DC statehood Megathread (pg 33 - Manchin questioning constitutionality)

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

The Democrats are f**king clowns. I don’t get why this forum defends them so much.

All the winning probably has something to do with it. Y'know, the House; the presidency & the vice presidency; the Senate; the $1.9T stimulus package polling at +40 approval that wouldn't be possible without the Democratic trifecta; the incoming jobs, infrastructure, & climate change package that wouldn't be possible without the Democratic trifecta; etc.

You can’t be serious. It took a meltdown by the GOP to win the Senate. The House was a complete abortion. They should’ve won a majority large enough to last 4-6 years. Instead it’s small enough where there’s virtually no chance of saving it. And the Presidency - I mean the fact it was as close as it was when (IMO) Biden was a great canidate and Trump was literally the worst President of all-time. So Dems get no credit for “winning” except maybe Georgia.

• They’re blundering the Covid relief bill. By taking forever to pass it and bickering back & forth - to the point where voters are going to feel more “finally” instead of thankful and happy.

• It seems likely an infrastructure bill might on the horizon but who knows how watered down it’ll be

• Statehood which would have been HUGE to help even out the structural unfairness (at least a little)

• The voting rights bill isn’t going to be passed.

• No minimum wage hike is going to happen.

• A public option won’t happen.

So Id have to say they’ve been a MAJOR letdown so far

If you actually have any real information behind any of your opinions, feel free to post it.

Otherwise, your constant doomer fantasy troll posting is just tiresome.  Haven't you been proven wrong enough yet?

[emailking]

If it doesn't happen in the 117th congress, it's very likely not going to happen during this decade anymore.

Probably, I agree.. It's unfortunate.

Senate is possible but House is gone.

I think both are unlikely, but if the Dems pickup 2-3 in the Senate I wouldn't rule out them keeping the House even with redistricting.

How is this dead now? Last time I heard Manchin being asked, he said to be open to the idea. Or is the damn filibuster the problem? I guess they could nuke the filibuster for state admissions then, even if complete removal of the filibuster can't get done.

The filibuster is the problem, and Sinema appears to be more problematic than Manchin. She wants a 60 vote threshold for all Senate actions so I don't see why she'd vote make an exception for this.

[TheReckoning]

Awesome that partisan power grabs are being shot down!

[It’s so Joever]

Awesome that partisan power grabs are being shot down!

So do you condemn the creation of the State of Wyoming and the split of the two Dakotas?
Those were both partisan grabs.

[7,052,770]

Awesome that partisan power grabs are being shot down!

The Americans living in DC not getting to have Congressional representation just because Republicans don't want them electing Democrats is the partisan power grab. And yes, it is nice that Jim Crow II will finally end for DC later this year.

Next up are the territories - their Jim Crow will come to an end soon too.

[KaiserDave]

It’s been two months and half this forum gives up

Sad

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

Awesome that partisan power grabs are being shot down!

Shot down like a Mayan Reagan's pals got there hands on.

Also change your avatar

[emailking]

The Americans living in DC not getting to have Congressional representation just because Republicans don't want them electing Democrats is the partisan power grab. And yes, it is nice that Jim Crow II will finally end for DC later this year.

Next up are the territories - their Jim Crow will come to an end soon too.

Maybe we're wrong that it's dead, but how are you so confident that it's a given?

[WD]

The Democrats are f**king clowns. I don’t get why this forum defends them so much.

All the winning probably has something to do with it. Y'know, the House; the presidency & the vice presidency; the Senate; the $1.9T stimulus package polling at +40 approval that wouldn't be possible without the Democratic trifecta; the incoming jobs, infrastructure, & climate change package that wouldn't be possible without the Democratic trifecta; etc.

You can’t be serious. It took a meltdown by the GOP to win the Senate. The House was a complete abortion. They should’ve won a majority large enough to last 4-6 years. Instead it’s small enough where there’s virtually no chance of saving it. And the Presidency - I mean the fact it was as close as it was when (IMO) Biden was a great canidate and Trump was literally the worst President of all-time. So Dems get no credit for “winning” except maybe Georgia.

• They’re blundering the Covid relief bill. By taking forever to pass it and bickering back & forth - to the point where voters are going to feel more “finally” instead of thankful and happy.

• It seems likely an infrastructure bill might on the horizon but who knows how watered down it’ll be

• Statehood which would have been HUGE to help even out the structural unfairness (at least a little)

• The voting rights bill isn’t going to be passed.

