot for the GE and you basically have to vote for the VP Candidate who becomes the POTUS Candidate.

I don't necessarily disagree that Trump should be disqualified via the 14th amendment if convicted, but I do think you are wildly overestimating the chance of that actually happening in reality. If he's convicted in the January 6th case, 95% chance or higher that he remains on the ballot.

Donald Trump is disqualified from being on the Presidential Ballot given what he did on January 6th 2021.

Again, not disputing that on paper, but you would need actual state elections officials to refuse to allow him onto the ballot, and then those decisions would inevitably end up going to court and you would need to win the court cases and the inevitable appeals, up to and including a very Republican Supreme Court that Trump appointed three members of. I don't see that as likely as a practical matter.

[2016]

I guess Trump agrees with me that unlike potentially the classified documents case, it will be hard to delay a Jan 6 trial until after the election, and a DC jury will probably convict him. He's worried.

This is precisely the reason why Special Counsel Jack Smith is pursuing the J6 Charges! Smith knows that if the D. C. Grand Jury indicts Trump the case will likely be fast tracked.

And if convicted we could face a scenario where Trump will be booted off the POTUS Ballot for the GE and you basically have to vote for the VP Candidate who becomes the POTUS Candidate.

I don't necessarily disagree that Trump should be disqualified via the 14th amendment if convicted, but I do think you are wildly overestimating the chance of that actually happening in reality. If he's convicted in the January 6th case, 95% chance or higher that he remains on the ballot.

Donald Trump is disqualified from being on the Presidential Ballot given what he did on January 6th 2021.

Again, not disputing that on paper, but you would need actual state elections officials to refuse to allow him onto the ballot, and then those decisions would inevitably end up going to court and you would need to win the court cases and the inevitable appeals, up to and including a very Republican Supreme Court that Trump appointed three members of. I don't see that as likely as a practical matter.

Trumps Legal Team are already saying that Trump will have to fight for Ballot Access. Trump may not be booted entirely but if he gets booted off the Michigan Ballot (where they have a D Governor, AG and Secretary of State) and in Arizona (they also have a D Governor, AG and SoS) that's enough.

If they can strip him of enough Battleground States he is done.

It also depends on the charges Special Counsel Jack Smith brings. If Smith brings charges on Rule 18, Section 2382 which is inciting Insurrection and Trump gets convicted of that he is FINISHED.

§ 2383. Rebellion or insurrection
Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against
the authority of the United States or the laws
thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be
fined under this title or imprisoned not more
than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of
holding any office under the United States.

https://statecodesfiles.justia.com/us/2014/title-18/part-i/chapter-115/sec.-2383/sec.-2383.pdf

The Code of the US Constitution is pretty clear here. I dunno how Trump will get around this if he indeed gets charged on J6!

[Ferguson97]

Trumps Legal Team are already saying that Trump will have to fight for Ballot Access.

Yeah, of course they're saying that. They need to trick gullible rubes into donating to Trump's legal fund so they can get a big fat paycheck.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I guess Trump agrees with me that unlike potentially the classified documents case, it will be hard to delay a Jan 6 trial until after the election, and a DC jury will probably convict him. He's worried.

This is precisely the reason why Special Counsel Jack Smith is pursuing the J6 Charges! Smith knows that if the D. C. Grand Jury indicts Trump the case will likely be fast tracked.

And if convicted we could face a scenario where Trump will be booted off the POTUS Ballot for the GE and you basically have to vote for the VP Candidate who becomes the POTUS Candidate.

I don't necessarily disagree that Trump should be disqualified via the 14th amendment if convicted, but I do think you are wildly overestimating the chance of that actually happening in reality. If he's convicted in the January 6th case, 95% chance or higher that he remains on the ballot.

Donald Trump is disqualified from being on the Presidential Ballot given what he did on January 6th 2021.

Again, not disputing that on paper, but you would need actual state elections officials to refuse to allow him onto the ballot, and then those decisions would inevitably end up going to court and you would need to win the court cases and the inevitable appeals, up to and including a very Republican Supreme Court that Trump appointed three members of. I don't see that as likely as a practical matter.

So far there has been only one person disqualified from holding office based on January 6: Couy Griffin in New Mexico.

However Griffin was actually convicted. We would likely need a conviction of Trump to also bar him.

[2016]

Trump has a huge problem if he faces charges on J6. All his Lawyers can do is delay but they won't be successful.

Section 2383 is pretty clear.

Trump is f'd up royally here.

[Torie]

The celebration that Trump could be barred from being POTUS again if convicted under that statute might be premature. I have not fully digested the tome yet to be able to form a competent opinion of my own, but the interplay of the various applicable provision and the legislative history is complex.

https://reason.com/volokh/2021/02/18/if-donald-trump-is-convicted-of-violating-18-u-s-c-%C2%A7-2383-will-he-be-disqualified-from-serving-as-president/

[GeorgiaModerate]

This is interesting.  As has been previously reported, there are two grand jury panels in the current Fulton County Superior Court term.  Apparently Fani Willis is presenting testimony to both of them; the story below implies that the same witness has been subpoenaed to both panels.  It also strongly suggests that Willis is going after the fake elector scheme.

https://www.ajc.com/politics/breaking-journalist-who-observed-gop-electors-subpoenaed-in-fulton-trump-case/5YEH4S4X6BCEPM4PBQYDSWTLGE/

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/kyledcheney/status/1686007077649502209

[Florida Man for Crime]

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1686442502608343056

Possible indictment could be incoming today.

[President Johnson]

Will such an indictment lead to an arrest?

[emailking]

Will such an indictment lead to an arrest?

There will be a technical arrest but it will just be him turning himself in for his arraignment and then being released on bond.

[emailking]

You only need the foreperson to hand up an indictment by the way, so I think that tweet means it's happening.

[2016]

https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1686442502608343056

Possible indictment could be incoming today.

If the Jury Foreperson is still there Indictment could potentially be coming today. We shall see!

[Florida Man for Crime]

A reporter on MSNBC tv news said that he "couldn't talk about some things" which makes it sound possible that media may have gotten a heads up. And said there was media there which was expecting news.

If it happens and is announced today, it will probably be within the next 2-3 hours in any case.

[2016]

A reporter on MSNBC tv news said that he "couldn't talk about some things" which makes it sound possible that media may have gotten a heads up. And said there was media there which was expecting news.

If it happens and is announced today, it will probably be within the next 2-3 hours in any case.

If it's going to be announced today it definitly will be before the Cable Channels tap into their Prime Time Programme!

[GeorgiaModerate]

Don't forget that even if an indictment is returned today, it might be filed under seal and won't be announced until later.

[riceowl]

Trump says he's being indicted at 5EST. Take it for what you will.