Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

[GP270watch]

Why do I feel like progressives have Joe Biden by the neck? It seems like they have full control over him

He could’ve gone in there and demanded the infrastructure bill receive a vote which would be a win for him and a huge bill for the country that has bipartisan support. He couldn’t even do that.

 If it has bipartisan support why do they need the progressive caucus? The Democratic Party's House edge is 9 seats. If this has bipartisan support why doesn't Kevin McCarthy get his members to replace the 95 Congressional Progressive Caucus members. He wouldn't even need 95 as it's been reported about half of the CPC would vote for a bill if put on the floor.

 Can you answer why this is, honestly.

 And Democrats don't have any stupid "Hastert Rule" either like the Republicans.

[emailking]

Why do I feel like progressives have Joe Biden by the neck? It seems like they have full control over him

He could’ve gone in there and demanded the infrastructure bill receive a vote which would be a win for him and a huge bill for the country that has bipartisan support. He couldn’t even do that.

 If it has bipartisan support why do they need the progressive caucus? The Democratic Party's House edge is 9 seats. If this has bipartisan support why doesn't Kevin McCarthy get his members to replace the 95 Congressional Progressive Caucus members. He wouldn't even need 95 as it's been reported about half of the CPC would vote for a bill if put on the floor.

 Can you answer why this is, honestly.

 And Democrats don't have any stupid "Hastert Rule" either like the Republicans.

The Republican House leadership was whipping against the bill. If they didn't who knows. But as it is there's only a handful of Republican votes for it in the House.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Why do I feel like progressives have Joe Biden by the neck? It seems like they have full control over him

He could’ve gone in there and demanded the infrastructure bill receive a vote which would be a win for him and a huge bill for the country that has bipartisan support. He couldn’t even do that.

Because you’ve misjudged the situation. Joe Biden and virtually the entire Democratic caucus have been on a dual track process since this whole thing began.

Passing the BIF yesterday would have killed the rest of his agenda.

Passing a popular bipartisan bill (something Biden campaigned on) that would provide funding for new roads, bridges, and broadband Internet would’ve killed his agenda?!

As a substitute for the bill that does that and much more, that hasn’t included concessions to get the half-hearted approval of a handful Republicans?
Yes, yes it does.

It has been clear since their catspaws in the house tried to force a separate vote that either the two Senators intended to walk as soon as they got a ‘bipartisan win’ or that the agreement was that Sinema writes the BIF and Manchin writes the reconciliation package, and the other 98 Senators, 435 Reps, and the White House could get bent.

To paraphrase Joe Manchin, if they wanted to create the administration’s agenda, they should have run for President.

[GP270watch]

Why do I feel like progressives have Joe Biden by the neck? It seems like they have full control over him

He could’ve gone in there and demanded the infrastructure bill receive a vote which would be a win for him and a huge bill for the country that has bipartisan support. He couldn’t even do that.

 If it has bipartisan support why do they need the progressive caucus? The Democratic Party's House edge is 9 seats. If this has bipartisan support why doesn't Kevin McCarthy get his members to replace the 95 Congressional Progressive Caucus members. He wouldn't even need 95 as it's been reported about half of the CPC would vote for a bill if put on the floor.

 Can you answer why this is, honestly.

 And Democrats don't have any stupid "Hastert Rule" either like the Republicans.

The Republican House leadership was whipping against the bill. If they didn't who knows. But as it is there's only a handful of Republican votes for it in the House.

So maybe we should stop saying it's a bipartisan bill and we definitely shouldn't stop pointing out that The GOP sucks.

[Pericles]

Is McCarthy just opposing the BIF so strongly because Trump is making him? Since the BIF passing is supposed to make it a lot more likely Manchin and Sinema then vote down reconciliation, why can't the Republicans give it enough votes to pass?

[roxas11]

Is McCarthy just opposing the BIF so strongly because Trump is making him? Since the BIF passing is supposed to make it a lot more likely Manchin and Sinema then vote down reconciliation, why can't the Republicans give it enough votes to pass?

because Trump has already said that he will see any vote from Republicans for the bipartisan infrastructure bill as an act of disloyalty towards him and This is the main reason why most house Republicans have already said that they will not support the bill

That is also a big reason why Kevin McCarthy is so opposed to it despite the fact that even Mitch McConnell voted for it in the senate

[GP270watch]

Is McCarthy just opposing the BIF so strongly because Trump is making him? Since the BIF passing is supposed to make it a lot more likely Manchin and Sinema then vote down reconciliation, why can't the Republicans give it enough votes to pass?

because Trump has already said that he will see any vote from Republicans for the bipartisan infrastructure bill as an act of disloyalty towards him and This is the main reason why most house Republicans have already said that they will not support the bill

What was their excuse under Obama?

