Trump 2nd Impeachment News/Talk Megathread

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

Attorney Angryf#ck is more coherent but talking about everything but what Trump is being impeached for.

...Yeah, there's no defense here. Maybe I'll just turn on The Office or something.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1359242078325256193

Her tweet’s been deleted. What’s he on?

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I don't know if anyone else posted this but I found it interesting:

13 Senators have been jurors in 3 out of the 4 Presidential impeachment trials:
Patrick Leahy of Vermont
Chuck Grassley of Iowa
Mitch McConnell of Kentucky
Richard Shelby of Alabama
Dianne Feinstein of California
Patty Murray of Washington
Jim Inhofe of Oklahoma
Ron Wyden of Oregon
Dick Durbin of Illinois
Jack Reed of Rhode Island
Susan Collins of Maine
Chuck Schumer of New York
Mike Crapo of Idaho

And if the trial happened just a little over a month earlier Pat Roberts of Kansas and Mike Enzi of Wyoming would also be included in this list.

Anyone besides Bernie who served in the House and Senate for all 3 modern impeachments? Not sure if I'm phrasing it correctly.

EDIT: Remember now Graham was in the House for Clinton's as well.

Yep! Besides Bernie and Graham there were quite a few:
Debbie Stabenow of Michigan
Richard Burr of North Carolina
John Thune of South Dakota
Bob Menendez of New Jersey
Ben Cardin of Maryland
Sherrod Brown of Ohio
Roger Wicker of Mississippi
Roy Blunt of Missouri
Jerry Moran of Kansas
Rob Portman of Ohio
Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania
Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin

EDIT: I totally forgot about Ed Markey!

Well, if we're talking about the House, Don Young almost got to vote on a Nixon impeachment as well.

[brucejoel99]

https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1359242078325256193

Her tweet’s been deleted. What’s he on?

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1359242078325256193

Her tweet’s been deleted. What’s he on?

Lmaooooo

[Crumpets]

Have to share this post I just found on Free Republic:

This Trump defense attorney Mr. Castor is WEAK, BORING and a total POS.
He JUST said that when the American people are "FED UP" with the President, they choose a NEW president.

WHAT A TRAITOROUS POS. First, he implies the American people are sick of Trump. Secondly, HE IMPLIES THE 2020 ELECTION WAS LEGITIMATE

BASTARD!

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Does anyone know what time the roll call vote is expected today?

[GALeftist]

Lol "with all due respect Senator Leahy you are unable to act as an impartial juror"

[Crumpets]

"This is our nation's sacred constitution!"

[holds up paperback book filled with post-it notes]

Love it.

[Crumpets]

Slightly off-topic, but does anyone know why Schoen puts his hand on his head when he is taking a sip of water? Is that a religious thing?

[DrScholl]

Have to share this post I just found on Free Republic:

This Trump defense attorney Mr. Castor is WEAK, BORING and a total POS.
He JUST said that when the American people are "FED UP" with the President, they choose a NEW president.

WHAT A TRAITOROUS POS. First, he implies the American people are sick of Trump. Secondly, HE IMPLIES THE 2020 ELECTION WAS LEGITIMATE

BASTARD!

It's really funny that large part of Trump's defense involves recognizing that the election was legitimate. He wanted to remain President, but now he is desperate to highlight that he is no longer President.

[GALeftist]

Slightly off-topic, but does anyone know why Schoen puts his hand on his head when he is taking a sip of water? Is that a religious thing?

He's probably used to wearing a yarmulke and is making sure it doesn't fall off his head (although it's obviously not there atm).

[Torie]

Schoen would be right maybe about the Bill Of Attainder thing if the Senate had the ability to convict Trump of a crime that became a crime only after it had been committed. Another little problem is that his reasoning would apply equally to a sitting President. And that would mean the whole impeachment article would be a dead letter. Trouble here, trouble there, trouble, trouble everywhere. Well, the impeachment article is meant to carve out an exception to the Bill of Attainder prohibition Schoen sort of says maybe as he quickly and poorly reads something that someone else wrote who needs another day job, because the prose sucks, without any textual support. I guess he is not a textualist or an originalist, which is why he disagrees with all the Federalist Society scholars. Sad!

[GALeftist]

Slightly off-topic, but does anyone know why Schoen puts his hand on his head when he is taking a sip of water? Is that a religious thing?

It is, yes, in lieu of a kippah. Some of us - more Orthodox sects particularly - are strict about head covering when eating, drinking, or saying a silent prayer. Kapo Schoen is devout for a mob lawyer.

Does one's own hand count as a kippah? For some reason I had thought that it needed to be someone else's hand so I figured it must be out of habit

[Crumpets]

Prosecution: Colonial-era history lesson
Defense: Colonial-era grammar lesson

[Badger]

This argument on constitutionality of convicting a former holder of public office is such a clear cut, no brainer, slam dunk, open and shut matter, I can't imagine what any defense argument could be other than "muh fraud...muh witch hunt..." Absolutely insane this is what the Republicans are going to use to justify their votes.

Even when his defenders argue against it they keep talking about being (supposedly) impeached after leaving office, bringing up impeaching past presidents, etc. So dishonest.

Why surprise? This is the perfect get off the hook defense for Republicans to acquit Trump. They can avoid having to defend Trumps actions on January 6th they must justify to all their states voters, while still being able to cast a vote getting Trump off " unconstitutional / due process grounds" rather than face a trumpist cult primary challenge.

An ultimate solution for the 90% spineless Republican Party.

[Crumpets]

Raskin just yielded all remaining time back to the Senate. I assume this means we're going straight to roll call?

[riceowl]

Cassidy was a yes

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

Two questions:

1. Is Schoen's argument that removal from office must be a precondition for conviction true?
2. Where's John Roberts?

[Crumpets]

Collins Aye

[Badger]

There has not been one word stated to counteract the charge that Trump incited a riot.

Zero surprise. They're taking their one feasible - - note I didn't say compelling - - argument and running with it. That's actually a good trial strategy. Not that Bruce Castor isn't screwing the pooch in executing it.

[riceowl]

McConnell no
Portman no as well

[Crumpets]

McConnell No

[Alben Barkley]

McConnell no

RIP

[AndyHogan14]

McConnell no
Portman no as well

Then there is zero chance of conviction unless a bunch of Republicans just decide not to show up.