PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

[Senator Spark]

Oh boy, this isn't going according to plan. We have two avant-garde candidates who have no semblance of how to run a campaign. Fetterman is running memes while Oz is just being the Wizard Oz. It's anyone's guess who wins this one, but I'd say the winner will get under 50.

[wesmoorenerd]

Oh boy, this isn't going according to plan. We have two avant-garde candidates who have no semblance of how to run a campaign. Fetterman is running memes while Oz is just being the Wizard Oz. It's anyone's guess who wins this one, but I'd say the winner will get under 50.

It really boggles my mind that people are looking at Fetterman's Twitter memes and thinking "wow this clearly must be all he's doing! there's no way that he's combining a savvy social media presence with effective TV advertising and a strong public persona through multiple forms of media!"

[wbrocks67]

Oh boy, this isn't going according to plan. We have two avant-garde candidates who have no semblance of how to run a campaign. Fetterman is running memes while Oz is just being the Wizard Oz. It's anyone's guess who wins this one, but I'd say the winner will get under 50.

It really boggles my mind that people are looking at Fetterman's Twitter memes and thinking "wow this clearly must be all he's doing! there's no way that he's combining a savvy social media presence with effective TV advertising and a strong public persona through multiple forms of media!"

Yeah the cope in this thread is getting really bad. Some people are refusing to believe that Fetterman is simply objectively running a better and smarter overall campaign and Oz's campaign is literally more and more of a dumpster fire each day.

[Minnesota Mike]

Agreed, serious question. Can we consider having one thread for real updates and one thread for posting Fetterman memes every 5 minutes? This is getting beyond the scope of what’s interesting and frankly what’s useful

We need to get past these silly memes and on to the important stuff like what kind of junk the person in the next stall has, how the 2020 election was stolen, and how a wall on the southern border will keep out people who don't know how to use a ladder.

Of course the social media stuff is ridiculous but guess what, most political campaigning has been ridiculous since the country was founded.  DR Oz having recently moved to PA is an issue, raising it  in a memorable way is a legit part of the story of this campaign.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Oh boy, this isn't going according to plan. We have two avant-garde candidates who have no semblance of how to run a campaign. Fetterman is running memes while Oz is just being the Wizard Oz. It's anyone's guess who wins this one, but I'd say the winner will get under 50.

It really boggles my mind that people are looking at Fetterman's Twitter memes and thinking "wow this clearly must be all he's doing! there's no way that he's combining a savvy social media presence with effective TV advertising and a strong public persona through multiple forms of media!"

Yeah the cope in this thread is getting really bad. Some people are refusing to believe that Fetterman is simply objectively running a better and smarter overall campaign and Oz's campaign is literally more and more of a dumpster fire each day.

You're in PA, what's the race look like off social media?

[ProgressiveModerate]

I agree with what some posters above are saying. Many of these memes will never get much further than ET, and I wish there was more discussion about what Fettermans greater campaign messaging and strategy could actually mean for a realistic path to victory. What kinds of voters may this either activate or persuade to his side? Could it help Oz with some small groups in any way?

Ultimately a Fetterman win will probably have to defy partisanship of the year a bit, so how this is achieve able should be talked about

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Oh boy, this isn't going according to plan. We have two avant-garde candidates who have no semblance of how to run a campaign. Fetterman is running memes while Oz is just being the Wizard Oz. It's anyone's guess who wins this one, but I'd say the winner will get under 50.

It really boggles my mind that people are looking at Fetterman's Twitter memes and thinking "wow this clearly must be all he's doing! there's no way that he's combining a savvy social media presence with effective TV advertising and a strong public persona through multiple forms of media!"

Yeah the cope in this thread is getting really bad. Some people are refusing to believe that Fetterman is simply objectively running a better and smarter overall campaign and Oz's campaign is literally more and more of a dumpster fire each day.

