Is shoving Kamala Harris into our face gonna backfire?

[Catalunya]

Even by VP standards Kamala Harris is getting a lot of attention by both the media and Democratic officials. It’s clear as daylight that she is being groomed to be the successor of Biden, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. What I’m worried about is that she will be welcomed as another Hillary Clinton by the electorate who was similarly treated as the successor to Obama after 2012.

Could doing the same thing with Harris backfire for Democrats? There are quite a few similarities and I haven’t even mentioned the biggest one, sexism.

[tosk]

If I was a dem this is what I would worry about. Both her and Hillary were also not very strong politicians, so couple that with a bad image and there could be a bad surprise election night waiting for dems in '24 or '28.

This wouldn't be all it takes but it's not a good start for dems.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

were Joe Biden, Mike Pence, or Al Gore "shoved in our face"?

[Catalunya]

Gore maybe a little bit, but Biden and Pence definitely weren’t. They were just deemed to be ‘interesting’ by the press. Neither parties were particularly gearing Biden/Pence to succeed Trump.

[Bootes Void]

maybe but one thing about Gore or Biden is that no one in 1992 or 2008 were talking about them running for president much so the 8 years allowed them to get them some goodwill from the base. I cant speak for Pence but I generally dont hear much about him like ever

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

maybe but one thing about Gore or Biden is that no one in 1992 or 2008 were talking about them running for president much so the 8 years allowed them to get them some goodwill from the base. I cant speak for Pence but I generally dont hear much about him like ever

Al Gore and Joe Biden literally ran for President before being selected as VP. Biden even ran in 2008.

Pence was also planning on running in 2016 in the early 2010s.

[Bootes Void]

maybe but one thing about Gore or Biden is that no one in 1992 or 2008 were talking about them running for president much so the 8 years allowed them to get them some goodwill from the base. I cant speak for Pence but I generally dont hear much about him like ever

Al Gore and Joe Biden literally ran for President before being selected as VP. Biden even ran in 2008.

Pence was also planning on running in 2016 in the early 2010s.

I was talking about in the aftermath of the election win. For instance you see people talk Harris 2024, even though Biden has expressed that he wants to go for two terms.It would seem a bit strange if people started talking about Gore 1996, Biden 2012 or Pence 2020 right after the President won and there isnt clear indication that they plan to be a one termer

[Catalunya]

maybe but one thing about Gore or Biden is that no one in 1992 or 2008 were talking about them running for president much so the 8 years allowed them to get them some goodwill from the base. I cant speak for Pence but I generally dont hear much about him like ever

Al Gore and Joe Biden literally ran for President before being selected as VP. Biden even ran in 2008.

Pence was also planning on running in 2016 in the early 2010s.

I know, but neither Biden nor Pence were already treated as the successor. They were just seen as possible strong candidates in the primaries in 8 years. Hillary Clinton was treated how Harris is treated now from around 2013 onwards, while Trump could have possibly tried to get one of his kids to succeed him, but I don’t even want to imagine what’s going on inside of his head honestly.

[Beet]

I would be more worried about racism than sexism. America won't elect a Black person. Obama was a one-time exception at a time when White people felt secure, that's not going to be the case during the 2020s.

[Da2017]

If I was a dem this is what I would worry about. Both her and Hillary were also not very strong politicians, so couple that with a bad image and there could be a bad surprise election night waiting for dems in '24 or '28.

This wouldn't be all it takes but it's not a good start for dems.

Some differences. Harris has not been subjected to 30+ years of smears. She doesn't anywhere near as much baggage. Doesn't have the cold and aloof image Hillary had.

[EastwoodS]

I would be more worried about racism than sexism. America won't elect a Black person. Obama was a one-time exception at a time when White people felt secure, that's not going to be the case during the 2020s.

Wut lol

[tosk]

If I was a dem this is what I would worry about. Both her and Hillary were also not very strong politicians, so couple that with a bad image and there could be a bad surprise election night waiting for dems in '24 or '28.

This wouldn't be all it takes but it's not a good start for dems.

Some differences. Harris has not been subjected to 30+ years of smears. She doesn't anywhere near as much baggage. Doesn't have the cold and aloof image Hillary had.

This is a good point.

I wouldn't be shocked if republicans use the next 4/8 years to double down on thrashing her image because... well because she's a likely democrat nominee for president. With this, the freshness of the tainted image might outweigh the fact that she hasn't been a major public figure for 30 years like Hillary had.

[wbrocks67]

How is Kamala being "shoved" into your face? The premise of this thread is terrible and is rooted in bigotry and misogyny

[VAR]

LOL Atlas

[John Dule]

How is Kamala being "shoved" into your face? The premise of this thread is terrible and is rooted in bigotry and misogyny

I think he was speaking figuratively.

