Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

[Mr.Phips]

Senator Coons says that Manchin and Sinema support the bill.

https://politicalwire.com/2021/10/28/coons-says-manchin-and-sinema-back-bidens-plan/

Then let’s get it done.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

If Justice Dem self-promoters want to vote against what will undoubtedly be an incredibly popular and influential bill, I say go for it.  Voting NO on the main thing Dems are gonna run on in the 2022 midterms doesn't seem like an ace political move to me, but what do I know, my tweets don't get 168K likes.

I seem to recall throughout 2015-2020 "progressives" justifying their outlandish, unworkable, fantasy-land demands by saying "you have to demand more than you want so you meet in the middle to get what you actually want."  Or some variant of that thinking.  So in this negotiation, Biden started by demanding the most progressive spending plan imaginable, and then the furthest-right members of the caucus pared it down to something that's still pretty good.  But now apparently that "meet in the middle" strategy goes out the window, and if you don't agree to the original demand, we're not going to vote for it.  OK, so the entire thing was in bad faith?  Like these people are just children.  Folks, please stop electing idiot children to Congress -- they don't know how to govern, they don't know how to legislate, they don't know how to negotiate, and all they do is humiliate the party day after day after day.

What exactly did Joe Manchin adn Kyrsten Sinema give up? And why should we believe they aren’t going to just burn the whole thing down the second they get the BIF? And what is the strategy they were deploying by taking aim at the most popular provision in bill (other than to make Sinema’s planned McCain homage and Manchin’s last second hold up for some personal favor easier on them)?

The left has seen every major priority, including stuff Manchin and Sinema themselves campaigned on, get gutted or completely tossed and all they are asking for now is an agreement that they won’t be strong armed into more concessions or see reconciliation nixed entirely and they are the unreasonable ones?

Jesus ing Christ

[KaiserDave]

No Bipartisan Bill until we get reconciliation, not an absurd demand. Trust Manchin and Sinema? Ha!

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Senator Coons says that Manchin and Sinema support the bill.

https://politicalwire.com/2021/10/28/coons-says-manchin-and-sinema-back-bidens-plan/

Then let’s get it done.

Not until they actually vote on it.

Am I the only one that remembers Manchin’s 11th hour hold out on the COVID relief package or the thousands of articles about how Sinema is channeling John McCain?

[KaiserDave]

Exactly right. If you trust those two, I don't know what to tell you.

[GeneralMacArthur]

If Justice Dem self-promoters want to vote against what will undoubtedly be an incredibly popular and influential bill, I say go for it.  Voting NO on the main thing Dems are gonna run on in the 2022 midterms doesn't seem like an ace political move to me, but what do I know, my tweets don't get 168K likes.

I seem to recall throughout 2015-2020 "progressives" justifying their outlandish, unworkable, fantasy-land demands by saying "you have to demand more than you want so you meet in the middle to get what you actually want."  Or some variant of that thinking.  So in this negotiation, Biden started by demanding the most progressive spending plan imaginable, and then the furthest-right members of the caucus pared it down to something that's still pretty good.  But now apparently that "meet in the middle" strategy goes out the window, and if you don't agree to the original demand, we're not going to vote for it.  OK, so the entire thing was in bad faith?  Like these people are just children.  Folks, please stop electing idiot children to Congress -- they don't know how to govern, they don't know how to legislate, they don't know how to negotiate, and all they do is humiliate the party day after day after day.

What exactly did Joe Manchin adn Kyrsten Sinema give up? And why should we believe they aren’t going to just burn the whole thing down the second they get the BIF? And what is the strategy they were deploying by taking aim at the most popular provision in bill (other than to make Sinema’s planned McCain homage and Manchin’s last second hold up for some personal favor easier on them)?

The left has seen every major priority, including stuff Manchin and Sinema themselves campaigned on, get gutted or completely tossed and all they are asking for now is an agreement that they won’t be strong armed into more concessions or see reconciliation nixed entirely and they are the unreasonable ones?

Jesus ing Christ

It's 3 trillion dollars, bro.  Three trillion dollars worth of things that didn't get gutted or tossed out.

[KaiserDave]

If Justice Dem self-promoters want to vote against what will undoubtedly be an incredibly popular and influential bill, I say go for it.  Voting NO on the main thing Dems are gonna run on in the 2022 midterms doesn't seem like an ace political move to me, but what do I know, my tweets don't get 168K likes.

