Spanish elections and politics III / Pedro Sánchez faces a new term as PM

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

I think it's fine for the King to put Feijoo out of his misery like this

[mileslunn]

Feijóo's investiture debate and vote is schedule for 26 and 27 September. If he fails, Sanchéz will get an opportunity and if he also fails, snap elections will be held during January 2024.

What are odds of either succeeding?  Feijoo has almost no path while Sanchez relies on getting Junts to endorse him and price probably too steep so I am thinking another election is only way out.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

Feijóo's investiture debate and vote is schedule for 26 and 27 September. If he fails, Sanchéz will get an opportunity and if he also fails, snap elections will be held during January 2024.

What are odds of either succeeding?  Feijoo has almost no path while Sanchez relies on getting Junts to endorse him and price probably too steep so I am thinking another election is only way out.

No idea about Sánchez’s odds, but Feijóo’s are 0.

[Former President tack50]

Feijóo's investiture debate and vote is schedule for 26 and 27 September. If he fails, Sanchéz will get an opportunity and if he also fails, snap elections will be held during January 2024.

What are odds of either succeeding?  Feijoo has almost no path while Sanchez relies on getting Junts to endorse him and price probably too steep so I am thinking another election is only way out.

Feijoo's chances are essencially 0, barring him going full catalan nationalist, pardoning Puigdemont and doing a referendum in Catalonia. Then maybe he has like a 0.1% chance.

Sánchez's options to me seem more and more likely. They are far from guaranteed, but it seems Junts is more willing to negotiate than I anticipated. The price to pay will be high, but not insurmoutably high. Probably amnesty will be the big concession.It will require some imaginative legal formulas which I am not sure will pass constitutional scrutiny but that's a problem for 2024's Pedro Sánchez, so...

The other big, nearly-guaranteed concession is transferring the regional rail service fully (it's already partially transferred, but the Catalan government wants full control). I don't think Sánchez will transfer the actual infrastructure owned by Adif (It'd be logistically hard if not impossible outside of a handful of lines); but the national operator Renfe will almost certainly stop doing any intra-Catalonia services, to be replaced by the regional operator FGC. Ironically this will solve very few if any issues on Catalonia's regional rail but whatever

Finally, I could see Sánchez conceding a "Concierto" like the Basque one. However, that is much less likely in my opinion as it's quite a big concession, and would harm the former socialist territories in southern Spain.

[Velasco]

The PP will talk with Junts, while a spokesperson says the "tradition" and the "legality" of Junts are "beyond doubt". Spanish conservatives want to talk with all the parliamentary forces except Bildu. The PNV will talk with the PP as an act of courtesy, but spokesman Aitor Esteban is crystal clear; there's no path for the investiture of Feijóo because the PNV makes no deals with the far-right and the fascists

https://twitter.com/HoyPorHoy/status/1693522678131392838?t=8RYEEzErK4OQ8TMMLrhTN...

Anyway the willingness to talk with political forces previously demonized by the PP (saving Bildu, of course)  looks like a positive development

Everybody in this country is talking about the resignation of the president of the Spanish Football Federation, on the other hand. Good riddance, Rubiales

[Zinneke]

Now that Rubiales is gone the outspoken Vox-supporting excrement Javier Tebas needs to follow. Funny how all these top jobs seem to go to right-wingers...

[Velasco]

Amazingly Rubiales is not resigning and mounts a counterattack blaming " fake feminism", those who were more vocal asking for his resignation (Yolanda Díaz, Irene Montero, etc) and even player Jenni Hermoso ( the victim of this affair). Presumably the FIFA and the Spanish government will act.

This is obviously a political problem. Shame on male chauvinists and glory to our world champions

[Zinneke]

https://twitter.com/Millar_Colin/status/1695025866626007438


This is just insane hahaha. Rubiales makes Infantino's "Today I am ginger" speech look like a professional PR operation.

I still think Tebas is ten times more dangerous than Rubiales, who is just a coked up goon.

[Logical]

Florentino Perez's evil influence continue to ruin Spanish football.

[Zinneke]

Lmao

https://twitter.com/sidlowe/status/1694971610212467047

[Former President tack50]

Lmao

https://twitter.com/sidlowe/status/1694971610212467047

I mean, back in the day Rajoy already floated running, so it is far from inconceivable. And Rajoy would be a definite improvement; I very much endorse him!