[randomusername]

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1444355616613539854?s=10

Sinema looks to be demanding a vote. No idea how she’ll react if it goes down. Probably willing to tank everything now or then if she doesn’t get some victory.

The Karen of the Senate.

[politicallefty]

Is McCarthy just opposing the BIF so strongly because Trump is making him? Since the BIF passing is supposed to make it a lot more likely Manchin and Sinema then vote down reconciliation, why can't the Republicans give it enough votes to pass?

That's what's most puzzling. With Pelosi promising a vote, Republicans could've cut the ground from under the CPC. All they had to do was supply enough votes. President Biden's meeting with Speaker Pelosi and House Democrats has pretty much eliminated any possibility of a BIF vote before any real action on reconciliation. This is his agenda and he himself has linked the two bills.

What I find most interesting is that Pelosi herself has apparently been talking to both Manchin and Sinema. Sinema used to be in the House, but she only voted for Pelosi for Speaker in 2013. Every other time she voted for John Lewis. It's all the more worse that he's no longer with us. Maybe he could've talked some sense into her.

You also have to appreciate the irony of someone talking about a betrayal of trust when she's doing just that to those that sent her to the Senate.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1444355616613539854?s=10
Sinema looks to be demanding a vote. No idea how she’ll react if it goes down. Probably willing to tank everything now or then if she doesn’t get some victory.

The Karen of the Senate.

It’s especially funny that she’s talking about publicity stunts given that Axios, Politico, and the Hill have all been running slightly tweaked versions of the same fanning profile piece about her all week.
Either they are copying each other’s ‘work’ or, more likely, her office sent them an outline.

[roxas11]

From my point of view Trump may have single handedly helped both Nancy and progressive Dems when comes to getting both bills passed and if Biden does end up getting both, he can thank Trump for making it all possible

Had Trump not come out so strongly against the bipartisan bill at the start than Kevin McCarthy and house republican would have never felt pressured to oppose a popular infrastructure bill that even Mitch McConnell voted for. Because of Trump there is now zero chance that most republicans in the house will ever help moderate Dems pass their infrastructure bill

Not only did Trump lack of support, strengthen the progressive Dems plan to link both bills together, it also made moderate Dems like foolish for thinking that the house Republicans were ever going to help them pass a stand alone bill in the first place

There is no doubt in my mind that had Trump actually came out in support of the bipartisan bill Nancy and progressives would be in big trouble right about now because house republicans would have given the moderate Dems the political cover to vote for a stand alone infrastructure bill and kill the reconciliation bill

[GP270watch]

Don't forget that Nancy and Chuck also negotiated under the Trump Presidency for a bipartisan infrastructure bill and got a agreement in principle for $2 trillion, then Trump threw a hissy fit about investigations. Trump tried to leverage oversight over his misdeeds against the infrastructure deal and blew the whole thing up when he didn't get his way.

 So Trump deserves credit for nothing.

[roxas11]

Don't forget that Nancy and Chuck also negotiated under the Trump Presidency for a bipartisan infrastructure bill and got a agreement in principle for $2 trillion, then Trump threw a hissy fit about investigations and tried to leverage oversight over his misdeeds against the deal and blew the whole thing up when he didn't get his way.

 So Trump deserves credit for nothing.

I disagree

Trump deserves a lot of credit....... for being the incompetent buffoon who helped kill the GOP chances of reclaiming the senate during the Georgia runoff elections lol

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

From my point of view Trump may have single handedly helped both Nancy and progressive Dems when comes to getting both bills passed and if Biden does end up getting both, he can thank Trump for making it all possible

Had Trump not come out so strongly against the bipartisan bill at the start than Kevin McCarthy and house republican would have never felt pressured to oppose a popular infrastructure bill that even Mitch McConnell voted for. Because of Trump there is now zero chance that most republicans in the house will ever help moderate Dems pass their infrastructure bill

Not only did Trump lack of support, strengthen the progressive Dems plan to link both bills together, it also made moderate Dems like foolish for thinking that the house Republicans were ever going to help them pass a stand alone bill in the first place

There is no doubt in my mind that had Trump actually came out in support of the bipartisan bill Nancy and progressives would be in big trouble right about now because house republicans would have given the moderate Dems the political cover to vote for a stand alone infrastructure bill and kill the reconciliation bill

This bill is a Spending bill on infrastructure and Climate change and Health Care Expansion it's not a Student Loans Reform bill ot Stimulus checks, anymore, although it's a good piece of Legislation, it fall short and it's not gonna be 4.75T it's GONNA be together 1.2 infrastructure and 1=5T in Health care


Free stuff in Community college isn't gonna be there at least not this yr, after Midterms yes

Community college is already free it's called Pell Grants

Where is the 10K in Student Loan or 50K Student Loan Debt that Biden promised to Eradicate

I forgot, he voted for Bankruptcy Reform bill in 2005 that ended Student Loan Forgiveness unless it's a Hardship discharge

[KaiserDave]

So what happened, for anyone paying attention, is that the Biden admin saw off an intraparty challenge from a fringe group and got his party back on track.

