Biden infrastructure/tax increase megathread

[Frodo]

With Biden's American Jobs Plan (albeit much shrunken) on the road to becoming the law of the land, should we start a separate thread for the American Families' Plan in the form of the $3.5 trillion budget bill being pushed by Senate Democrats under reconciliation, or shall we continue using this same thread for that too?  

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

With Biden's American Jobs Plan (albeit much shrunken) on the road to becoming the law of the land, should we start a separate thread for the American Families' Plan in the form of the $3.5 trillion budget bill being pushed by Senate Democrats under reconciliation, or shall we continue using this same thread for that too?  

I would keep it on the same thread. Especially since the House won't pass anything until at least late September and there's no real reason for us to be jumping between threads for the next couple months or so.

[brucejoel99]

With Biden's American Jobs Plan (albeit much shrunken) on the road to becoming the law of the land, should we start a separate thread for the American Families' Plan in the form of the $3.5 trillion budget bill being pushed by Senate Democrats under reconciliation, or shall we continue using this same thread for that too? 

I would keep it on the same thread. Especially since the House won't pass anything until at least late September and there's no real reason for us to be jumping between threads for the next couple months or so.

Especially since much of the AJP as originally envisioned is likely being included in the reconciliation package anyway.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Looks like Biden has pulled off an historic, bipartisan achievement. Where are all the very smart media people now who called him a senile old fool for even trying? When will the President receive their formal, preferably written, apologies?

Hard to see it as historic achievement when allot more could and god willing will be done without the GOP. Granted, the problem is Senate prima donnas and not the president, but I don’t see any value in doing half as much in order to get some bipartisan comity.

[Obama-Biden Democrat]

Heres Trump's view:
Trump slams McConnell, infrastructure package: 'A disgrace'

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/566838-trump-slams-mcconnell-infrastructure-package-a-disgrace

Former President Trump on Saturday slammed the Senate's $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package just hours before the upper chamber is scheduled to vote on winding down debate, calling the bill a “disgrace” and pushing Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to negotiate a better deal.

The ex-commander in chief issued the message from his Save America PAC, accusing Republican leaders of satisfying the policy agenda of Democrats and telling GOP senators to think “twice before you approve this terrible deal.”

“Joe Biden’s infrastructure bill is a disgrace,” Trump wrote. “If Mitch McConnell was smart, which we’ve seen no evidence of, he would use the debt ceiling card to negotiate a good infrastructure package.”

Trump went on to express doubt that lawmakers have actually read through the entirety of the 2,700-page infrastructure proposal, arguing, “They would have needed to take speed reading courses.”

“It is a gift to the Democrat Party, compliments of Mitch McConnell and some RINOs [Republicans in name only], who have no idea what they are doing,” he added.

Trump, who has used his platform in recent months to throw his support behind allied congressional candidates running in 2022, warned Saturday that the “infrastructure bill will be used against the Republican Party in the upcoming elections in 2022 and 2024.”

Biden got infrastructure done in 7 months, while Trump failed after 4 years of infrastructure weeks.

[KaiserDave]

Shrug


Waiting for reconciliation

[President Johnson]

Heres Trump's view:
Trump slams McConnell, infrastructure package: 'A disgrace'

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/566838-trump-slams-mcconnell-infrastructure-package-a-disgrace

Former President Trump on Saturday slammed the Senate's $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package just hours before the upper chamber is scheduled to vote on winding down debate, calling the bill a “disgrace” and pushing Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to negotiate a better deal.

The ex-commander in chief issued the message from his Save America PAC, accusing Republican leaders of satisfying the policy agenda of Democrats and telling GOP senators to think “twice before you approve this terrible deal.”

“Joe Biden’s infrastructure bill is a disgrace,” Trump wrote. “If Mitch McConnell was smart, which we’ve seen no evidence of, he would use the debt ceiling card to negotiate a good infrastructure package.”

Trump went on to express doubt that lawmakers have actually read through the entirety of the 2,700-page infrastructure proposal, arguing, “They would have needed to take speed reading courses.”

“It is a gift to the Democrat Party, compliments of Mitch McConnell and some RINOs [Republicans in name only], who have no idea what they are doing,” he added.

Trump, who has used his platform in recent months to throw his support behind allied congressional candidates running in 2022, warned Saturday that the “infrastructure bill will be used against the Republican Party in the upcoming elections in 2022 and 2024.”

