Derek Chauvin trial megathread (SENTENCED TO 22.5 YEARS IN PRISON)

[OSR stands with Israel]

You can hold this position at the same time :

- Chauvin should have been convicted

- What Waters said was terrible and censure worthy


They are not mutually exclusive at all

[Comrade Funk]

You can hold this position at the same time :

- Chauvin should have been convicted

- What Waters said was terrible and censure worthy


They are not mutually exclusive at all

Why are Republicans acting like they are one and the same? I've seen more outrage over Waters than the actual murder.

[Real Texan Politics]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1384665501616545793?s=20
Why do they keep doing this?

[ProudModerate2]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1384665501616545793?s=20
Why do they keep doing this?

I have no idea.
But I hate the verbiage some are using. People (and especially his loved ones) should want him alive and around them.

[Bootes Void]

OJ Simpson says Derek Chauvin 'deserves' to be convicted for George Floyd's death
https://www.foxnews.com/us/oj-simpson-derek-chauvin-verdict-george-floyd-case

OJ Simpson on Tuesday said he believes former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin "deserves" to be convicted for the death of George Floyd, while also reacting to recent comments made by Rep. Maxine Waters, D-Calif., who is facing criticism for encouraging protesters to "stay on the street" and to "get more confrontational."

Simpson, 73, made the remarks in a video posted to his Twitter account with the caption: "Verdict Watch."

Jurors in the Chauvin trial began deliberations Monday after weeks of testimony from dozens of witnesses. He is charged with second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder and second-degree manslaughter in connection with the May 25, 2020 death of Floyd. The trial came after nearly a year of protests and riots over video footage showing Chauvin pinning his knee on Floyd's neck. A verdict was expected to be announced Tuesday.

In his video, Simpson said he hoped there is "some kind of verdict, a conviction. I think the man deserves it."

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1384665501616545793?s=20
Why do they keep doing this?

I have no idea.
But I hate the verbiage some are using. People (and especially his loved ones) should want him alive and around them.

I am sure that they would prefer that he was still with them.  But since he's gone, I can see that there would be some comfort found in a loved one's death helping to achieve something meaningful.

[Born to Slay. Forced to Work.]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1384665501616545793?s=20
Why do they keep doing this?

American society’s heavy Christian influence and the major role resurrection plays as a central tenet to that system

The Floyd’s are religious, so it’s natural for them to think this way. “Everything happens for a reason” mindset

[soundchaser]

I don't know that anyone should be gatekeeping the language used by the person/people closest to Floyd in the wake of this incident. (Politicians are a different story.)

[lfromnj]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NickJFuentes/status/1384629828121468930

[7,052,770]

So I'm guessing he'll go to solitary confinement for his own protection?

[DaleCooper]

Very pleasantly surprised. It's so surreal to see an abusive police officer held accountable.

[Hermit For Peace]

So I'm guessing he'll go to solitary confinement for his own protection?

It sucks to be that guy right now. Put him on suicide watch...he has no life anymore.

[OSR stands with Israel]

You can hold this position at the same time :

- Chauvin should have been convicted

- What Waters said was terrible and censure worthy


They are not mutually exclusive at all

Why are Republicans acting like they are one and the same? I've seen more outrage over Waters than the actual murder.

I’m not

[Motorcity]

Thank god

[Motorcity]

https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1384637677102841857

I'm just going to call her a bitch and not be sorry about it. She's a racist bitch.

Your right. MTG is a racist bitch

When I called Kelly leoffler a bitch people attacked me

[Badger]

So the mob gets its pound of flesh. Good for civil strife at least.

I thought prosecutors like you were supposed to celebrate when criminals were successfully convicted. I know I always did.

[Badger]

Does he serve for both 2nd and 3rd murder? Or would the judge give him a concurrent punishment?

I don't know Minnesota law, but I would almost surely believe that the sentences merge, meaning the state has to choose which of the three charges he must be sentenced on rather than them even running concurrent. Obviously they will choose the second degree murder charge.

[Badger]

Mayor frey with a pelosi-esque take.

