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« on: April 06, 2021, 01:25:45 AM »

I would say it’s a small problem, although it is both downplayed and overestimated, depending on who is pushing their agenda.
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2021, 01:33:19 AM »

I pretty much agree with your assessment.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2021, 01:41:38 AM »

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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2021, 07:09:46 AM »

Only if you have a weak sense of self, maybe it is.
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2021, 07:42:59 AM »

No.

It does give some people (on both sides of this issue) someone (or something) to blame for their own failings though, so it's got that going for it.  Losers are good at finding race based excuses for why they are losers.  "the white man is keeping me down" and "everyone hates white people, that's why my life sucks" are two sides to the same, cheaply made, coin.
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2021, 09:20:37 AM »

Only in very small and specific circles, but at the macro scale, no, it isn’t.
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2021, 09:36:06 AM »

lol no

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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2021, 10:38:55 AM »

Not outside of very specific places/groups, but I do worry sometimes that it may become more of a problem. Hopefully that's just my privilege talking, though.
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2021, 10:47:02 AM »

No. I live in a neighborhood that's over 90% non white, have for years, and I can safely say I have never experienced "anti whiteness" nor have any of the white folks I know. If it is a problem it's a very minor one.
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2021, 12:00:58 PM »

Maybe on social media, where a ton of things are "problems" that normal people can have almost no exposure to during the course of an average day ... but overall?  No.

That is not to defend the incredibly annoying (and thankfully rather irrelevant) fringe who could be reasonably described as "anti-White."
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2021, 01:24:42 PM »

No. I live in a neighborhood that's over 90% non white, have for years, and I can safely say I have never experienced "anti whiteness" nor have any of the white folks I know. If it is a problem it's a very minor one.

The problem with anti-whiteness today isn’t that it’s holding any white people back at a large scale. It’s far too small for that. The problem is that people deny not only that it exists, they deny that it can exist, for a number of reasons. This therefore gives it an environment to grow, to where it may be potentially harmful.
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2021, 01:29:35 PM »

Not really, at most it’s hypocritical and annoying behavior online from weak people who need to get self-validation by acting like a behavior police on the internet and telling people what to do and say instead of simply ignoring what they don’t like. Or from opportunists wanting to get money off the narrative.

But that doesn’t make white people or other groups who dominate the system structures oppressed lol. Just like it’s eye-rolling to me to see some minority groups sometimes acting like the biggest victims whenever someone says something politically incorrect, it’s also even more eye-rolling whenever opposite groups react like they’re being oppressed because people are saying bad stuff about them online and create terms like “reverse racism” or “heterophobia”, among many others. It feels like a contest for biggest victimhood from all sides.
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2021, 02:00:05 PM »

Duh
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« Reply #13 on: April 06, 2021, 02:54:32 PM »

Yes. Racism against white people, often in areas where whites are few in number, as well as the efforts to change the definition of racism to exclude racism against whites, further contributes to the resurgence of racism by whites against non-whites which has more serious consequences.
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« Reply #14 on: April 06, 2021, 02:57:23 PM »

Some super-woke people are staunchly anti-white instead of just being for legal equality for everyone. However, racial discrimination/racism against PoC remains a problem as well.
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« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2021, 03:31:17 PM »

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.
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« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2021, 03:46:29 PM »

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?
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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2021, 07:20:55 PM »

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?

Not surprised you're perpetuating this reactionary myth.
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« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2021, 08:07:13 PM »
« Edited: April 06, 2021, 08:10:49 PM by Big Abraham »

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?

Not surprised you're perpetuating this reactionary myth.


Not sure how it's a myth when white students have literally been passed up in favor of black students with lower test scores and GPAs. Even after controlling for grades, test scores, family background, and athletic status, blacks are still more than ten times as likely to be accepted at an American university than whites, and fifteen times more likely than Asians.

Women and people of color also have a large swath of scholarships available to them at their disposal, solely on account of their sex and race, whereas men and whites do not have these same benefits.
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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2021, 09:00:17 PM »

Women and people of color also have a large swath of scholarships available to them at their disposal, solely on account of their sex and race, whereas men and whites do not have these same benefits.

"White men have no benefits available to them" is...... certainly a take.
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« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2021, 09:15:10 PM »

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?

Not surprised you're perpetuating this reactionary myth.


Not sure how it's a myth when white students have literally been passed up in favor of black students with lower test scores and GPAs. Even after controlling for grades, test scores, family background, and athletic status, blacks are still more than ten times as likely to be accepted at an American university than whites, and fifteen times more likely than Asians.

Women and people of color also have a large swath of scholarships available to them at their disposal, solely on account of their sex and race, whereas men and whites do not have these same benefits.

Yeah, we’re gonna need a citation on that one.
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« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2021, 09:26:16 PM »

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?

Not surprised you're perpetuating this reactionary myth.