What the media by and large is reporting is reporting it as some huge loss for the President and Democratic leadership and Democrats are collapsing. Other than some weird behavior from Pelosi, Democratic leadership has made it pretty clear that they hadn’t deviated at all from the original line of we are passing the whole package and the power play from 11 congressmen didn’t change that.

I think they are so used to hippie punching that the idea that the right (and in this case the extreme rightward fringe) being the issue just doesn’t compute.

You cherry-pick what you want to hear and ignore the rest. Yes, Biden got the infrastructure vote delayed, but he also conceded that "what Manchin and Sinema will accept" dictates what's in the reconciliation bill. This all but assures that progressive priorities will be cut down substantially if not cut out. The magic trick that Biden pulled was that somehow the progressives are claiming it as a win instead of realizing what is about to happen.

I'm going to say it again, once the final deal comes out, you won't be high-fiving any more.   So have fun pretending you've won because you won't be able to keep up the delusion for long.

You completely misunderstand progressives are going for but that’s not surprising

Cope

You were the one a few days ago claiming that the $3.5T will pass; there was zero talk of cutting it down. You were the one a few days ago actively bashing the infrastructure bill. But you'll try to claim that the infrastructure bill and the watered down reconciliation bill, likely without climate provisions or prescription drug pricing, is a win for progressives? Now THAT is coping.

Aside from your delusional and complete misunderstanding of where progressives stand (I mean really man, you have no idea). Please tell me where I said 3.5 trillion will pass.

Also most everything you say reeks of elitism and apathy towards common people.

[compucomp]

So what happened, for anyone paying attention, is that the Biden admin saw off an intraparty challenge from a fringe group and got his party back on track.

What the media by and large is reporting is reporting it as some huge loss for the President and Democratic leadership and Democrats are collapsing. Other than some weird behavior from Pelosi, Democratic leadership has made it pretty clear that they hadn’t deviated at all from the original line of we are passing the whole package and the power play from 11 congressmen didn’t change that.

I think they are so used to hippie punching that the idea that the right (and in this case the extreme rightward fringe) being the issue just doesn’t compute.

You cherry-pick what you want to hear and ignore the rest. Yes, Biden got the infrastructure vote delayed, but he also conceded that "what Manchin and Sinema will accept" dictates what's in the reconciliation bill. This all but assures that progressive priorities will be cut down substantially if not cut out. The magic trick that Biden pulled was that somehow the progressives are claiming it as a win instead of realizing what is about to happen.

I'm going to say it again, once the final deal comes out, you won't be high-fiving any more.   So have fun pretending you've won because you won't be able to keep up the delusion for long.

You completely misunderstand progressives are going for but that’s not surprising

Cope

You were the one a few days ago claiming that the $3.5T will pass; there was zero talk of cutting it down. You were the one a few days ago actively bashing the infrastructure bill. But you'll try to claim that the infrastructure bill and the watered down reconciliation bill, likely without climate provisions or prescription drug pricing, is a win for progressives? Now THAT is coping.

Aside from your delusional and complete misunderstanding of where progressives stand (I mean really man, you have no idea). Please tell me where I said 3.5 trillion will pass.

Also most everything you say reeks of elitism and apathy towards common people.

As of Thursday night, progressives had the following stance, "$3.5T, not a penny less, if moderates won't agree we kill the infrastructure bill." Go back a few pages in this thread, it was all over there, you guys were spamming it. Zero talk of cutting down the bill. From that stance, the only way progressives could win is if that $3.5T actually passed; anything else is a loss. Now, if you didn't take that hardline stance, you could easily claim now that infrastructure + $2T bill is a win, but I'm going not going to let you get away with rewriting history from literally two days ago.

[KaiserDave]

So what happened, for anyone paying attention, is that the Biden admin saw off an intraparty challenge from a fringe group and got his party back on track.

What the media by and large is reporting is reporting it as some huge loss for the President and Democratic leadership and Democrats are collapsing. Other than some weird behavior from Pelosi, Democratic leadership has made it pretty clear that they hadn’t deviated at all from the original line of we are passing the whole package and the power play from 11 congressmen didn’t change that.

I think they are so used to hippie punching that the idea that the right (and in this case the extreme rightward fringe) being the issue just doesn’t compute.

You cherry-pick what you want to hear and ignore the rest. Yes, Biden got the infrastructure vote delayed, but he also conceded that "what Manchin and Sinema will accept" dictates what's in the reconciliation bill. This all but assures that progressive priorities will be cut down substantially if not cut out. The magic trick that Biden pulled was that somehow the progressives are claiming it as a win instead of realizing what is about to happen.