What the hell are they doing?

https://twitter.com/MayorFrey/status/1384619597576474625

Someone give Pelosi and Frey a 24-hour time out of saying anything to the media. Then extend that time out another 24 hours

[OSR stands with Israel]

Does he serve for both 2nd and 3rd murder? Or would the judge give him a concurrent punishment?

I don't know Minnesota law, but I would almost surely believe that the sentences merge, meaning the state has to choose which of the three charges he must be sentenced on rather than them even running concurrent. Obviously they will choose the second degree murder charge.

Wouldn't he just serve what ever the longest sentence is:


Say he gets 5 years for Manslaughter, 15 for third degree murder and 25 for second degree murder wouldnt he basically be sentenced to 25 years.

[Badger]

You can hold this position at the same time :

- Chauvin should have been convicted

- What Waters said was terrible and censure worthy


They are not mutually exclusive at all

How on Earth is what Maxine Waters said censure Worthy? Hot-headed? Unhelpful? Premature? Sure, all of the above. But on what basis does it meet the lofty requirements for an outright Congressional censure?

[Badger]

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1384665501616545793?s=20
Why do they keep doing this?

I have no idea.
But I hate the verbiage some are using. People (and especially his loved ones) should want him alive and around them.

I am sure that they would prefer that he was still with them.  But since he's gone, I can see that there would be some comfort found in a loved one's death helping to achieve something meaningful.

Yeah, the place this is spoken from is much different than the tone-deaf attempts at martyrdom made by some politicians and organizations like the Raiders.

[Badger]

https://mobile.twitter.com/NickJFuentes/status/1384629828121468930

I didn't think I could hear support of the verdict from a less welcome source than OJ Simpson, but apparently I was wrong.

[Badger]

Does he serve for both 2nd and 3rd murder? Or would the judge give him a concurrent punishment?

I don't know Minnesota law, but I would almost surely believe that the sentences merge, meaning the state has to choose which of the three charges he must be sentenced on rather than them even running concurrent. Obviously they will choose the second degree murder charge.

Wouldn't he just serve what ever the longest sentence is:


Say he gets 5 years for Manslaughter, 15 for third degree murder and 25 for second degree murder wouldnt he basically be sentenced to 25 years.

No for two reasons. First, as noted there is the concept of merger. You can't convicted someone more than once for the same offense. Violates Double Jeopardy. There are a million cases in every state as to what set of facts and charges do and do not constitute offenses requiring merger, but in this case I'm going to Hazard a guess even without knowing Minnesota law that they absolutely have to merge and the most he can be sentence on is the second degree murder charge.

Secondly, even there he will almost surely not get the maximum possible second degree murder penalty of 40 years. Apparently Minnesota has sentencing guidelines not unlike the federal system which set fairly strict limits on sentencing discretion, either to increase or decrease be presumed standard settings. By comparison sake, here in Ohio offense is generally have a range of a minimum X months or years and a maximum of Y months or years, and the judge has damn near carte blanche compose a sentence anywhere within that range they deem appropriate, and only true the extreme deviations from very broad generalized guidelines stand a chance on appeal.

Reportedly the presumed default sentence for second-degree murder is 12 1/2 years, but the state is seeking upward modification on various statutory guidelines such as the crime having been committed in front of a child.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Does he serve for both 2nd and 3rd murder? Or would the judge give him a concurrent punishment?

I don't know Minnesota law, but I would almost surely believe that the sentences merge, meaning the state has to choose which of the three charges he must be sentenced on rather than them even running concurrent. Obviously they will choose the second degree murder charge.

Wouldn't he just serve what ever the longest sentence is:


Say he gets 5 years for Manslaughter, 15 for third degree murder and 25 for second degree murder wouldnt he basically be sentenced to 25 years.

No for two reasons. First, as noted there is the concept of merger. You can't convicted someone more than once for the same offense. Violates Double Jeopardy. There are a million cases in every state as to what set of facts and charges do and do not constitute offenses requiring merger, but in this case I'm going to Hazard a guess even without knowing Minnesota law that they absolutely have to merge and the most he can be sentence on is the second degree murder charge.