Not sure how it's a myth when white students have literally been passed up in favor of black students with lower test scores and GPAs. Even after controlling for grades, test scores, family background, and athletic status, blacks are still more than ten times as likely to be accepted at an American university than whites, and fifteen times more likely than Asians.

Women and people of color also have a large swath of scholarships available to them at their disposal, solely on account of their sex and race, whereas men and whites do not have these same benefits.

Yeah, we’re gonna need a citation on that one.

"Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and found what looks like different standards for different racial groups. They calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African-Americans who got 1100. Whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian-Americans."
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« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2021, 09:37:44 PM »

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?

Not surprised you're perpetuating this reactionary myth.


Not sure how it's a myth when white students have literally been passed up in favor of black students with lower test scores and GPAs. Even after controlling for grades, test scores, family background, and athletic status, blacks are still more than ten times as likely to be accepted at an American university than whites, and fifteen times more likely than Asians.

Women and people of color also have a large swath of scholarships available to them at their disposal, solely on account of their sex and race, whereas men and whites do not have these same benefits.

Yeah, we’re gonna need a citation on that one.

"Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and found what looks like different standards for different racial groups. They calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African-Americans who got 1100. Whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian-Americans."

1. Thomas Espenshade himself has clearly stated that he doesn't believe that data constitutes "smoking gun" evidence for undue discrimination against Asian students because the study is entirely based on test scores, which is only one aspect of the college admissions process and one that most universities are placing less and less emphasis on.

2. That study only examines a small group of elite private universities. The disparity in test scores and acceptance rates would be much smaller if we were looking at American universities in general, as your original comment suggested.

Not to mention that that study is almost 25 years old at this point.
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« Reply #23 on: April 06, 2021, 09:42:54 PM »

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?

Not surprised you're perpetuating this reactionary myth.


Not sure how it's a myth when white students have literally been passed up in favor of black students with lower test scores and GPAs. Even after controlling for grades, test scores, family background, and athletic status, blacks are still more than ten times as likely to be accepted at an American university than whites, and fifteen times more likely than Asians.

Women and people of color also have a large swath of scholarships available to them at their disposal, solely on account of their sex and race, whereas men and whites do not have these same benefits.

Yeah, we’re gonna need a citation on that one.

"Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and found what looks like different standards for different racial groups. They calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African-Americans who got 1100. Whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian-Americans."

I don't understand how anyone could come to any other conclusion than that this is racist.
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« Reply #24 on: April 06, 2021, 09:59:45 PM »

No. Someone calling you "colonizer" on Twitter is not even remotely comparable to the systemic racism that non-whites face.

Being systematically discriminated against in college applications doesn't count?

Not surprised you're perpetuating this reactionary myth.


Not sure how it's a myth when white students have literally been passed up in favor of black students with lower test scores and GPAs. Even after controlling for grades, test scores, family background, and athletic status, blacks are still more than ten times as likely to be accepted at an American university than whites, and fifteen times more likely than Asians.

Women and people of color also have a large swath of scholarships available to them at their disposal, solely on account of their sex and race, whereas men and whites do not have these same benefits.

Yeah, we’re gonna need a citation on that one.

"Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade and researcher Alexandria Walton Radford examined data on students applying to college in 1997 and found what looks like different standards for different racial groups. They calculated that Asian-Americans needed nearly perfect SAT scores of 1550 to have the same chance of being accepted at a top private university as whites who scored 1410 and African-Americans who got 1100. Whites were three times, Hispanics six times, and blacks more than 15 times as likely to be accepted at a US university as Asian-Americans."

1. Thomas Espenshade himself has clearly stated that he doesn't believe that data constitutes "smoking gun" evidence for undue discrimination against Asian students because the study is entirely based on test scores, which is only one aspect of the college admissions process and one that most universities are placing less and less emphasis on.

2. That study only examines a small group of elite private universities. The disparity in test scores and acceptance rates would be much smaller if we were looking at American universities in general, as your original comment suggested.

Not to mention that that study is almost 25 years old at this point.

I mean it just seems like you're trying to nitpick here. Yes, test scores are "only one" aspect of the admission process, but it's a pretty damn big one. Along with GPA scores (which, as I mentioned before, have also shown discrimination against Asians and whites), it's the single biggest factor that determines a student's merit. And like I said, that's even after controlling for family background and athletic status as well.

And "elite private universities" are the most prestigious in the country, arguably in the world, no? Therefore, if there is discrimination in applications based on race in those instances, that's obviously something much more "institutional." If we were only looking at a couple of community colleges, it might be easier to sweep this under the rug. But if it appears to be a problem at all the Ivies, Georgetown, MIT, etc., then we can extrapolate some important information from that.

I'm not saying that "anti-whiteness" or anything like that is anything like it's been made out to be by some right-wing loons, nor is it even on par with discrimination against other races in other instances. But to act like "mean things on twitter" is the only thing that white people have to deal with when it comes to race-based discrimination is just ridiculous.
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