Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

[emailking]

I don't even know what that means.

Either the infrastructure bill gets passed or it doesn't.

It's that simple.

Infrastructure was split into 2 parts so there could be a bipartisan component. The bipartisan bill has a fraction of what was in the original plan. So you're saying just pass it, but keep in mind it's only a fraction of the original infrastructure plans as far as all but like 10  Congressmen are concerned.

[pppolitics]

Progressives can't cave. If the coporatists won't play ball, then kill their precious "bipartisan" bill. 2022 is going to be a blood bath, and if Democrats can't pass this popular, important reconciliation bill, then they deserve every bit of what's coming.

That's like a suicide bomber demanding a ransom for not blowing up everyone.

You've got your analogies backward. The BIF was created at the insistence of Sinema and Manchin, to give them a big showy win for bipartisanship in exchange for starting work on the actual BBB through reconciliation,with the understanding that both would pass at the same time.
Now they are demanding that they won't do anything until their pay-off is complete.

Pass the infrastructure bill right now.

There is literally no reason to hold it back.

If you pass 20% of the infrastructure bill now, the other 80% will be killed.

I don't see how you are not getting that.

I don't even know what that means.

Either the infrastructure bill gets passed or it doesn't.

It's that simple.

The ‘infrastructure’ bill is 20ish% of the initial infrastructure package that was lopped off to create a bipartisan package that Sinema (in particular) and Manchin could take credit for. It passed the Senate, despite some of the most popular and important pieces being left out at Republican insistence and the vast majority of Senate Dems and all Reps beings cut out of the negotiation, on the guarantee that it would be coupled with a reconciliation package.
If you pass that bill now, the reconciliation package doesn’t happen.

No.

There is an infrastructure bill and there is a reconciliation bill.

[pppolitics]

I don't even know what that means.

Either the infrastructure bill gets passed or it doesn't.

It's that simple.

Infrastructure was split into 2 parts so there could be a bipartisan component. The bipartisan bill has a fraction of what was in the original plan. So you're saying just pass it, but keep in mind it's only a fraction of the original infrastructure plans as far as all but like 10  Congressmen are concerned.

He was using the wrong terminology.

There is an infrastructure bill and there is a reconciliation bill.

[emailking]

He was using the wrong terminology.

There is an infrastructure bill and there is a reconciliation bill.

So you keep saying and I guess that's one way of looking at it, but they're both infrastructure so there's really 2  infrastructure bills, originally just 1, bigger,  infrastructure bill.

[pppolitics]

He was using the wrong terminology.

There is an infrastructure bill and there is a reconciliation bill.

So you keep saying and I guess that's one way of looking at it, but they're both infrastructure so there's really 2  infrastructure bills, originally just 1, bigger,  infrastructure bill.

Correct terminology should be used to avoid confusion.

There is no reason why the infrastructure bill shouldn't be passed right now.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

I don't even know what that means.

Either the infrastructure bill gets passed or it doesn't.

It's that simple.

Infrastructure was split into 2 parts so there could be a bipartisan component. The bipartisan bill has a fraction of what was in the original plan. So you're saying just pass it, but keep in mind it's only a fraction of the original infrastructure plans as far as all but like 10  Congressmen are concerned.

He was using the wrong terminology.

There is an infrastructure bill and there is a reconciliation bill.

No there isn’t an ‘infrastructure bill’ and a ‘reconciliation bill’, there is a single infrastructure package split into two at the demand of Sinema and Manchin, one passed through regular order and one to be passed through reconciliation.

The convention of calling the former an infrastructure bill is an artifact of the Republican message from the package was first rolled out, that only roads and bridges are infrastructure.

[Ferguson97]

Good old Joe Manchin is once agian proving that he is always on both sides of ever issue...

He's still more predictable than Sinema.

Yeah, Manchin will reliably take a firm stance on both sides of the issue.

Sinema doesn’t even take a stance on anything

[pppolitics]

I don't even know what that means.

