Democrats Need To Stop Unilaterally Disarming

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

We keep screwing ourselves over time after time, and I am sick of it. I have had enough of democrats in red states barely managing to scrape by against horrendous republican opponents, while "moderate" republicans in blue states regularly coast against just fine democrats. We keep giving them advantages over us, and we have to stop shooting ourselves in the foot. Besides, you can never ever trust them, ever. Rudy Giuliani and Chris Christie were once in this category, most of them are lying, thieving, cheating chuds. Heck, even people like Baker and Hogan now show their true colors quite openly and often. They frequently endorse horrific people like Loeffler, Collins, Diehl, O'Connor, Collins, and a hoard of state legislators, and I will go a step further and say you can bet your ass they secretly voted for Trump too. If you are so good, become a dem, we will welcome you with open arms, but it is out there who they really are.

[VBM]

Deep blue states need to stop electing Republican governors. Show them that having an (R) next to your name is toxic

[OSR stands with Israel]

This is bs , up until recently you guys used to win senate seats in the Dakotas places that haven’t been democratic since 1952 . Heck in 2018 you guys won senate seats in WV and MT two places that are far more republican than any seats we hold in democratic states .

Governors wise you hold the gubernatorial office in Kentucky , Louisiana, Kansas which is the same amount of governor we have in deep blue states (MD, MA, VT).

[Mr.Phips]

This is bs , up until recently you guys used to win senate seats in the Dakotas places that haven’t been democratic since 1952 . Heck in 2018 you guys won senate seats in WV and MT two places that are far more republican than any seats we hold in democratic states .

Governors wise you hold the gubernatorial office in Kentucky , Louisiana, Kansas which is the same amount of governor we have in deep blue states (MD, MA, VT).

Yeah and that Kansas governor is likely going to lose in 2022 while the three deep blue state Republicans won in landslides in 2018. 

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

This is bs ,up until recently you guys used to win senate seats in the Dakotas places that haven’t been democratic since 1952 . Heck in 2018 you guys won senate seats in WV and MT two places that are far more republican than any seats we hold in democratic states .

Governors wise you hold the gubernatorial office in Kentucky , Louisiana, Kansas which is the same amount of governor we have in deep blue states (MD, MA, VT).

Doesn't matter. They don't anymore, so we should stop returning the favor.

Barely, against horrific candidates, and they are both prolly gonna flip in 2024.

It's almost like you did not even read my post there. We barely eeked out KY (1pt), LA(2pt), and KS(5pt) against horrific republicans. Meanwhile the GOP barnstormed in MD(12pt), MA(33pt) and VT(40pt). The dems running in MD and MA were mediocre, only the one in VT was nuts.

 

[WD]

That fact that so many Democrats vote for people like Sununu and Hogan, thinking they’re “moderate” (they’re not) is an absolute joke.

[StateBoiler]

That fact that so many Democrats vote for people like Sununu and Hogan, thinking they’re “moderate” (they’re not) is an absolute joke.

Ever considered you're the one out of touch with rank-and-file Democrats, not the Democrats that vote for people like Sununu and Hogan? I get that the bubble is real, you surround yourself with people that only agree with you, and people on online message boards have a difficult time trying to acknowledge that.

[Del Tachi]

boo hoo

[Mr.Phips]

That fact that so many Democrats vote for people like Sununu and Hogan, thinking they’re “moderate” (they’re not) is an absolute joke.

Add Susan Collins to that list.  Shame on Sara Gideon for not repeatedly letting voters know that Collins voted to confirm Kavanaugh and the Trump tax plan and only voted against ACB because she was allowed to by McConnell because he didn’t need her vote.  Shame on the Democratic voters in Maine that fell for Collins’ phony moderate act.

[OSR stands with Israel]

This is bs ,up until recently you guys used to win senate seats in the Dakotas places that haven’t been democratic since 1952 . Heck in 2018 you guys won senate seats in WV and MT two places that are far more republican than any seats we hold in democratic states .