Secondly, even there he will almost surely not get the maximum possible second degree murder penalty of 40 years. Apparently Minnesota has sentencing guidelines not unlike the federal system which set fairly strict limits on sentencing discretion, either to increase or decrease be presumed standard settings. By comparison sake, here in Ohio offense is generally have a range of a minimum X months or years and a maximum of Y months or years, and the judge has damn near carte blanche compose a sentence anywhere within that range they deem appropriate, and only true the extreme deviations from very broad generalized guidelines stand a chance on appeal.

Reportedly the presumed default sentence for second-degree murder is 12 1/2 years, but the state is seeking upward modification on various statutory guidelines such as the crime having been committed in front of a child.

I’m not a legal expert but isn’t that what sentenced concurrently means where all the sentences run together at the same time so he would only really be sentenced to the most severe charge . I understand he won’t get the maximum sentence by 25 years is still 15 years shorter than the Maximum so is guidelines that in most cases the sentence for the offender has to be the minimum sentence .

Also 12.5 years for second degree seems relatively light  given that in many states people convicted of manslaughter have gotten 15 years and the minimum penalty for second degree murder is 25 years .

[Badger]

Does he serve for both 2nd and 3rd murder? Or would the judge give him a concurrent punishment?

I don't know Minnesota law, but I would almost surely believe that the sentences merge, meaning the state has to choose which of the three charges he must be sentenced on rather than them even running concurrent. Obviously they will choose the second degree murder charge.

Wouldn't he just serve what ever the longest sentence is:


Say he gets 5 years for Manslaughter, 15 for third degree murder and 25 for second degree murder wouldnt he basically be sentenced to 25 years.

No for two reasons. First, as noted there is the concept of merger. You can't convicted someone more than once for the same offense. Violates Double Jeopardy. There are a million cases in every state as to what set of facts and charges do and do not constitute offenses requiring merger, but in this case I'm going to Hazard a guess even without knowing Minnesota law that they absolutely have to merge and the most he can be sentence on is the second degree murder charge.

Secondly, even there he will almost surely not get the maximum possible second degree murder penalty of 40 years. Apparently Minnesota has sentencing guidelines not unlike the federal system which set fairly strict limits on sentencing discretion, either to increase or decrease be presumed standard settings. By comparison sake, here in Ohio offense is generally have a range of a minimum X months or years and a maximum of Y months or years, and the judge has damn near carte blanche compose a sentence anywhere within that range they deem appropriate, and only true the extreme deviations from very broad generalized guidelines stand a chance on appeal.

Reportedly the presumed default sentence for second-degree murder is 12 1/2 years, but the state is seeking upward modification on various statutory guidelines such as the crime having been committed in front of a child.

I’m not a legal expert but isn’t that what sentenced concurrently means where all the sentences run together at the same time so he would only really be sentenced to the most severe charge . I understand he won’t get the maximum sentence by 25 years is still 15 years shorter than the Maximum so is guidelines that in most cases the sentence for the offender has to be the minimum sentence .

Also 12.5 years for second degree seems relatively light  given that in many states people convicted of manslaughter have gotten 15 years and the minimum penalty for second degree murder is 25 years .

The best I can say, again, is these offences seen that they would be merged for sentencing. That is he can only be sentenced on one of the three charges. For the same reason you in charge and even if someone found guilty of theft and receiving stolen property for the same Act of shoplifting, but you can't sentence them on both. Again, I only know Minnesota law for whatever it in the news, but I would be shocked if he could be sentenced, even concurrently, on each of the three counts. Furthermore, the media is reporting as far as likely a potential sentences for the second degree murder charge only, so it appears in fact the other charges won't come into play sentencing.

12 and a half years is only the mid-range standard settings. The state is requesting a more severe sentence based on multiple statutory aggravating factors. I can't imagine he'll only get 12 and a half years, even if the ultimate sense is closer to that than the theoretical maximum of 40.