I seem to recall throughout 2015-2020 "progressives" justifying their outlandish, unworkable, fantasy-land demands by saying "you have to demand more than you want so you meet in the middle to get what you actually want."  Or some variant of that thinking.  So in this negotiation, Biden started by demanding the most progressive spending plan imaginable, and then the furthest-right members of the caucus pared it down to something that's still pretty good.  But now apparently that "meet in the middle" strategy goes out the window, and if you don't agree to the original demand, we're not going to vote for it.  OK, so the entire thing was in bad faith?  Like these people are just children.  Folks, please stop electing idiot children to Congress -- they don't know how to govern, they don't know how to legislate, they don't know how to negotiate, and all they do is humiliate the party day after day after day.

What exactly did Joe Manchin adn Kyrsten Sinema give up? And why should we believe they aren’t going to just burn the whole thing down the second they get the BIF? And what is the strategy they were deploying by taking aim at the most popular provision in bill (other than to make Sinema’s planned McCain homage and Manchin’s last second hold up for some personal favor easier on them)?

The left has seen every major priority, including stuff Manchin and Sinema themselves campaigned on, get gutted or completely tossed and all they are asking for now is an agreement that they won’t be strong armed into more concessions or see reconciliation nixed entirely and they are the unreasonable ones?

Jesus ing Christ

It's 3 trillion dollars, bro.  Three trillion dollars worth of things that didn't get gutted or tossed out.

We have important priorities, priorities which you clearly don't care to learn about or don't deem important. These priorities are mainstream liberal ones, ones that Joe Biden supports, and that are incredibly popular. Paid family leave, prescription drug benefit, Medicare expansion. They cut pathetically slashed. We are rightfully upset about these things, especially given the dire need for this policies.

I don't think LV or I would oppose the disappointment Build Back Better package in a vote, but hold up the Bipartisan Bill until it's passed? Yes of course. We don't (rightfully) trust Manchin or Sinema for a second!

[wbrocks67]

We absolutely cannot wait for more and more weeks to pass these two. It's already taken a severe toll on Biden's presidency.

[Hindsight was 2020]

https://mobile.twitter.com/InternetHippo/status/1453724741441757188
Wow how did Biden such a base bill out of Manchin and Sinema

[wbrocks67]

Then why did they keep saying "we need the text, we need the text!" and now they have the text and it's still not good enough.

https://twitter.com/ylanmui/status/1453813477164916743

[Morning in Atlas]

Folks, please stop electing idiot children to Congress -- they don't know how to govern, they don't know how to legislate, they don't know how to negotiate, and all they do is humiliate the party day after day after day.

So I take it you want Speaker McCarthy?

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Then why did they keep saying "we need the text, we need the text!" and now they have the text and it's still not good enough.

https://twitter.com/ylanmui/status/1453813477164916743

Because, again, the text is useless when Manchin can decide at the last minute he’s a no after all unless Gail gets to be Vice President.

[Pres Mike]

I got to admit that it is a kind of wild to see Joe Manchin these days being portrayed as this villain who is looking to backstab a democrat president the first chance he gets

I remember when Joe Manchin stuck his neck out for Obama and put his political career on the line when he tried to help him pass a universal background check bill after sandy hook. This was a red state Dem who in the past had even been supported by the NRA yet there he was going on tv not only to defend Obama but he also tried to help to him pass his background check bill

In the end it was not Joe Manchin, who ended up backstabbing Obama, it was Heidi Heitkamp and 3 other Dems....

Say what will about the Joe Manchin, but he will always have my respect for at least trying to do the right thing after sandy hook at a time when it did not politically benefit him at all to do so

Who were the other three democrats

[KaiserDave]

When someone makes it clear that they are apathetic or even opposed to the President’s agenda, and they repeatedly make it clear that they don’t care, even after massive concessions, why would you give up your only leverage over them?

[7,052,770]

https://twitter.com/SenatorWarnock/status/1453765423992909834?t=607bH86I9JNvZ9Oh...

This is the single greatest thing in the bill, a complete and total game changer for the poor in the non-Medicaid expansion states. Anyone who claims to be on the left who thinks this bill sucks is out of touch with the reality of how so many of our fellow Americans live.

Ending the "Medicaid gap" is HUGE.

[It’s so Joever]

If Justice Dem self-promoters want to vote against what will undoubtedly be an incredibly popular and influential bill, I say go for it.  Voting NO on the main thing Dems are gonna run on in the 2022 midterms doesn't seem like an ace political move to me, but what do I know, my tweets don't get 168K likes.

I seem to recall throughout 2015-2020 "progressives" justifying their outlandish, unworkable, fantasy-land demands by saying "you have to demand more than you want so you meet in the middle to get what you actually want."  Or some variant of that thinking.  So in this negotiation, Biden started by demanding the most progressive spending plan imaginable, and then the furthest-right members of the caucus pared it down to something that's still pretty good.  But now apparently that "meet in the middle" strategy goes out the window, and if you don't agree to the original demand, we're not going to vote for it.  OK, so the entire thing was in bad faith?  Like these people are just children.  Folks, please stop electing idiot children to Congress -- they don't know how to govern, they don't know how to legislate, they don't know how to negotiate, and all they do is humiliate the party day after day after day.

