Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

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https://twitter.com/SenatorRomney/status/1455929583899922442

Dems are now to the right of Mitt Romney on among other sings taxes.

Something went very wrong when Mitt Romney wants to save us from a Democratic tax cut for the rich.

[jojoju1998]

https://twitter.com/SenatorRomney/status/1455929583899922442

Dems are now to the right of Mitt Romney on among other sings taxes.

Something went very wrong when Mitt Romney wants to save us from a Democratic tax cut for the rich.

Inshallah.

[Storebought]

That's absolutely baloney from Romney: Just look at the way Northern VA and Bergen County NJ voted when SALT deductions were in place (steadily becoming more D with every election cycle) compared to how they are starting to vote without them being in place. He knows this, which is why he's gaslighting it.

And for the upper middle classes in NoVa and North Jersey who weren't voting Democrat even when SALT deductions were in place -- the Democrats didn't have their vote, but they did have their money.

Besides, rich people already get federal income tax exemption on (most classes of) municipal bonds, and US Treasuries are state income tax exempt anyhow. Tax exemption is not some scandal.

And I say that if the Democrats had any sort of guile, they would engineer the tax code in such a way that, say, Jaichind, could well move to McKinney TX from NY but face alternative minimum taxes higher than what he would pay if he just stayed in NY. In fact, that should be what the Senate Dems should do.

[jaichind]

SALT Cap Raised to $72.5K from $10K in House Democrats’ Proposed Bill.  I have to assume this is phased out after AGI reaches $500K.  Again this helps some number of people in high tax blue states but does not solve the real problem of the migration of the very high-income taxpayers to low tax red states that the original GOP SALT cap induced.

It seems this proposal by the blue state House Dems does NOT have an income cap.  Sanders already came out against it exactly because it will give a tax cut (smallish to be fair) to those with high income in high tax Blue states.

It seems what the high-income blue state district House Dems and what the Progressives want are not reconciolioable.  Another deadlock.

[roxas11]

https://twitter.com/SenatorRomney/status/1455929583899922442

Dems are now to the right of Mitt Romney on among other sings taxes.

This is terrible optics but I don’t think this will actually pass at least I hope.

What Mitt Romeny, is really saying is why settle for the Dems chump change when a future Republican president can give him the far bigger tax cut that he clearly wants lol

[Pres Mike]

Any Democrat trying to block free college is a god damn fool. Look at exit polls of voters with a college degree vs. those without one for like any election, including yesterday.

We already have free College it's called PELL GRANTS everyone of us received Pell Grants if you were low income too


Graduate Schools don't have Pell Grants because it's not required it's extra education, that's why it involves logic not facts in it's tests, Law School, Med School and Nursing School includes Graduate school, no Pell Grants but if you are a practicing Attorney or Nurse or Doctor there are state programs that 0ays for your Loans 8e if you are on the Honor rolll there are Grants or if you are a Cop or Natl Guard then they pay for all college

 We do not. If Pell Grants covered college for poor students we wouldn't have a student loan crisis.

I went to college from 2017-2020. Finished in three years

I had no debt. Took classes at a CC for a year than transffered to a state university. Lived at home. My Pell Grant paid for my tution (I don't actually live in Vermont)

I get what I did isn't an option for most people. But there is no excuse to borrow 40k of student loans.

You can get a brand new Mercedez-Benz for 40k. Imagine telling an 18 year old its smart to borrow 40k for a Benz and pay it off over 30 years

[R.P. McM]

That's absolutely baloney from Romney: Just look at the way Northern VA and Bergen County NJ voted when SALT deductions were in place (steadily becoming more D with every election cycle) compared to how they are starting to vote without them being in place. He knows this, which is why he's gaslighting it.

And for the upper middle classes in NoVa and North Jersey who weren't voting Democrat even when SALT deductions were in place -- the Democrats didn't have their vote, but they did have their money.

Besides, rich people already get federal income tax exemption on (most classes of) municipal bonds, and US Treasuries are state income tax exempt anyhow. Tax exemption is not some scandal.

And I say that if the Democrats had any sort of guile, they would engineer the tax code in such a way that, say, Jaichind, could well move to McKinney TX from NY but face alternative minimum taxes higher than what he would pay if he just stayed in NY. In fact, that should be what the Senate Dems should do.

Agreed. Democrats need to accept that the WWC is never going to support you, so focus on placating elements of the electorate whose votes you might actually win. This may mean you warp the tax code in order to favor educated cosmopolitans over rural rednecks. Do it, don't think twice about it.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

That's absolutely baloney from Romney: Just look at the way Northern VA and Bergen County NJ voted when SALT deductions were in place (steadily becoming more D with every election cycle) compared to how they are starting to vote without them being in place. He knows this, which is why he's gaslighting it.