Biden got infrastructure done in 7 months, while Trump failed after 4 years of infrastructure weeks.

If Trump got the same package somehow done, he'd be running around and bragging how he's really the greatest dealmaker of all times (not that he's doing this already). The public should just ignore what this disgraced sociopath has to say.

[roxas11]

Watching this process play out makes it painfully obvious that both Trump and Obama whould have really benefited from having more experience before becoming president.

Getting big legislation, though congress is a hard and complex task that requires someone who knows how Congress actually works. There is no question that Biden's experience and past relationships with congress played a big role in getting this bipartisan bill done

For example, when it looked like things were about to fall apart after Biden told the media that he would not sign the bipartisan bill if it came to his desk without the reconciliation bill. Biden was able to call individual Republicans senators and convince them to still stick with the bipartisan infrastructure deal

In the end Republicans senators knew and trusted Biden enough to take his world for it

Now imagine how that same sitution would have played out with Obama or Trump. A junior senator like Obama barely had any relationships with his own party, let alone the Republicans and Trump was basically hands-off when it came to congress and He let other people in his party do all the work since he did not even bother reading any of the details of the bills he was trying to pass lol

If Biden ends up pulling this off I believe the big lesson for both parties should be that experience really does matter. I understand that both sides want an outsider who has not been in Washington for too long, but just look at how that worked out for Trump when he tried to pass his health care bill and immigration reform or even Obama when he struggled to pass anything else after the ACA was signed into law in 2010

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/manchin-m-done-extensions-federal-134547587.html

Manchin just said no to Federal Unemployment benefits extension

So, that puts a nail in coffin for more stimulus checks as well

Hopefully, if we get 55/45 Senate and 230 members in H which is possible in 500 not 90 days, with For the People's Act, we can get DC Statehood and Reparations and Sheila Jackson said if the Trifecta happens and a Supermajority Senate she will bring back Statehood and Reparations

[emailking]

If Biden ends up pulling this off I believe the big lesson for both parties should be that experience really does matter. I understand that both sides want an outsider who has not been in Washington for too long, but just look at how that worked out for Trump when he tried to pass his health care bill and immigration reform or even Obama when he struggled to pass anything else after the ACA was signed into law in 2010

I think there's truth to this. But also remember that ACA happened because Obama kept pushing it through when everyone else had given up after Brown's election.

[GM Team Member and Deputy PPT WB]

If Biden ends up pulling this off I believe the big lesson for both parties should be that experience really does matter. I understand that both sides want an outsider who has not been in Washington for too long, but just look at how that worked out for Trump when he tried to pass his health care bill and immigration reform or even Obama when he struggled to pass anything else after the ACA was signed into law in 2010

I think there's truth to this. But also remember that ACA happened because Obama kept pushing it through when everyone else had given up after Brown's election.

Persistence also is important, which is part of why the ACA passed. But it seems clear to me that Biden's experience in congress makes it easier to get stuff done.

[brucejoel99]

Heres Trump's view:
Trump slams McConnell, infrastructure package: 'A disgrace'

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/566838-trump-slams-mcconnell-infrastructure-package-a-disgrace

Former President Trump on Saturday slammed the Senate's $1 trillion bipartisan infrastructure package just hours before the upper chamber is scheduled to vote on winding down debate, calling the bill a “disgrace” and pushing Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) to negotiate a better deal.

The ex-commander in chief issued the message from his Save America PAC, accusing Republican leaders of satisfying the policy agenda of Democrats and telling GOP senators to think “twice before you approve this terrible deal.”

“Joe Biden’s infrastructure bill is a disgrace,” Trump wrote. “If Mitch McConnell was smart, which we’ve seen no evidence of, he would use the debt ceiling card to negotiate a good infrastructure package.”

Trump went on to express doubt that lawmakers have actually read through the entirety of the 2,700-page infrastructure proposal, arguing, “They would have needed to take speed reading courses.”

“It is a gift to the Democrat Party, compliments of Mitch McConnell and some RINOs [Republicans in name only], who have no idea what they are doing,” he added.

Trump, who has used his platform in recent months to throw his support behind allied congressional candidates running in 2022, warned Saturday that the “infrastructure bill will be used against the Republican Party in the upcoming elections in 2022 and 2024.”

Biden got infrastructure done in 7 months, while Trump failed after 4 years of infrastructure weeks.