[Zinneke]

Lmao

https://twitter.com/sidlowe/status/1694971610212467047

I mean, back in the day Rajoy already floated running, so it is far from inconceivable. And Rajoy would be a definite improvement; I very much endorse him!

I saw Lahoz's picture floating about. Definitely my meme choice.

[Mike88]

The most striking thing, nowadays, is the complete cluelessness of many people in high ranking posts. They don't know how to be nor how to behave.

[Zinneke]

The most striking thing, nowadays, is the complete cluelessness of many people in high ranking posts. They don't know how to be nor how to behave.

My impression (and its one I've heard everywhere) is that you have to have a much thicker skin with the 24h news cycle and the constant need for PR, so you naturally get this kind of ego to run at the top.

I'll also stick my neck out and say Rubiales didn't commit a sackable offense had he just apologised for doing it in public : the people screeching that it is sexual assault don't know the full story yet and the pressure Hermoso must be feeling shouldn't be discounted. He made a mistake but his handling of it is what is so shocking. Rubiales's account would be credible if it weren't for the fact that the guy is clearly a nutcase. I really think Montero and co wanted desperately to have this as a theme of the world cup victory.

[Velasco]

We have a mature man aged fifty something kissing and hugging a woman 30 years younger without her consent, in a clear case of power abuse and sexual harassment, who also pressed the player to exonarate him validate his version. We have a male chauvinist nutcase who stole the protagonism from our fantastic football team, reaching the world press headlines with his deplorable behaviour.  Nothing of this matters, the one to blame is Irene Montero.  Lol

[Zinneke]

We have a mature man aged fifty something kissing and hugging a woman 30 years younger without her consent, in a clear case of power abuse and sexual harasdment, who also pressed the player to exonarate him validate his version. We have a male chauvinist nutcase who stole the protagonism from our fantastic football team, reaching the world press headlines with his deplorable behaviour.  Nothing of this matters, the one to blame is Irene Montero.  Lol

Did I say Irene Montero was to blame? I'm saying that this is again her projecting her politics on to an issue which in a sane country would have an independent investigation before Rubiales goes on COPE to condemn "idiots" and Montero goes to twitter to scream "rape". So far Hermoso has not introduced a plaint for sexual assault. She may in due course. She just asked that the procedures for disciplining Rubiales should be enforced as he committed a professional error (at the minimum).

As for the incident itself, as much as Rubiales is the type, I still believe in the presumption of innocence, even if you Velasco don't, and that the images, as well as her live tiktok after the game, point towards a far more nuanced position than "LOL RUBIALES LITERALLY SEXUALLY ASSAULTED HER AND ABUSED HIS POWER". Everybody from Rubiales and his defenders to you, is again going into El Chiringuito-mode where every topic has to be turned up to eleventy-stupid in terms of hot takes rather than using the minimalist interpretation. And this is why Spain is such a polarised place politically. You and Rubiales are two sides of the same coin, Velasco.

I blame cocaine.

[Velasco]

We have a mature man aged fifty something kissing and hugging a woman 30 years younger without her consent, in a clear case of power abuse and sexual harasdment, who also pressed the player to exonarate him validate his version. We have a male chauvinist nutcase who stole the protagonism from our fantastic football team, reaching the world press headlines with his deplorable behaviour.  Nothing of this matters, the one to blame is Irene Montero.  Lol

Did I say Irene Montero was to blame? I'm saying that this is again her projecting her politics on to an issue which in a sane country would have an independent investigation before Rubiales goes on COPE to condemn "idiots" and Montero goes to twitter to scream "rape". So far Hermoso has not introduced a plaint for sexual assault. She may in due course. She just asked that the procedures for disciplining Rubiales should be enforced as he committed a professional error (at the minimum).

As for the incident itself, as much as Rubiales is the type, I still believe in the presumption of innocence, even if you Velasco don't, and that the images, as well as her live tiktok after the game, point towards a far more nuanced position than "LOL RUBIALES LITERALLY SEXUALLY ASSAULTED HER AND ABUSED HIS POWER". Everybody from Rubiales and his defenders to you, is again going into El Chiringuito-mode where every topic has to be turned up to eleventy-stupid in terms of hot takes rather than using the minimalist interpretation. And this is why Spain is such a polarised place politically. You and Rubiales are two sides of the same coin, Velasco.

I blame cocaine.