I'm going to say it again, once the final deal comes out, you won't be high-fiving any more.   So have fun pretending you've won because you won't be able to keep up the delusion for long.

You completely misunderstand progressives are going for but that’s not surprising

Cope

You were the one a few days ago claiming that the $3.5T will pass; there was zero talk of cutting it down. You were the one a few days ago actively bashing the infrastructure bill. But you'll try to claim that the infrastructure bill and the watered down reconciliation bill, likely without climate provisions or prescription drug pricing, is a win for progressives? Now THAT is coping.

Aside from your delusional and complete misunderstanding of where progressives stand (I mean really man, you have no idea). Please tell me where I said 3.5 trillion will pass.

Also most everything you say reeks of elitism and apathy towards common people.

As of Thursday night, progressives had the following stance, "$3.5T, not a penny less, if moderates won't agree we kill the infrastructure bill." Go back a few pages in this thread, it was all over there, you guys were spamming it. Zero talk of cutting down the bill. From that stance, the only way progressives could win is if that $3.5T actually passed; anything else is a loss. Now, if you didn't take that hardline stance, you could easily claim now that infrastructure + $2T bill is a win, but I'm going not going to let you get away with rewriting history from literally two days ago.

You're just making things up now    . Wowee.

[compucomp]

So what happened, for anyone paying attention, is that the Biden admin saw off an intraparty challenge from a fringe group and got his party back on track.

What the media by and large is reporting is reporting it as some huge loss for the President and Democratic leadership and Democrats are collapsing. Other than some weird behavior from Pelosi, Democratic leadership has made it pretty clear that they hadn’t deviated at all from the original line of we are passing the whole package and the power play from 11 congressmen didn’t change that.

I think they are so used to hippie punching that the idea that the right (and in this case the extreme rightward fringe) being the issue just doesn’t compute.

You cherry-pick what you want to hear and ignore the rest. Yes, Biden got the infrastructure vote delayed, but he also conceded that "what Manchin and Sinema will accept" dictates what's in the reconciliation bill. This all but assures that progressive priorities will be cut down substantially if not cut out. The magic trick that Biden pulled was that somehow the progressives are claiming it as a win instead of realizing what is about to happen.

I'm going to say it again, once the final deal comes out, you won't be high-fiving any more.   So have fun pretending you've won because you won't be able to keep up the delusion for long.

You completely misunderstand progressives are going for but that’s not surprising

Cope

You were the one a few days ago claiming that the $3.5T will pass; there was zero talk of cutting it down. You were the one a few days ago actively bashing the infrastructure bill. But you'll try to claim that the infrastructure bill and the watered down reconciliation bill, likely without climate provisions or prescription drug pricing, is a win for progressives? Now THAT is coping.

Aside from your delusional and complete misunderstanding of where progressives stand (I mean really man, you have no idea). Please tell me where I said 3.5 trillion will pass.

Also most everything you say reeks of elitism and apathy towards common people.

As of Thursday night, progressives had the following stance, "$3.5T, not a penny less, if moderates won't agree we kill the infrastructure bill." Go back a few pages in this thread, it was all over there, you guys were spamming it. Zero talk of cutting down the bill. From that stance, the only way progressives could win is if that $3.5T actually passed; anything else is a loss. Now, if you didn't take that hardline stance, you could easily claim now that infrastructure + $2T bill is a win, but I'm going not going to let you get away with rewriting history from literally two days ago.

You're just making things up now    . Wowee.

No U

[Frodo]

https://twitter.com/BerkleyBearNews/status/1444679659245879298

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

https://twitter.com/BerkleyBearNews/status/1444679659245879298

No sh**t

The obsession over the total number (btw, not a ‘price tag’, these numbers are gross spending not net no matter how much a certain wine-soaked dumbass likes to pretend) is silly.
We are getting the rest of the package, with some modifications because Joe Manchin is a trash person.
I.e. what everyone agreed to this summer.

[KaiserDave]

Not some kind of surprise at all, I have been expecting 2 trillion for months now.

[indietraveler]

Yeah ultimately I think we'll get something that passes, even if the total amount is significantly lower. I think progressives are pushing for more to push the moderates to the left, but will fully be on board with the final bill. Sinema seems to be the bigger issue than Manchin.

[American2020]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1444677674342002690

[Frodo]

Yeah ultimately I think we'll get something that passes, even if the total amount is significantly lower. I think progressives are pushing for more to push the moderates to the left, but will fully be on board with the final bill. Sinema seems to be the bigger issue than Manchin.

I think as long as the final bill is closer to $2.5 trillion (the upper end of the final predicted amount), I will be happy with it. 

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

2.5 or 2T dollar has always been the compromised amount but the D's can always amend the Bill should they win in 2022, which appears very likely