If Trump got the same package somehow done, he'd be running around and bragging how he's really the greatest dealmaker of all times (not that he's doing this already). The public should just ignore what this disgraced sociopath has to say.

Politico literally reported this to be case, & that he doesn't care about the actual substance of the bill in his opposition to it so much as he's just butthurt that Senate Republicans never moved on such an infrastructure bill when he was President.

[roxas11]

If Biden ends up pulling this off I believe the big lesson for both parties should be that experience really does matter. I understand that both sides want an outsider who has not been in Washington for too long, but just look at how that worked out for Trump when he tried to pass his health care bill and immigration reform or even Obama when he struggled to pass anything else after the ACA was signed into law in 2010

I think there's truth to this. But also remember that ACA happened because Obama kept pushing it through when everyone else had given up after Brown's election.

Had Obama been more experienced he would have never been in that position in the first place and here is a perfect example of what I'm talking about

It did not take Biden very long to realize that his negotiation with Shelley Moore Capito was nothing but a waste of time he shut it down and moved on. Thankfully, it turns out that was other republicans like Rob Portman, who really did want to get something done on infrastructure and actually was willing work with Biden in good faith. None of that would have happened had Biden let Shelley Moore Capito drag him along for a negotiation that she knew full well was going nowhere


Obama on the hand, let Chuck Grassley sucker him into dragging the negotiation for healthcare reform past the August recess and by the time Obama had realised that he had been played the damage was already done

In Obama's memoir he would go on to say this about those pointless negotiation

He asked Grassley whether he'd support a health care reform bill that included all of the changes to the ACA that He wanted to see. "I guess not, Mr. President," Grassley replied.

The GOP used Obama inexperience against him and that was the main reason why he ended up having to to push ACA through when everyone else had given up after Brown's election

[emailking]

Yeah that's fair.

We'll see what happens. Obama got 2 heavy lifts through during the trifecta, and if Biden gets this it will be 2 heavy lifts as well. We'll see if he can do more.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Obama put his heart and sole into passing Obamacare and the moderates were there like Robert C Byrd trying to get thru the Filibuster without the nuke option, notice when Byrd left, D's were able to alter the Filibuster

Obama without Filibuster reform had the same problem as Bil Clinton, trying to pass ACA without 60 votes it passed with the help of Arlen Specter

But, there wasn't a need for Climate control and there was talk of speed rail but Boehner and Mcconnell torpedoed it in 2014

The West Coast wasn't on fire like this, that why we continue to track and we need to cap it

Obama expanded oil drilling to continental shelf

Remember he won MO, MT , IN and OH, the oil states in 2008/12, because Green House wasn't a danger like it is now

No one is talking about ending fracking like Rs say, but reform it, to the Environment

[Progressive Pessimist]

Yeah that's fair.

We'll see what happens. Obama got 2 heavy lifts through during the trifecta, and if Biden gets this it will be 2 heavy lifts as well. We'll see if he can do more.

I still think his agenda is essentially over after this and the probable passing of the reconciliation bill.

[brucejoel99]

Yeah that's fair.

We'll see what happens. Obama got 2 heavy lifts through during the trifecta, and if Biden gets this it will be 2 heavy lifts as well. We'll see if he can do more.

I still think his agenda is essentially over after this and the probable passing of the reconciliation bill.

The public option is still next year's reconciliation bill, if Kaine & Bennet are to be believed.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Most people already have Medicaid and in some instances if you work part time 16 K a yr you can get on Medicaid and there are free clinics

We already have Dual coverage between Medicare and Medicaid and all your dental and vision are paid for except hearing aids and false teeth

Most people lose teeth but not a mouthful unless you do drugs or smoke heavily or drink heavily

Unless you have a chronic illness alot of people go to free clinics or get on Medicaid low income

Also Medicaid pays the premium of Medicare that's how come there is dual coverage unless you you make over income 1400, bit if you are in a nursing home and over income me Medicaid pays for it again

The only person needing Public option are people working part time, the people not working have Medicaid

D's give you stuff that you already have except another 1400 Stimulus check one more just like 3 major cities have 15.00 minimum wage

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

https://mobile.twitter.com/SenateCloakroom/status/1424528128425222146
https://twitter.com/SenateCloakroom/status/1424533068866629638?s=20

[roxas11]

Yeah that's fair.

We'll see what happens. Obama got 2 heavy lifts through during the trifecta, and if Biden gets this it will be 2 heavy lifts as well. We'll see if he can do more.