Either the infrastructure bill gets passed or it doesn't.

It's that simple.

Infrastructure was split into 2 parts so there could be a bipartisan component. The bipartisan bill has a fraction of what was in the original plan. So you're saying just pass it, but keep in mind it's only a fraction of the original infrastructure plans as far as all but like 10  Congressmen are concerned.

He was using the wrong terminology.

There is an infrastructure bill and there is a reconciliation bill.

No there isn’t an ‘infrastructure bill’ and a ‘reconciliation bill’, there is a single infrastructure package split into two at the demand of Sinema and Manchin, one passed through regular order and one to be passed through reconciliation.

The convention of calling the former an infrastructure bill is an artifact of the Republican message from the package was first rolled out, that only roads and bridges are infrastructure.

Whatever.

There is no reason the infrastructure bill shouldn't be passed right now.

Leave reconciliation bill for another day.

[emailking]

Correct terminology should be used to avoid confusion.

There is no reason why the infrastructure bill shouldn't be passed right now.

I don't really agree the terminologies are incorrect.

And it can't be passed right now because Pelosi hasn't put it on the floor.

[pppolitics]

Correct terminology should be used to avoid confusion.

There is no reason why the infrastructure bill shouldn't be passed right now.

I don't really agree the terminologies are incorrect.

And it can't be passed right now because Pelosi hasn't put it on the floor.

Put the infrastructure bill on the floor and pass it.

After that, they can work on finishing the reconciliation bill.

[compucomp]

Progressives can't cave. If the coporatists won't play ball, then kill their precious "bipartisan" bill. 2022 is going to be a blood bath, and if Democrats can't pass this popular, important reconciliation bill, then they deserve every bit of what's coming.

That's like a suicide bomber demanding a ransom for not blowing up everyone.

You've got your analogies backward. The BIF was created at the insistence of Sinema and Manchin, to give them a big showy win for bipartisanship in exchange for starting work on the actual BBB through reconciliation,with the understanding that both would pass at the same time.
Now they are demanding that they won't do anything until their pay-off is complete.

Pass the infrastructure bill right now.

There is literally no reason to hold it back.

If you pass 20% of the infrastructure bill now, the other 80% will be killed.

I don't see how you are not getting that.

You're just abusing the plain English meaning of words now. By no reasonable definition could you call the reconciliation bill "infrastructure".

I do understand why you're doing it, though, since if you called the reconciliation bill a welfare and wealth redistribution bill, which is what it is, it wouldn't have any hope of passing.

[emailking]

Well, put the infrastructure bill on the floor and pass it.

After that, they can work on finishing the reconciliation bill.

I can't do it lol. She said she'll put it on the floor when it has the votes.

[7,052,770]

He was using the wrong terminology.

There is an infrastructure bill and there is a reconciliation bill.

So you keep saying and I guess that's one way of looking at it, but they're both infrastructure so there's really 2  infrastructure bills, originally just 1, bigger,  infrastructure bill.

Correct terminology should be used to avoid confusion.

There is no reason why the infrastructure bill shouldn't be passed right now.

There is no reason why the Build Back Better bill shouldn't be passed right now.

They're aren't 218 and 50+1 enthusiastic Yes votes on both, but there should be on one or the other, so that's why they have to be combined.

If you vote for just 1 (either 1), you run the risk of the group that wants that bill to leave the other side hanging out to dry. By joining them, both sides agree to vote for the other to get what they want. Moreover, this was already agreed upon by both sides, so nobody should be "altering the agreement" at this point anyway. Stonewall Sinema and all the rest should keep their word and support the President's agenda that America put him in the White House and gave him a trifecta to pass.

[pppolitics]

Well, put the infrastructure bill on the floor and pass it.

After that, they can work on finishing the reconciliation bill.

I can't do it lol. She said she'll put it on the floor when it has the votes.

That's because the so-called "progressive" are holding the infrastructure bill hostage.