You are blaming cocaine and Montero,  not the man. That's amazing, bro. The "incident" is recorded and everybody around the world coud see it. Power abuse and sexual harasdment.  Norhing more, nothing less

[Zinneke]

We have a mature man aged fifty something kissing and hugging a woman 30 years younger without her consent, in a clear case of power abuse and sexual harasdment, who also pressed the player to exonarate him validate his version. We have a male chauvinist nutcase who stole the protagonism from our fantastic football team, reaching the world press headlines with his deplorable behaviour.  Nothing of this matters, the one to blame is Irene Montero.  Lol

Did I say Irene Montero was to blame? I'm saying that this is again her projecting her politics on to an issue which in a sane country would have an independent investigation before Rubiales goes on COPE to condemn "idiots" and Montero goes to twitter to scream "rape". So far Hermoso has not introduced a plaint for sexual assault. She may in due course. She just asked that the procedures for disciplining Rubiales should be enforced as he committed a professional error (at the minimum).

As for the incident itself, as much as Rubiales is the type, I still believe in the presumption of innocence, even if you Velasco don't, and that the images, as well as her live tiktok after the game, point towards a far more nuanced position than "LOL RUBIALES LITERALLY SEXUALLY ASSAULTED HER AND ABUSED HIS POWER". Everybody from Rubiales and his defenders to you, is again going into El Chiringuito-mode where every topic has to be turned up to eleventy-stupid in terms of hot takes rather than using the minimalist interpretation. And this is why Spain is such a polarised place politically. You and Rubiales are two sides of the same coin, Velasco.

I blame cocaine.

You are blaming cocaine and Montero,  not the man. That's amazing, bro. The "incident" is recorded and everybody around the world coud see it. Power abuse and sexual harasdment.  Norhing more, nothing less

Yes, it was recorded, except the exchange that they had before wasn't. It is still a professional mistake but to equate with a horny guy force-kissing a random woman in a nightclub (which is sexual assault clear as day) is already much if it turns out that Rubiales and Hermoso had an exchange before hand that said "hey let's kiss"...like I have an LGBT friend who is comfortable with a straight friend kissing them as a way of affection, I feel like if they joke about getting married in the dressing room after is telling too. Until we actually hear from Hermoso (and she is now under huge pressure as a result of this circus, and Rubiales is now most to blame for this), then the calls to arrest Rubiales for sexual assault are hyperbole. The normal response to this incident is an independent investigation where both parties give their account without a massive mediatic and political (both general and within the FA...because clearly some people like Javier Tebas want Rubiales gone despite supporting wife beaters party Vox) storm.

(I am blaming cocaine for the ridiculous polarisation on every issue in the Spanish mediatic landscape btw..)

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

It's a pattern of behavior. Just on that same day, he was grabbing himself inappropriately 2 seats down from the Queen and the 16 year old Princess Sofia, which he himself thought was embarrassing enough to apologize for at the same press conference where he flip flopped on resigning. He's a gross machista freak, like so many people in the Hispanic world, and explanations are not excuses. Hermoso was on an Instagram livestream immediately afterwards where she said she didn't like it. Now this man has made everyone in Spain forget about the fact that they won a World Cup.

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

It's a pattern of behavior. Just on that same day, he was grabbing himself inappropriately 2 seats down from the Queen and the 16 year old Princess Sofia, which he himself thought was embarrassing enough to apologize for at the same press conference where he flip flopped on resigning. He's a gross machista freak, like so many people in the Hispanic world, and explanations are not excuses. Hermoso was on an Instagram livestream immediately afterwards where she said she didn't like it. Now this man has made everyone in Spain forget about the fact that they won a World Cup.

Even putting aside the allegations of sexual misconduct, this alone should be enough for this chauvinist to be sacked as a violation of his duties to represent Spanish Soccer in the best light possible. Making a victory for your countries Women's Soccer all about the fact that you don't know boundaries or consent? Gross, no matter how you look at or try to excuse it.

And from other posters who know more and the light research I've done on the situation, it seems like there's a clear pattern of behavior here, too.

Good riddance.

[CumbrianLefty]

As so often, a quick apology ("I got carried away, blah blah") and he would probably have got away with it. Its the thinking they have nothing to apologise *for*, that is so often the tell.

[BigSerg]

It's a pattern of behavior. Just on that same day, he was grabbing himself inappropriately 2 seats down from the Queen and the 16 year old Princess Sofia, which he himself thought was embarrassing enough to apologize for at the same press conference where he flip flopped on resigning. He's a gross machista freak, like so many people in the Hispanic world, and explanations are not excuses. Hermoso was on an Instagram livestream immediately afterwards where she said she didn't like it. Now this man has made everyone in Spain forget about the fact that they won a World Cup.