Governors wise you hold the gubernatorial office in Kentucky , Louisiana, Kansas which is the same amount of governor we have in deep blue states (MD, MA, VT).

Doesn't matter. They don't anymore, so we should stop returning the favor.

Barely, against horrific candidates, and they are both prolly gonna flip in 2024.

It's almost like you did not even read my post there. We barely eeked out KY, LA, and KS against horrific republicans. Meanwhile the GOP barnstormed in MD, MA and VT. The dems running in MD and MA were mediocre, only the one in VT was nuts.

 

That was cause all 3 were incumbents lol, when they won the office:

MA: Baker won by 1.5 points
MD: Hogan won by 3.8 points
VT: Scott by 8.7 points


So out of the 3 Scott was the only won to win decisively, the other two barely won against terrible candidates.



On the other hand Dems still won in Connecticut after the very unpopular Malloy years , dominate Illionis politics depsite being one of the most corrupt and worst run states in the country

[Mr.Phips]

This is bs ,up until recently you guys used to win senate seats in the Dakotas places that haven’t been democratic since 1952 . Heck in 2018 you guys won senate seats in WV and MT two places that are far more republican than any seats we hold in democratic states .

Governors wise you hold the gubernatorial office in Kentucky , Louisiana, Kansas which is the same amount of governor we have in deep blue states (MD, MA, VT).

Doesn't matter. They don't anymore, so we should stop returning the favor.

Barely, against horrific candidates, and they are both prolly gonna flip in 2024.

It's almost like you did not even read my post there. We barely eeked out KY, LA, and KS against horrific republicans. Meanwhile the GOP barnstormed in MD, MA and VT. The dems running in MD and MA were mediocre, only the one in VT was nuts.

 

That was cause all 3 were incumbents lol, when they won the office:

MA: Baker won by 1.5 points
MD: Hogan won by 3.8 points
VT: Scott by 8.7 points


So out of the 3 Scott was the only won to win decisively, the other two barely won against terrible candidates.



On the other hand Dems still won in Connecticut after the very unpopular Malloy years , dominate Illionis politics depsite being one of the most corrupt and worst run states in the country

And none of the Dem incumbents you mention will win in their next election, let alone win in landslide like those three Republicans.

[lfromnj]

I love all the complaints about Collins winning when Golden also won. Seems like Mainers like to split their ticket aren't straight line Democrats like most of this forum ? Dems just had bad luck with regards to the fact that Golden has a house seat while Collins has a Senate seat.

[VAR]

boo hoo

[The Right Honourable Martin Brian Mulroney PC CC GOQ]

Absolutely. Civility, decorum, and reaching across the aisle are all good things. But you gotta be assertive. When it comes to getting things done, Democrats need to be less Obama and more LBJ--be willing to compromise with your political opponents, but only if it's reciprocal. If they don't give in, you make them.

I can't understand why Democrats are so fixated on finding 'good guy republicans'. What do they think this will achieve? Mitch McConnell will start acting like Charlie Baker because some Democrat praised him? That's just not how it works. Compare that to how the GOP acts--to them, any Democrat, even a decidedly moderate to even centre-right democrat like Doug Jones or Joe Manchin, is a 'socialist'. This is not a balanced relationship.

I was pulling my hair out when Chris Coons was on CNN a couple weeks ago talking about how  senate Republicans are saying nice things to Joe Biden secretly. WHO CARES? Publicly, every Republican was somewhere on the spectrum of "I accept the outcome if we investigate fraud" to "Joe Biden didn't win the election." They were digging themselves a hole to die in, and Coons came around with a bag of soil to help fill it.

[Non Swing Voter]

of course they do. 

it's idiotic to consider someone like Collins anything but a right wing hack.  yeah she's "concerned" and she sometimes votes with the other side, but notice how it never changes the outcome of a vote, like when she voted against ACB.  It's because Mitch McConnell knew he had the votes and let her switch to pretend to be less of a partisan.  The only time her vote has ever mattered was on ACA, but that's only because John McCain voted the bill down at the last minute.