This is grade A quality gaslighting.

[Pericles]

How long until the reconciliation bill gets a Senate vote?

[7,052,770]

If Justice Dem self-promoters want to vote against what will undoubtedly be an incredibly popular and influential bill, I say go for it.  Voting NO on the main thing Dems are gonna run on in the 2022 midterms doesn't seem like an ace political move to me, but what do I know, my tweets don't get 168K likes.

I seem to recall throughout 2015-2020 "progressives" justifying their outlandish, unworkable, fantasy-land demands by saying "you have to demand more than you want so you meet in the middle to get what you actually want."  Or some variant of that thinking.  So in this negotiation, Biden started by demanding the most progressive spending plan imaginable, and then the furthest-right members of the caucus pared it down to something that's still pretty good.  But now apparently that "meet in the middle" strategy goes out the window, and if you don't agree to the original demand, we're not going to vote for it.  OK, so the entire thing was in bad faith?  Like these people are just children.  Folks, please stop electing idiot children to Congress -- they don't know how to govern, they don't know how to legislate, they don't know how to negotiate, and all they do is humiliate the party day after day after day.

This is grade A quality gaslighting.

It's not any worse than people claiming it's a terrible bill that should be voted down.

[Pericles]

If Justice Dem self-promoters want to vote against what will undoubtedly be an incredibly popular and influential bill, I say go for it.  Voting NO on the main thing Dems are gonna run on in the 2022 midterms doesn't seem like an ace political move to me, but what do I know, my tweets don't get 168K likes.

I seem to recall throughout 2015-2020 "progressives" justifying their outlandish, unworkable, fantasy-land demands by saying "you have to demand more than you want so you meet in the middle to get what you actually want."  Or some variant of that thinking.  So in this negotiation, Biden started by demanding the most progressive spending plan imaginable, and then the furthest-right members of the caucus pared it down to something that's still pretty good.  But now apparently that "meet in the middle" strategy goes out the window, and if you don't agree to the original demand, we're not going to vote for it.  OK, so the entire thing was in bad faith?  Like these people are just children.  Folks, please stop electing idiot children to Congress -- they don't know how to govern, they don't know how to legislate, they don't know how to negotiate, and all they do is humiliate the party day after day after day.

This is grade A quality gaslighting.

It's not any worse than people claiming it's a terrible bill that should be voted down.

Those people are a lot worse, or at least more wrong, than people who tactically disagree about exactly when the BIF should be passed.

[wbrocks67]

How long until the reconciliation bill gets a Senate vote?

That's the thing - if the text remains as is, then it should get a vote soon. But then when Sanders says things like "we're on a strong path" or whatever, that puts it up into who knows territory.

If there's no BIF vote today, then they need to vote on the reconcil bil literally this weekend to get this all passed.

[Antonio the Sixth]

How long until the reconciliation bill gets a Senate vote?

Never, if Pelosi gets her way and the BIF passes first.

[😥]

https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1453835249159446532?t=_DSfdtHOthVQdK_k08733A&a...

[KaiserDave]

Glorious news

[Pericles]

So is Pelosi aiming to get a vote in before the Virginia gubernatorial elections? It's hard to see how that would be worth the risk of Manchin or Sinema changing their mind. Maybe she is so confident in their support that she thinks that Youngkin might otherwise win and trigger a wave of swing-district retirements that would not otherwise occur, but it's unwise. It would be great if the reconciliation bill could pass the Senate in the next few days. However, I think we can wait just a little bit longer for the BIF, and it does look like that will happen regardless of what Pelosi says.

[roxas11]

I got to admit that it is a kind of wild to see Joe Manchin these days being portrayed as this villain who is looking to backstab a democrat president the first chance he gets

I remember when Joe Manchin stuck his neck out for Obama and put his political career on the line when he tried to help him pass a universal background check bill after sandy hook. This was a red state Dem who in the past had even been supported by the NRA yet there he was going on tv not only to defend Obama but he also tried to help to him pass his background check bill

In the end it was not Joe Manchin, who ended up backstabbing Obama, it was Heidi Heitkamp and 3 other Dems....

Say what will about the Joe Manchin, but he will always have my respect for at least trying to do the right thing after sandy hook at a time when it did not politically benefit him at all to do so

Who were the other three democrats

Mark Pryor of Arkansas

Max Baucus of Montana

Mark Begich of Alaska