[LAKISYLVANIA]

Yes because she'll get the Hillary treatment. TIME made a terrible mistake by adding her to the cover. **** political correctness!!! people forget she pardonned Mnuchin and what she did as AG

[Red Velvet]

How is Kamala being "shoved" into your face? The premise of this thread is terrible and is rooted in bigotry and misogyny

Even here in the outside I’m tired of international media speculation about her being the future US president or not. Who really cares?

There are certain times where there is just a fabricated media narrative that is pushed into people regardless of having a solid support ground or not. When media influences the future by acting like everything is already determined and people can’t escape it so they must get excited by the “story”. It’s the annoying “self-fulfilling prophecy” strategy that mainstream corporate media always goes with and they repeat it again and again until it becomes reality.

When the normal should be the opposite, for people to determine the real “story”. So it’s natural for people to wonder whether a potential backlash could happen without them being misogynist and bigots. I think these people mostly want to feel they have some minimum control of their future and that they don’t have to fall in line with every pre-determined narrative that is imposed by major forces.

Btw, shoving a candidate down people’s throats doesn’t happen only with female candidates. Beto O’Rourke and to a lesser extent, Pete Buttigieg were examples of people in last democratic primaries who received backlash due to excessive propaganda that didn’t align with reality, or that was mostly media being over the top.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

I don’t think the Vice President to the oldest president ever being considered a probable future president is being shoved in our face or some sort of media narrative.

[Former Crackhead Mike Lindell]

The risk is there for Harris to be incumbent enough to get the nomination unopposed, but then lose election

The healthiest thing for everyone is for a competitive '24 primary

No one likes "it's her turn" - Harris needs to show she can win on her own, like Biden did, and not because the party rigs it for her, like they did for Clinton

[VAR]

I'm starting to think I like Harris more than some red avatars on the forum.

[Tintrlvr]

maybe but one thing about Gore or Biden is that no one in 1992 or 2008 were talking about them running for president much so the 8 years allowed them to get them some goodwill from the base. I cant speak for Pence but I generally dont hear much about him like ever

Al Gore and Joe Biden literally ran for President before being selected as VP. Biden even ran in 2008.

Pence was also planning on running in 2016 in the early 2010s.

I was talking about in the aftermath of the election win. For instance you see people talk Harris 2024, even though Biden has expressed that he wants to go for two terms.It would seem a bit strange if people started talking about Gore 1996, Biden 2012 or Pence 2020 right after the President won and there isnt clear indication that they plan to be a one termer

Biden is OLD, the oldest first-term President ever. Blatantly not comparable to Clinton or Obama. And you can find people on this very forum talking about Pence 2020 in 2017.

[ηєω ƒяσηтιєя]

How is Kamala being "shoved" into your face? The premise of this thread is terrible and is rooted in bigotry and misogyny

LOL Atlas

[Coolface Sock #42069]

Even by VP standards Kamala Harris is getting a lot of attention by both the media and Democratic officials. It’s clear as daylight that she is being groomed to be the successor of Biden, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. What I’m worried about is that she will be welcomed as another Hillary Clinton by the electorate who was similarly treated as the successor to Obama after 2012.

Could doing the same thing with Harris backfire for Democrats? There are quite a few similarities and I haven’t even mentioned the biggest one, sexism.

If it does, it will happen in the primary like it did with Hillary.

[Ⓐnarchy in the ☭☭☭P!]

A significant portion of Trump's voters already think Biden literally stole the election. In the event Harris had to replace him, a not at all improbable possibility considering Biden's health and age, she'd have a larger portion of the population doubting her legitimacy than any President since Lincoln and including Ford.

To get ahead of that she basically needs to be shoved in people's faces; otherwise she'll be painted as a deranged socialist BLM agent or a crooked Deep State corporate operative (depending on which wing of the GOP is ascendant when it happens) who only became President because the media deceived the public about Biden's health and Harris's positions. The best case scenario there is a thorough asswhooping in 2022 and bad prospects for 2024 but with the way American political discourse has gone she could end up with a constitutional crisis on her hands.

Frankly it's an uphill battle considering her past, her policies and her personality but the alternative is to let Republicans define her completely and end up like Biden in Miami. She either has to learn how to be likeable or poltically adept and she needs enough genuine support to ward off such potential questions about legitimacy or she needs to be replaced pronto. When there's a remotely plausible chance that the VP could take over they need to look good in the public eye.

[BaldEagle1991]

This will all depend on how Biden will do.