[KaiserDave]

Who cares if the reconciliation bill is infrastructure or not? It's good and it's more important than the bipartisan bill.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Progressives can't cave. If the coporatists won't play ball, then kill their precious "bipartisan" bill. 2022 is going to be a blood bath, and if Democrats can't pass this popular, important reconciliation bill, then they deserve every bit of what's coming.

That's like a suicide bomber demanding a ransom for not blowing up everyone.

You've got your analogies backward. The BIF was created at the insistence of Sinema and Manchin, to give them a big showy win for bipartisanship in exchange for starting work on the actual BBB through reconciliation,with the understanding that both would pass at the same time.
Now they are demanding that they won't do anything until their pay-off is complete.

Pass the infrastructure bill right now.

There is literally no reason to hold it back.

If you pass 20% of the infrastructure bill now, the other 80% will be killed.

I don't see how you are not getting that.

You're just abusing the plain English meaning of words now. By no reasonable definition could you call the reconciliation bill "infrastructure".

I do understand why you're doing it, though, since if you called the reconciliation bill a welfare and wealth redistribution bill, which is what it is, it wouldn't have any hope of passing.

Hospitals, schools, and energy production aren't infrastructure now?
I know that was the Republican line like two months ago, but you guys can drop that now.

[7,052,770]

Correct terminology should be used to avoid confusion.

There is no reason why the infrastructure bill shouldn't be passed right now.

I don't really agree the terminologies are incorrect.

And it can't be passed right now because Pelosi hasn't put it on the floor.

Put the infrastructure bill on the floor and pass it.

After that, they can work on finishing the reconciliation bill.

How about the moderate side keeps their promise and lets both sides win rather than just themselves?

[emailking]

Well, put the infrastructure bill on the floor and pass it.

After that, they can work on finishing the reconciliation bill.

I can't do it lol. She said she'll put it on the floor when it has the votes.

That's because the so-called "progressive" are holding the infrastructure bill hostage.

I mean, we went through this before. I asked can't you say Manchin is holding reconciliation hostage and you said that's ok because he's from West Virginia.

[pppolitics]

He was using the wrong terminology.

There is an infrastructure bill and there is a reconciliation bill.

So you keep saying and I guess that's one way of looking at it, but they're both infrastructure so there's really 2  infrastructure bills, originally just 1, bigger,  infrastructure bill.

Correct terminology should be used to avoid confusion.

There is no reason why the infrastructure bill shouldn't be passed right now.

There is no reason why the Build Back Better bill shouldn't be passed right now.

They're aren't 218 and 50+1 enthusiastic Yes votes on both, but there should be on one or the other, so that's why they have to be combined.

If you vote for just 1 (either 1), you run the risk of the group that wants that bill to leave the other side hanging out to dry. By joining them, both sides agree to vote for the other to get what they want. Moreover, this was already agreed upon by both sides, so nobody should be "altering the agreement" at this point anyway. Stonewall Sinema and all the rest should keep their word and support the President's agenda that America put him in the White House and gave him a trifecta to pass.

There is no reason why the infrastructure bill should be held up.

It should be passed immediately.

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Robert Byrd would have held it hostage until he got more money for WV, and then he'd have voted for it.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

He was using the wrong terminology.

There is an infrastructure bill and there is a reconciliation bill.

So you keep saying and I guess that's one way of looking at it, but they're both infrastructure so there's really 2  infrastructure bills, originally just 1, bigger,  infrastructure bill.

Correct terminology should be used to avoid confusion.

There is no reason why the infrastructure bill shouldn't be passed right now.

There is no reason why the Build Back Better bill shouldn't be passed right now.

They're aren't 218 and 50+1 enthusiastic Yes votes on both, but there should be on one or the other, so that's why they have to be combined.