Spark is quite literally an Ozcrat. Don't give his sour grapes the time of the day. For all of my crotchety bullsh*t about Lamb and Hassan, I would never vote for the Republican. 

[Devout Centrist]

Oz would be doing wayyy better if he just started running ads that say something like, “ENDORSED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP”. The fact he’s completely abandoned any reference to Trump on the trail AND the fact he is terrible on the doorstep is a recipe for disaster. I could see a huge undervote in the Senate race if he keeps this up.

[Mr. Smith]

Oz would be doing wayyy better if he just started running ads that say something like, “ENDORSED BY PRESIDENT TRUMP”. The fact he’s completely abandoned any reference to Trump on the trail AND the fact he is terrible on the doorstep is a recipe for disaster. I could see a huge undervote in the Senate race if he keeps this up.

Trump lost this time.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

Oh boy, this isn't going according to plan. We have two avant-garde candidates who have no semblance of how to run a campaign. Fetterman is running memes while Oz is just being the Wizard Oz. It's anyone's guess who wins this one, but I'd say the winner will get under 50.

It really boggles my mind that people are looking at Fetterman's Twitter memes and thinking "wow this clearly must be all he's doing! there's no way that he's combining a savvy social media presence with effective TV advertising and a strong public persona through multiple forms of media!"

Yeah the cope in this thread is getting really bad. Some people are refusing to believe that Fetterman is simply objectively running a better and smarter overall campaign and Oz's campaign is literally more and more of a dumpster fire each day.

Spark is quite literally an Ozcrat. Don't give his sour grapes the time of the day. For all of my crotchety bullsh*t about Lamb and Hassan, I would never vote for the Republican. 

Err…IIRC Spark has always been a Republican

[wbrocks67]

Oh boy, this isn't going according to plan. We have two avant-garde candidates who have no semblance of how to run a campaign. Fetterman is running memes while Oz is just being the Wizard Oz. It's anyone's guess who wins this one, but I'd say the winner will get under 50.

It really boggles my mind that people are looking at Fetterman's Twitter memes and thinking "wow this clearly must be all he's doing! there's no way that he's combining a savvy social media presence with effective TV advertising and a strong public persona through multiple forms of media!"

Yeah the cope in this thread is getting really bad. Some people are refusing to believe that Fetterman is simply objectively running a better and smarter overall campaign and Oz's campaign is literally more and more of a dumpster fire each day.

You're in PA, what's the race look like off social media?

The thing that I've found interesting again is just the activation among young voters. Most of the young people I know (fellow millennials) are pretty apathetic, don't enjoy Joe Biden, but Fetterman is doing a good job IMO of keeping them activated and wanting to vote FOR him and not against anything.

There's also been obviously a lot of uproar among my peers about Roe v Wade, and the governor race. Not so much "i love Josh Shapiro!!" but knowing that this Gov vote is incredibly important.

On the airwaves at least, I've seen the GOP ads linking Shapiro and Biden together, which are particularly funny, but at least their not as bad as the RINO Oz ads in the primary lol. Fetterman has continued to be up on TV, and there's also been a LOT (probably the most) of pro-Shapiro / anti-Mastriano ads running.

Also lots of the "Oz is too extreme for PA" (same messaging for Mastriano)

No ads for Pro-Oz at all

[wbrocks67]

Yikes.... Oz only raised $1.6M in Q2, compared to Fettermans $11M.

Oz put in an additional $2.2M of his own money

https://twitter.com/JoshKraushaar/status/1548249948587585537

[wbrocks67]

Yikes even worse-

Contributions from donors who gave less than $200.

From those donors:

Fetterman in the quarter: $5,081,512.83
Oz: $151,899.60

https://twitter.com/julianrouth/status/1548301052557942784

[RussFeingoldWasRobbed]

I now do wish McCormick won the primary and he may have without polls showing Barnette in 2nd lol.

McCormick wouldn't have been any better, in fact he may have been worse. TV personality is slightly more appealing than a hedge fund manager lol.