• No minimum wage hike is going to happen.

• A public option won’t happen.

So Id have to say they’ve been a MAJOR letdown so far

And you know this....how?

[TheReckoning]

Awesome that partisan power grabs are being shot down!

The Americans living in DC not getting to have Congressional representation just because Republicans don't want them electing Democrats is the partisan power grab. And yes, it is nice that Jim Crow II will finally end for DC later this year.

Next up are the territories - their Jim Crow will come to an end soon too.

It’s pretty obvious this is a power grab. Maybe the Republicans opposing it also a power grab, but if this was really about giving the people of DC representation, it would’ve been done all the other times the Democrats held power. Now that they realize that their old coalition isn’t working, they’re trying to find ways to get back power.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Of course it's a power grab, but it was a power grab for Rs to appoint 3 justices that wasn't his.

They got Kennedy to retire and he wasn't sick

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Awesome that partisan power grabs are being shot down!

The Americans living in DC not getting to have Congressional representation just because Republicans don't want them electing Democrats is the partisan power grab. And yes, it is nice that Jim Crow II will finally end for DC later this year.

Next up are the territories - their Jim Crow will come to an end soon too.

It’s pretty obvious this is a power grab. Maybe the Republicans opposing it also a power grab, but if this was really about giving the people of DC representation, it would’ve been done all the other times the Democrats held power. Now that they realize that their old coalition isn’t working, they’re trying to find ways to get back power.

It wasn’t until 2016 that the residents of DC themselves actually passed a statehood referendum and a proppsed state constitution.  So the territory itself was not in a serious position to become a state before then.

[Brittain33]

Republicans seeing small-d democracy and equal representation as an illegitimate “power grab” is at the heart of our current governing crisis. If you don’t see Democratic majorities and diverse populations as equally worthy of power, you’ll embrace violence and voter suppression.

[7,052,770]

The Americans living in DC not getting to have Congressional representation just because Republicans don't want them electing Democrats is the partisan power grab. And yes, it is nice that Jim Crow II will finally end for DC later this year.

Next up are the territories - their Jim Crow will come to an end soon too.

Maybe we're wrong that it's dead, but how are you so confident that it's a given?

Because it's been listed as a major priority by Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer and not a single Democrat has indicated they're opposed.

The process is currently working in the House, and even Merrick Garland was talking about it this week. There's no reason at all to think it's "dead." The numbers are there, it's just not getting all the media attention with the stimulus going on, and that's OK. It will be a state either way by this summer.

[7,052,770]

Awesome that partisan power grabs are being shot down!

The Americans living in DC not getting to have Congressional representation just because Republicans don't want them electing Democrats is the partisan power grab. And yes, it is nice that Jim Crow II will finally end for DC later this year.

Next up are the territories - their Jim Crow will come to an end soon too.

It’s pretty obvious this is a power grab. Maybe the Republicans opposing it also a power grab, but if this was really about giving the people of DC representation, it would’ve been done all the other times the Democrats held power. Now that they realize that their old coalition isn’t working, they’re trying to find ways to get back power.

Not admitting it during Obama's trifecta is bad in hindsight, but the DC statehood movement wasn't as strong then. Times change. People realize that not letting them have representation in Congress is a new Jim Crow these days. It wasn't as apparent to everyone then.

There really isn't another time when it could have been admitted. It was voted down by the Blue Dogs when Clinton had his trifecta.

[Buffalo Mayor Young Kim]

The Americans living in DC not getting to have Congressional representation just because Republicans don't want them electing Democrats is the partisan power grab. And yes, it is nice that Jim Crow II will finally end for DC later this year.

Next up are the territories - their Jim Crow will come to an end soon too.

Maybe we're wrong that it's dead, but how are you so confident that it's a given?

Because it's been listed as a major priority by Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer and not a single Democrat has indicated they're opposed.

The process is currently working in the House, and even Merrick Garland was talking about it this week. There's no reason at all to think it's "dead." The numbers are there, it's just not getting all the media attention with the stimulus going on, and that's OK. It will be a state either way by this summer.

I mean, the issue that people are having is that one Senator has spent the last two weeks beating it into everyone's head how much she loves the filibuster.
It's hard to see her backing down after making it her brand.

[7,052,770]

The Americans living in DC not getting to have Congressional representation just because Republicans don't want them electing Democrats is the partisan power grab. And yes, it is nice that Jim Crow II will finally end for DC later this year.

Next up are the territories - their Jim Crow will come to an end soon too.