And for the upper middle classes in NoVa and North Jersey who weren't voting Democrat even when SALT deductions were in place -- the Democrats didn't have their vote, but they did have their money.

Besides, rich people already get federal income tax exemption on (most classes of) municipal bonds, and US Treasuries are state income tax exempt anyhow. Tax exemption is not some scandal.

And I say that if the Democrats had any sort of guile, they would engineer the tax code in such a way that, say, Jaichind, could well move to McKinney TX from NY but face alternative minimum taxes higher than what he would pay if he just stayed in NY. In fact, that should be what the Senate Dems should do.

Agreed. Democrats need to accept that the WWC is never going to support you, so focus on placating elements of the electorate whose votes you might actually win. This may mean you warp the tax code in order to favor educated cosmopolitans over rural rednecks. Do it, don't think twice about it.

Get help.

[R.P. McM]

That's absolutely baloney from Romney: Just look at the way Northern VA and Bergen County NJ voted when SALT deductions were in place (steadily becoming more D with every election cycle) compared to how they are starting to vote without them being in place. He knows this, which is why he's gaslighting it.

And for the upper middle classes in NoVa and North Jersey who weren't voting Democrat even when SALT deductions were in place -- the Democrats didn't have their vote, but they did have their money.

Besides, rich people already get federal income tax exemption on (most classes of) municipal bonds, and US Treasuries are state income tax exempt anyhow. Tax exemption is not some scandal.

And I say that if the Democrats had any sort of guile, they would engineer the tax code in such a way that, say, Jaichind, could well move to McKinney TX from NY but face alternative minimum taxes higher than what he would pay if he just stayed in NY. In fact, that should be what the Senate Dems should do.

Agreed. Democrats need to accept that the WWC is never going to support you, so focus on placating elements of the electorate whose votes you might actually win. This may mean you warp the tax code in order to favor educated cosmopolitans over rural rednecks. Do it, don't think twice about it.

Get help.

Why? Isn't the definition of insanity attempting the same idiotic strategy over and over again and expecting a different result? The WWC had their chance, now it's time to focus on placating elements of the electorate that might actually support the Democratic Party. You're gaslighting because you want Northern Democrats to continue bankrolling voters y'all keep beating to bloody pulp. No thanks — care for your own economic abuse victims. Or continue throttling them ... I don't care. No family medical leave for mee-maw and pee-paw!

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

You know I dobt care what tax are raised, or how you say it, Youngkin ran on tax cuts and against raising taxes in a small way since infrastructure didn't pass, it helped Youngkin win by the narrowish of margin



I still don't know how Dems are gonna raise the Debt Ceiling without R support and they are intent on raising taxes on this spending bill and Rs are gonna block it on Dec 3rd again just like VR

[lfromnj]

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1456033264372789254

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1456033264372789254

Yes, because if there is anything the most recent election teaches us it’s that the key to victory is to do nothing in particular and just repeat how crazy your opponent is.

[R.P. McM]

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1456033264372789254

Well, unfortunately, the "chaos" is a direct result of the U.S. political establishment continuously faceplanting over the past two decades. Things have gotten so bad, significant subsets of both parties are promoting secession/civil war. So please, upwardly mobile, affluent whites: just STFU. No one is interested in hearing y'all reiterate how the current system is working for you.

[Attorney General & LGC Deputy Dwarven Dragon]

The rules committee continues to consider BBB. After Midnight and not clear we're wrapping up anytime soon.

Hoyer announces a wide range of floor possibilities for tomorrow: https://www.majorityleader.gov/content/daily-leader-thursday-november-4-2021

[Shadows]

The moderates continue losing though - I can see a few Blue Dogs losing primary in 2022 (some of whom are in very blue districts).

Biden is a moderate, Terry is a moderate. And the bland moderate politics got nothing - 0, likely worse than progressives. Manchin & Sinema are running the country & 1 will lose the seat to a Republican & the other will lose the primary.

This is sort of an inflection point - The Democratic party is more united behind a progressive agenda than they have ever been in a post-Reagan era - Sure they probably won't support a Medicare-for-all but the transition has largely happened & will be completed in the next 4-5 years !

[roxas11]

The moderates continue losing though - I can see a few Blue Dogs losing primary in 2022 (some of whom are in very blue districts).

Biden is a moderate, Terry is a moderate. And the bland moderate politics got nothing - 0, likely worse than progressives. Manchin & Sinema are running the country & 1 will lose the seat to a Republican & the other will lose the primary.