[Horus]

I now do wish McCormick won the primary and he may have without polls showing Barnette in 2nd lol.

McCormick wouldn't have been any better, in fact he may have been worse. TV personality is slightly more appealing than a hedge fund manager lol.

Yeah, Fetterman dodged a huge bullet with Barnette. Had she started her climb just a week or so earlier she'd be the nominee, and we'd be looking at a lean R race.

[wbrocks67]

I now do wish McCormick won the primary and he may have without polls showing Barnette in 2nd lol.

McCormick wouldn't have been any better, in fact he may have been worse. TV personality is slightly more appealing than a hedge fund manager lol.

Yeah, Fetterman dodged a huge bullet with Barnette. Had she started her climb just a week or so earlier she'd be the nominee, and we'd be looking at a lean R race.

No we wouldn't. McCormick likely wouldve made it a lean R race. Barnette would've still been a tossup. She would be able to consolidate the Trumpers but would've quickly turned off key moderates.

[Sir Mohamed]

I now do wish McCormick won the primary and he may have without polls showing Barnette in 2nd lol.

McCormick wouldn't have been any better, in fact he may have been worse. TV personality is slightly more appealing than a hedge fund manager lol.

Yeah, Fetterman dodged a huge bullet with Barnette. Had she started her climb just a week or so earlier she'd be the nominee, and we'd be looking at a lean R race.

Wasn't she a far-right conspirancy weirdo? I guess Oz is still somewhat better than this.

Despite his lackluster fundraising, he can still narrowly win this race if the wave is big enough to carry him over the top. But this election definitely looks more winnable for Dems than it did 4-6 months ago.

[Horus]

I now do wish McCormick won the primary and he may have without polls showing Barnette in 2nd lol.

McCormick wouldn't have been any better, in fact he may have been worse. TV personality is slightly more appealing than a hedge fund manager lol.

Yeah, Fetterman dodged a huge bullet with Barnette. Had she started her climb just a week or so earlier she'd be the nominee, and we'd be looking at a lean R race.

No we wouldn't. McCormick likely wouldve made it a lean R race. Barnette would've still been a tossup. She would be able to consolidate the Trumpers but would've quickly turned off key moderates.

McCormick is a boring empty suit who wouldn't have motivated a soul. Barnette would've pumped up turnout in a lot of right wing communities especially evangelicals with her personal story. The attacks Fetterman is using on Oz, and other than the residency stuff the attacks he'd be using on McCormick would never work with Barnette. Plus she could use the jogger incident against him to nudge turnout down a tad in places like west Philly, Wilkinsburg and Harrisburg.

Mastriano is also a far right conspiracy weirdo and he's doing better than Oz.

[OSR stands with Israel]

I now do wish McCormick won the primary and he may have without polls showing Barnette in 2nd lol.

McCormick wouldn't have been any better, in fact he may have been worse. TV personality is slightly more appealing than a hedge fund manager lol.

The issue is Oz doesn’t seem to be actively campaigning

[GeorgiaModerate]

I now do wish McCormick won the primary and he may have without polls showing Barnette in 2nd lol.

McCormick wouldn't have been any better, in fact he may have been worse. TV personality is slightly more appealing than a hedge fund manager lol.

The issue is Oz doesn’t seem to be actively campaigning

I'm getting the impression that some Republican candidates think that all they had to do is win the primary and then they can sleepwalk to victory in November due to the environment, even in competitive states.  Oz is in this category and so is J.D. Vance.

[President Johnson]

I now do wish McCormick won the primary and he may have without polls showing Barnette in 2nd lol.

McCormick wouldn't have been any better, in fact he may have been worse. TV personality is slightly more appealing than a hedge fund manager lol.

The issue is Oz doesn’t seem to be actively campaigning

I'm getting the impression that some Republican candidates think that all they had to do is win the primary and then they can sleepwalk to victory in November due to the environment, even in competitive states.  Oz is in this category and so is J.D. Vance.