Maybe we're wrong that it's dead, but how are you so confident that it's a given?

Because it's been listed as a major priority by Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer and not a single Democrat has indicated they're opposed.

The process is currently working in the House, and even Merrick Garland was talking about it this week. There's no reason at all to think it's "dead." The numbers are there, it's just not getting all the media attention with the stimulus going on, and that's OK. It will be a state either way by this summer.

I mean, the issue that people are having is that one Senator has spent the last two weeks beating it into everyone's head how much she loves the filibuster.
It's hard to see her backing down after making it her brand.

Over the last 2 months we've documented a number of ways DC can be admitted without abolishing the filibuster. Sinema may be a grandstander, but she's not going to perpetuate Jim Crow, and she may not have even to make that call.

[Del Tachi]

The Americans living in DC not getting to have Congressional representation just because Republicans don't want them electing Democrats is the partisan power grab. And yes, it is nice that Jim Crow II will finally end for DC later this year.

Next up are the territories - their Jim Crow will come to an end soon too.

Maybe we're wrong that it's dead, but how are you so confident that it's a given?

Because it's been listed as a major priority by Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer and not a single Democrat has indicated they're opposed.

The process is currently working in the House, and even Merrick Garland was talking about it this week. There's no reason at all to think it's "dead." The numbers are there, it's just not getting all the media attention with the stimulus going on, and that's OK. It will be a state either way by this summer.

I mean, the issue that people are having is that one Senator has spent the last two weeks beating it into everyone's head how much she loves the filibuster.
It's hard to see her backing down after making it her brand.

Over the last 2 months we've documented a number of ways DC can be admitted without abolishing the filibuster. Sinema may be a grandstander, but she's not going to perpetuate Jim Crow, and she may not have even to make that call.

All of which would take 50 affirmative votes, something that there is zero indication exists for this issue.

[emailking]

Yeah if the argument is that Sinema is going to eventually back down on the filibuster, ok I guess it can happen. But it's obviously not going to wind up in a reconciliation bill if the minimum wage can't.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The Americans living in DC not getting to have Congressional representation just because Republicans don't want them electing Democrats is the partisan power grab. And yes, it is nice that Jim Crow II will finally end for DC later this year.

Next up are the territories - their Jim Crow will come to an end soon too.

Maybe we're wrong that it's dead, but how are you so confident that it's a given?

Because it's been listed as a major priority by Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer and not a single Democrat has indicated they're opposed.

The process is currently working in the House, and even Merrick Garland was talking about it this week. There's no reason at all to think it's "dead." The numbers are there, it's just not getting all the media attention with the stimulus going on, and that's OK. It will be a state either way by this summer.

I mean, the issue that people are having is that one Senator has spent the last two weeks beating it into everyone's head how much she loves the filibuster.
It's hard to see her backing down after making it her brand.

Over the last 2 months we've documented a number of ways DC can be admitted without abolishing the filibuster. Sinema may be a grandstander, but she's not going to perpetuate Jim Crow, and she may not have even to make that call.

All of which would take 50 affirmative votes, something that there is zero indication exists for this issue.

Who cares with Biden at 52 Percent approvals not 40 percent like Rs want to believe, and think they are gonna win 15-20 House seats and win the Senate, Dems are gonna have at least 52 Senate seats and narrow Majority of the House after 2022 and D's are gonna pass statehood anyways


That's the minimum without a boom Economy next summer

[7,052,770]

The Americans living in DC not getting to have Congressional representation just because Republicans don't want them electing Democrats is the partisan power grab. And yes, it is nice that Jim Crow II will finally end for DC later this year.

Next up are the territories - their Jim Crow will come to an end soon too.

Maybe we're wrong that it's dead, but how are you so confident that it's a given?

Because it's been listed as a major priority by Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer and not a single Democrat has indicated they're opposed.

The process is currently working in the House, and even Merrick Garland was talking about it this week. There's no reason at all to think it's "dead." The numbers are there, it's just not getting all the media attention with the stimulus going on, and that's OK. It will be a state either way by this summer.

I mean, the issue that people are having is that one Senator has spent the last two weeks beating it into everyone's head how much she loves the filibuster.
It's hard to see her backing down after making it her brand.

Over the last 2 months we've documented a number of ways DC can be admitted without abolishing the filibuster. Sinema may be a grandstander, but she's not going to perpetuate Jim Crow, and she may not have even to make that call.

All of which would take 50 affirmative votes, something that there is zero indication exists for this issue.