If you vote for just 1 (either 1), you run the risk of the group that wants that bill to leave the other side hanging out to dry. By joining them, both sides agree to vote for the other to get what they want. Moreover, this was already agreed upon by both sides, so nobody should be "altering the agreement" at this point anyway. Stonewall Sinema and all the rest should keep their word and support the President's agenda that America put him in the White House and gave him a trifecta to pass.

There is no reason why the infrastructure bill should be held up.

It should be passed immediately.

Then the reconciliation package (because you insist on using the Republican messaging) will be dead.

If you want the BIF passed so badly, you should be directing your ire at Sinema and Manchin, who have held the reconciliation end hostage.

[pppolitics]

Correct terminology should be used to avoid confusion.

There is no reason why the infrastructure bill shouldn't be passed right now.

I don't really agree the terminologies are incorrect.

And it can't be passed right now because Pelosi hasn't put it on the floor.

Put the infrastructure bill on the floor and pass it.

After that, they can work on finishing the reconciliation bill.

How about the moderate side keeps their promise and lets both sides win rather than just themselves?

LOL

Do so-called "progressives" naive enough to think that they have leverage over Manchin?

He will vote for the reconciliation bill when he wants to and holding the infrastructure bill hostage makes no difference.

[7,052,770]

He was using the wrong terminology.

There is an infrastructure bill and there is a reconciliation bill.

So you keep saying and I guess that's one way of looking at it, but they're both infrastructure so there's really 2  infrastructure bills, originally just 1, bigger,  infrastructure bill.

Correct terminology should be used to avoid confusion.

There is no reason why the infrastructure bill shouldn't be passed right now.

There is no reason why the Build Back Better bill shouldn't be passed right now.

They're aren't 218 and 50+1 enthusiastic Yes votes on both, but there should be on one or the other, so that's why they have to be combined.

If you vote for just 1 (either 1), you run the risk of the group that wants that bill to leave the other side hanging out to dry. By joining them, both sides agree to vote for the other to get what they want. Moreover, this was already agreed upon by both sides, so nobody should be "altering the agreement" at this point anyway. Stonewall Sinema and all the rest should keep their word and support the President's agenda that America put him in the White House and gave him a trifecta to pass.

There is no reason why the infrastructure bill should be held up.

It should be passed immediately.

I don't know what else to tell you. You said that, I gave you the reason why it can't be passed immediately, and then you just said "there is no reason" again.

Pass both bills immediately and both wings of the party win, and most importantly, America wins.

[pppolitics]

He was using the wrong terminology.

There is an infrastructure bill and there is a reconciliation bill.

So you keep saying and I guess that's one way of looking at it, but they're both infrastructure so there's really 2  infrastructure bills, originally just 1, bigger,  infrastructure bill.

Correct terminology should be used to avoid confusion.

There is no reason why the infrastructure bill shouldn't be passed right now.

There is no reason why the Build Back Better bill shouldn't be passed right now.

They're aren't 218 and 50+1 enthusiastic Yes votes on both, but there should be on one or the other, so that's why they have to be combined.

If you vote for just 1 (either 1), you run the risk of the group that wants that bill to leave the other side hanging out to dry. By joining them, both sides agree to vote for the other to get what they want. Moreover, this was already agreed upon by both sides, so nobody should be "altering the agreement" at this point anyway. Stonewall Sinema and all the rest should keep their word and support the President's agenda that America put him in the White House and gave him a trifecta to pass.

There is no reason why the infrastructure bill should be held up.

It should be passed immediately.

Then the reconciliation package (because you insist on using the Republican messaging) will be dead.

If you want the BIF passed so badly, you should be directing your ire at Sinema and Manchin, who have held the reconciliation end hostage.

You are just spitting non-sense.

Manchin will vote for the reconciliation bill when he wants to and holding the infrastructure bill hostage makes no difference.

[7,052,770]

LOL

Do so-called "progressives" naive enough to think that they have leverage over Manchin?

He will vote for the reconciliation bill when he wants to and holding the infrastructure bill hostage makes no difference.

Manchin's not the issue here. He's going to keep his promise.