[AGA]

Why do you care about the party of northeast governors?

[Tekken_Guy]

Also in the house. Biden won PA-1 by around the same margin Trump won WI-3. Meanwhile, Brian Fitzpatrick cruised to re-election while Ron Kind barely hung on to his seat.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

This is bs ,up until recently you guys used to win senate seats in the Dakotas places that haven’t been democratic since 1952 . Heck in 2018 you guys won senate seats in WV and MT two places that are far more republican than any seats we hold in democratic states .

Governors wise you hold the gubernatorial office in Kentucky , Louisiana, Kansas which is the same amount of governor we have in deep blue states (MD, MA, VT).

Doesn't matter. They don't anymore, so we should stop returning the favor.

Barely, against horrific candidates, and they are both prolly gonna flip in 2024.

It's almost like you did not even read my post there. We barely eeked out KY, LA, and KS against horrific republicans. Meanwhile the GOP barnstormed in MD, MA and VT. The dems running in MD and MA were mediocre, only the one in VT was nuts.

 

That was cause all 3 were incumbents lol, when they won the office:

MA: Baker won by 1.5 points
MD: Hogan won by 3.8 points
VT: Scott by 8.7 points


So out of the 3 Scott was the only won to win decisively, the other two barely won against terrible candidates.



On the other hand Dems still won in Connecticut after the very unpopular Malloy years , dominate Illionis politics depsite being one of the most corrupt and worst run states in the country

That is actually so retarded. JBE was an incumbent with his 2 pt eeking out, he nosedived in reelection unlike the republicans, and Beshear and Kelly are likely screwed. And those are two solid blue states that barely held out for dems in some races recently, so proving my point.

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Why do you care about the party of northeast governors?

We must stop enabling trash like Christie and Giuliani to rise to the national stage.

[AGA]

Why do you care about the party of northeast governors?

We must stop enabling trash like Christie and Giuliani to rise to the national stage.

Scott and Baker are trash?

[Co-Chair Bagel23]

Why do you care about the party of northeast governors?

We must stop enabling trash like Christie and Giuliani to rise to the national stage.

Scott and Baker are trash?

Baker is deffo trash. Endorsing trumpist republicans in MA all the time, I bet he even secretly voted for Trump. Maybe Scott is not, but it aint worth the risk, and it aint worth rewarding them when they dont reward us the same way.

[DrScholl]

One thing that Democrats are not good at is messaging and framing their opponents as extremists even when they really are not.

[TransfemmeGoreVidal]

I think this post maybe overestimates the degree to which people in deep blue states have an abiding loyalty to the Democratic Party, many don't. They'll vote Democrat at the national level because they recognize the insanity of the national GOP in it's current incarnation but may very well be conservative in other respects. I mean yes it may be true that Democrats are more likely to split their tickets then Republicans but I don't know if that's as significant a factor in some states as moderate to conservative leaning independents.

[Alcibiades]

This is a reflection of what we already know, that polarisation in America is asymmetric, being driven far more by Republicans than Democrats.

I would actually say that it is good that Democrats continue to vote for a guy like Scott (not fake moderates like Collins and Sununu, though), as it sends a message to the local GOP that there is a benefit to keeping sane.

But yes, it is hugely frustrating that red states continue to elect (or almost elect) horrific candidates over moderate, likeable, well-qualified Democrats. Their loss, I guess.

The worst example has to be Greg “Body Slam” Gianforte: a guy with a pretty bad scandal, which clearly shows him up to be a vile human being, who has nonetheless won 3 statewide elections in a red state which is one of the most open to electing Dems.

[Alben Barkley]

I really don’t think RINOs like Baker and Hogan are even close to the problem with the GOP, nor do I think blue states electing them is “unilateral disarmament.” After all, KY, KS, and LA all have Democratic governors. And there are still more Democratic senators from red states (Manchin, Tester, etc.) than the other way around.