Keep dreaming. It's far more likely that Murkowski votes yes than Sinema votes no.

[7,052,770]

Yeah if the argument is that Sinema is going to eventually back down on the filibuster, ok I guess it can happen. But it's obviously not going to wind up in a reconciliation bill if the minimum wage can't.

There's a pretty strong legal argument that admission of new states is not subject to the filibuster in the first place since the process is described in the Constitution. All it would take is for 50 Senators to decide that (Courts would not be involved), and Sinema doesn't even have to look inconsistent. I think that's the best bet, although there are plenty of other plausible paths.

[brucejoel99]

The Democrats are f**king clowns. I don’t get why this forum defends them so much.

All the winning probably has something to do with it. Y'know, the House; the presidency & the vice presidency; the Senate; the $1.9T stimulus package polling at +40 approval that wouldn't be possible without the Democratic trifecta; the incoming jobs, infrastructure, & climate change package that wouldn't be possible without the Democratic trifecta; etc.

You can’t be serious. It took a meltdown by the GOP to win the Senate. The House was a complete abortion. They should’ve won a majority large enough to last 4-6 years. Instead it’s small enough where there’s virtually no chance of saving it. And the Presidency - I mean the fact it was as close as it was when (IMO) Biden was a great canidate and Trump was literally the worst President of all-time. So Dems get no credit for “winning” except maybe Georgia.

• They’re blundering the Covid relief bill. By taking forever to pass it and bickering back & forth - to the point where voters are going to feel more “finally” instead of thankful and happy.

• It seems likely an infrastructure bill might on the horizon but who knows how watered down it’ll be

• Statehood which would have been HUGE to help even out the structural unfairness (at least a little)

• The voting rights bill isn’t going to be passed.

• No minimum wage hike is going to happen.

• A public option won’t happen.

So Id have to say they’ve been a MAJOR letdown so far

If you actually have any real information behind any of your opinions, feel free to post it.

Otherwise, your constant doomer fantasy troll posting is just tiresome.  Haven't you been proven wrong enough yet?

When it comes to masochism, there's no such thing as "enough."

[emailking]

There's a pretty strong legal argument that admission of new states is not subject to the filibuster in the first place since the process is described in the Constitution. All it would take is for 50 Senators to decide that (Courts would not be involved), and Sinema doesn't even have to look inconsistent. I think that's the best bet, although there are plenty of other plausible paths.

I'll happily eat crow if this ends up happening, but it seems like far from a sure thing, given how the last couple weeks have gone.

[MillennialModerate]

Awesome that partisan power grabs are being shot down!

Says someone who supports the party who gerrymanders the house into almost vetoing the will of the people and the party who hijacked the Supreme Court.

And just because you don’t like how they would vote doesn’t mean the people of DC ZHAVING
representation is a “grab grab”

It’s been two months and half this forum gives up

Sad

It’s called facing reality

The Democrats are f**king clowns. I don’t get why this forum defends them so much.

All the winning probably has something to do with it. Y'know, the House; the presidency & the vice presidency; the Senate; the $1.9T stimulus package polling at +40 approval that wouldn't be possible without the Democratic trifecta; the incoming jobs, infrastructure, & climate change package that wouldn't be possible without the Democratic trifecta; etc.

You can’t be serious. It took a meltdown by the GOP to win the Senate. The House was a complete abortion. They should’ve won a majority large enough to last 4-6 years. Instead it’s small enough where there’s virtually no chance of saving it. And the Presidency - I mean the fact it was as close as it was when (IMO) Biden was a great canidate and Trump was literally the worst President of all-time. So Dems get no credit for “winning” except maybe Georgia.

• They’re blundering the Covid relief bill. By taking forever to pass it and bickering back & forth - to the point where voters are going to feel more “finally” instead of thankful and happy.

• It seems likely an infrastructure bill might on the horizon but who knows how watered down it’ll be

• Statehood which would have been HUGE to help even out the structural unfairness (at least a little)

• The voting rights bill isn’t going to be passed.

• No minimum wage hike is going to happen.

• A public option won’t happen.

So Id have to say they’ve been a MAJOR letdown so far

Hard to square this with your vocal love of politicians who make protecting procedural hurdles to doing anything their priority.

Fair enough... I like Manchin and Sinema so much because bipartisanship and compromise shouldn’t always be an awful thing. And I tend to agree with their way of doing things more than the useless Markey wing. But the whole fillibuster bullsh**t is wearing thin on me.... becoming less of a fan by the day