This is sort of an inflection point - The Democratic party is more united behind a progressive agenda than they have ever been in a post-Reagan era - Sure they probably won't support a Medicare-for-all but the transition has largely happened & will be completed in the next 4-5 years !

but even Phil Murphy barley kept his job despite the fact that he was governor of 1 of the bluest states in the county

Honestly, what happened in new jersey is far more worrying than even the results in Virginia and I don't think any Dem in their right mind should go into 2022 believing that only the moderates are in real danger of losing

[😥]

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1456242509018013704?t=Y3hLmkWVOrVe9Farj9GYxA&a...

I hate to say this but Democrats are fairly incompetent in governance. If you want to win elections, you should do something, not just talk. You should pass your agenda, not sink it. People elected you and gave you power to change something in their lives and you can't just say for all your tenure "Oh, it is not ideal. We should take time and change it". If you will take time to change it, you would lose votes, but far more important, you would do harm to country

[American2020]

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1456244440482394124

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

McConnell gave Ds 8 wks to put the Debt Ceiling thru Reconciliation and attach it to Spending bill abd Dec 3rd is D Day for Debt Ceiling

If we don't act now SSA checks and Military checks, will be delayed, but the D's cost Terry a seat without passing infrastructure that Pelosi shod of passed in Sept when Biden Approvals were sky high when Newsom won the recall and then she set Oct 31st and Obama kept Pelosi as Speaker due t Rain Emanuel friendship during the R wave in 2010 it's all her fault

The Spending bill is a wave ered down version, and it can be passed after Nov anyways in the 3T dollar form because D's can still hold the H and Senate and net gain 2-4 Senate seats in this Environment by passing infrastructure


Broadband is being paid for by the Govt temp anyways and Medicare Expansion doesn't happen til 2928

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://twitter.com/eschor/status/1456241462417502213

[riceowl]

Politics-wise I think it'd be kind of a great thing to leave some of these out and let the Congress vote on the individual pieces. Put people on the record voting against paid family leave, Medicare expansion, etc. It'd be a lot more salient than "voted against BBB".

[GP270watch]

The moderates continue losing though - I can see a few Blue Dogs losing primary in 2022 (some of whom are in very blue districts).

Biden is a moderate, Terry is a moderate. And the bland moderate politics got nothing - 0, likely worse than progressives. Manchin & Sinema are running the country & 1 will lose the seat to a Republican & the other will lose the primary.

This is sort of an inflection point - The Democratic party is more united behind a progressive agenda than they have ever been in a post-Reagan era - Sure they probably won't support a Medicare-for-all but the transition has largely happened & will be completed in the next 4-5 years !

but even Phil Murphy barley kept his job despite the fact that he was governor of 1 of the bluest states in the county

Honestly, what happened in new jersey is far more worrying than even the results in Virginia and I don't think any Dem in their right mind should go into 2022 believing that only the moderates are in real danger of losing

 This is not true. Historically the incumbent President has lost both New Jersey and Virginia. Biden only lost one. Phil Murphy is the first Democratic governor to win re-election since 1977.

[Sir Mohamed]

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1456244440482394124

Manchin is still so extremely delusional that he thinks "regular order" is a thing in the senate or that the GOP has any intention to get stuff accomplished. We can get to regular order by nuking the filibuster, but he doesn't want to do this either.

Reality is that beyond his delusion he doesn't even want stuff done because his fossil fuel donors don't want Biden's reforms passed. He's their useful idiot who still thinks it's the good old days where you have compromises and major bills pass with 70 votes or more.

It's just frustrating to see how we blow the (likely) only trifecta we got in this decade by such an attitude.

[GP270watch]

https://twitter.com/NewDay/status/1456244440482394124

Manchin is still so extremely delusional that he thinks "regular order" is a thing in the senate or that the GOP has any intention to get stuff accomplished. We can get to regular order by nuking the filibuster, but he doesn't want to do this either.

Reality is that beyond his delusion he doesn't even want stuff done because his fossil fuel donors don't want Biden's reforms passed. He's their useful idiot who still thinks it's the good old days where you have compromises and major bills pass with 70 votes or more.

It's just frustrating to see how we blow the (likely) only trifecta we got in this decade by such an attitude.

 Manchin isn't really delusional as you went on to clarify. He doesn't like these things and he knows The Senate process is a way to kill it outright or water it down to where it becomes inconsequential or only helps people like him but not the working poor.

[KaiserDave]

Wake me up when this over (which will probably be around Christmas)