The only difference is that one is running in a red state and the other in a purple state that still had Democrrats winning national and statewide races more often than not in the past decade.

I generally have the impression that Republicans take things for granted with their recruitments and campaign styles. Back in 2018, I felt Democrats way more often "played it safe".

[wbrocks67]

I now do wish McCormick won the primary and he may have without polls showing Barnette in 2nd lol.

McCormick wouldn't have been any better, in fact he may have been worse. TV personality is slightly more appealing than a hedge fund manager lol.

The issue is Oz doesn’t seem to be actively campaigning

I'm getting the impression that some Republican candidates think that all they had to do is win the primary and then they can sleepwalk to victory in November due to the environment, even in competitive states.  Oz is in this category and so is J.D. Vance.

The only difference is that one is running in a red state and the other in a purple state that still had Democrrats winning national and statewide races more often than not in the past decade.

I generally have the impression that Republicans take things for granted with their recruitments and campaign styles. Back in 2018, I felt Democrats way more often "played it safe".

Well more often than not in purple/swing states, Democratic primary voters generally try and put the GE in mind and play it safe too. GOP primary voters more often than not do not.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

I now do wish McCormick won the primary and he may have without polls showing Barnette in 2nd lol.

McCormick wouldn't have been any better, in fact he may have been worse. TV personality is slightly more appealing than a hedge fund manager lol.

The issue is Oz doesn’t seem to be actively campaigning

Sure he is! Just look how great he's doing:
https://twitter.com/PatsSteaks/status/1548064449797312515

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Oh boy, this isn't going according to plan. We have two avant-garde candidates who have no semblance of how to run a campaign. Fetterman is running memes while Oz is just being the Wizard Oz. It's anyone's guess who wins this one, but I'd say the winner will get under 50.

It really boggles my mind that people are looking at Fetterman's Twitter memes and thinking "wow this clearly must be all he's doing! there's no way that he's combining a savvy social media presence with effective TV advertising and a strong public persona through multiple forms of media!"

Yeah the cope in this thread is getting really bad. Some people are refusing to believe that Fetterman is simply objectively running a better and smarter overall campaign and Oz's campaign is literally more and more of a dumpster fire each day.

It's interesting to see. I can't even pearl-clutch about "muh Lamb disunity". The actual Lamb supporters who were enthusiastic about him are backing Fetterman with the same energy!

For all the defenses you and Mr. X made of him, you both stated your defenses of Lamb well enough, your concerns with Fetterman, and still fought for him in the general as if Lamb won. As a Fetterman hack, I'm very glad to say I was wrong, especially about you, and I'm glad you're on our side.

It's only those who saw Lamb as a vehicle to stop Fetterman who are bitter.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

I now do wish McCormick won the primary and he may have without polls showing Barnette in 2nd lol.

McCormick wouldn't have been any better, in fact he may have been worse. TV personality is slightly more appealing than a hedge fund manager lol.

The issue is Oz doesn’t seem to be actively campaigning

Sure he is! Just look how great he's doing:
https://twitter.com/PatsSteaks/status/1548064449797312515

I was drinking a glass of milk and almost choked.  

For the cheesesteak unaware, Pat's and Geno's are two famous rival cheesesteak businesses right across the street from each other in South Philly.  Pat's opened first -- I believe in the thirties.  Geno's opened....I wanna say in the 60's.  They've been warring ever since.  

Geno's late owner got himself into hot water about seventeen years ago for featuring a sticker at the ordering window that read "THIS IS AMERICA.  WHEN ORDERING, SPEAK ENGLISH", which led to a big debate about whether it was xenophobic or not.  Joe Vento (the owner) claimed it was simply for the customer's benefit -- that if they don't speak English, they may not get what they want.

(But anyway, both places are overrated according to my Philly peeps.)