I still think his agenda is essentially over after this and the probable passing of the reconciliation bill.

If Joe Biden gets the of the reconciliation bill I agree that it will be over, but that is mainly because he actually succeeded in doing, what he set out to do and not because his agenda was cut short like Obama or Trump. He basically would be 1 of the few presidents who largely succeeded in getting most of their agenda through Congress

1. A Covid relief bill that introduced major new polices like the child tax credit

2. A bipartisan bill that is the largest investment in infrastructure since Dwight D. Eisenhower began the interstate highway system.

3. A reconciliation bill that deals with everything from childcare to climate change

Biden would have accomplished in 1 year what most presidents fail to do in 4 or even 8 years

Normally presidents fail to get a lot of what they want in their first term, so they spend the next election, telling voters if they are reelected they will finally deliver on a lot of what they promise them 4 years ago, but in Biden case he would in the rare position where his accomplishments would actually make a second term seem kind of pointless.

[Attorney General & PPT Dwarven Dragon]

https://twitter.com/SenateCloakroom/status/1424538686771843075


Final passage vote will be at 3:11 AM ET on 8/10, unless the sides agree to shorten the debate. We expect the process on the budget resolution to begin immediately after this vote.

[7,052,770]

Yeah that's fair.

We'll see what happens. Obama got 2 heavy lifts through during the trifecta, and if Biden gets this it will be 2 heavy lifts as well. We'll see if he can do more.

I still think his agenda is essentially over after this and the probable passing of the reconciliation bill.

If Joe Biden gets the of the reconciliation bill I agree that it will be over, but that is mainly because he actually succeeded in doing, what he set out to do and not because his agenda was cut short like Obama or Trump. He basically would be 1 of the few presidents who largely succeeded in getting most of their agenda through Congress

1. A Covid relief bill that introduced major new polices like the child tax credit

2. A bipartisan bill that is the largest investment in infrastructure since Dwight D. Eisenhower began the interstate highway system.

3. A reconciliation bill that deals with everything from childcare to climate change

Biden would have accomplished in 1 year what most presidents fail to do in 4 or even 8 years

Normally presidents fail to get a lot of what they want in their first term, so they spend the next election, telling voters if they are reelected they will finally deliver on a lot of what they promise them 4 years ago, but in Biden case he would in the rare position where his accomplishments would actually make a second term seem kind of pointless.

Biden's got to get a voting rights bill passed that at least bans gerrymandering and rolls back the most recent state-level restrictions, or his whole presidency (and the whole American experiment really) was for nothing. I am confident that he will.

[Pres Mike]

Yeah that's fair.

We'll see what happens. Obama got 2 heavy lifts through during the trifecta, and if Biden gets this it will be 2 heavy lifts as well. We'll see if he can do more.

I still think his agenda is essentially over after this and the probable passing of the reconciliation bill.

If Joe Biden gets the of the reconciliation bill I agree that it will be over, but that is mainly because he actually succeeded in doing, what he set out to do and not because his agenda was cut short like Obama or Trump. He basically would be 1 of the few presidents who largely succeeded in getting most of their agenda through Congress

1. A Covid relief bill that introduced major new polices like the child tax credit

2. A bipartisan bill that is the largest investment in infrastructure since Dwight D. Eisenhower began the interstate highway system.

3. A reconciliation bill that deals with everything from childcare to climate change

Biden would have accomplished in 1 year what most presidents fail to do in 4 or even 8 years

Normally presidents fail to get a lot of what they want in their first term, so they spend the next election, telling voters if they are reelected they will finally deliver on a lot of what they promise them 4 years ago, but in Biden case he would in the rare position where his accomplishments would actually make a second term seem kind of pointless.

What about the FY 2023 bill? We could pass it before the midterms. Any hope for a public option?

[Pres Mike]

Yeah that's fair.

We'll see what happens. Obama got 2 heavy lifts through during the trifecta, and if Biden gets this it will be 2 heavy lifts as well. We'll see if he can do more.

I still think his agenda is essentially over after this and the probable passing of the reconciliation bill.

Why are people forgetting the FY 2023 bill? We could pass it before the midterms and have the public option in it. A public option could solve the biggest problems we have with healthcare

[Lief 🗽]

Sounds like the bill will do a real number on Bitcoin, great news!
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1424558386016817153?s=21