Are you serious? Probably with this "scandal" women's soccer will have much more visibility. In Spain literally no one sees it. By the way, despite Velasco's attempts to derail the thread with topics that have nothing to do with politics and his fake outrage, you have to go back to topics that do have to do with politics. Like this other rapist released from jail by the "only yes means yes" law who attempted to rape a woman.

https://twitter.com/elmundoes/status/1695100592463421662?s=20

[Zinneke]

Now that Hermoso has finally confirmed it was non-consensual my opinion has changed, but I still feel an independent investigation is better in this case than a media witch hunt on both sides.

It's a pattern of behavior. Just on that same day, he was grabbing himself inappropriately 2 seats down from the Queen and the 16 year old Princess Sofia, which he himself thought was embarrassing enough to apologize for at the same press conference where he flip flopped on resigning. He's a gross machista freak, like so many people in the Hispanic world, and explanations are not excuses. Hermoso was on an Instagram livestream immediately afterwards where she said she didn't like it. Now this man has made everyone in Spain forget about the fact that they won a World Cup.

Are you serious? Probably with this "scandal" women's soccer will have much more visibility. In Spain literally no one sees it. By the way, despite Velasco's attempts to derail the thread with topics that have nothing to do with politics and his fake outrage, you have to go back to topics that do have to do with politics. Like this other rapist released from jail by the "only yes means yes" law who attempted to rape a woman.

https://twitter.com/elmundoes/status/1695100592463421662?s=20

It is totally politically relevant given how scumbags like Rubiales and Tebas are allowed high profile positions while holding reprehensible political views similar to your own. In a society with out wife beaters Vox and the PP machine corruption operation Rubiales and Tebas are drunks in a corner bar, not leading figures of Spanish football.

[BigSerg]

Now that Hermoso has finally confirmed it was non-consensual my opinion has changed, but I still feel an independent investigation is better in this case than a media witch hunt on both sides.

It's a pattern of behavior. Just on that same day, he was grabbing himself inappropriately 2 seats down from the Queen and the 16 year old Princess Sofia, which he himself thought was embarrassing enough to apologize for at the same press conference where he flip flopped on resigning. He's a gross machista freak, like so many people in the Hispanic world, and explanations are not excuses. Hermoso was on an Instagram livestream immediately afterwards where she said she didn't like it. Now this man has made everyone in Spain forget about the fact that they won a World Cup.

Are you serious? Probably with this "scandal" women's soccer will have much more visibility. In Spain literally no one sees it. By the way, despite Velasco's attempts to derail the thread with topics that have nothing to do with politics and his fake outrage, you have to go back to topics that do have to do with politics. Like this other rapist released from jail by the "only yes means yes" law who attempted to rape a woman.

https://twitter.com/elmundoes/status/1695100592463421662?s=20

It is totally politically relevant given how scumbags like Rubiales and Tebas are allowed high profile positions while holding reprehensible political views similar to your own. In a society with out wife beaters Vox and the PP machine corruption operation Rubiales and Tebas are drunks in a corner bar, not leading figures of Spanish football.

If you want to see it from a political view, you would have to say that the whole Rubiales family is and has always been of the PSOE, Rubiales himself is a close friend of Sánchez, not of Vox, not of the PP, not of Feijoo, not of Abascal. Of course, saying this is of no interest to Velasco.

[Velasco]

It's a pattern of behavior. Just on that same day, he was grabbing himself inappropriately 2 seats down from the Queen and the 16 year old Princess Sofia, which he himself thought was embarrassing enough to apologize for at the same press conference where he flip flopped on resigning. He's a gross machista freak, like so many people in the Hispanic world, and explanations are not excuses. Hermoso was on an Instagram livestream immediately afterwards where she said she didn't like it. Now this man has made everyone in Spain forget about the fact that they won a World Cup.

Are you serious? Probably with this "scandal" women's soccer will have much more visibility. In Spain literally no one sees it.

It's obvious that BigSerg was not among the 6 or 7 millions who watched the final, or maybe he believes that people was anticipating the Rubiales show.

https://www.elmundo.es/television/medios/2023/08/21/64e31a2fe4d4d85a228b457b.html

I have not a clue about the political leanings of Rubiales. I know that Pedro Sánchez was extremely cold with him in the reception at La Moncloa. Sánchez also said his apologies were insufficient. Only COPE journalists and maybe Vox sympathizers condone Rubiales behaviour