PA-SN 2022 megathread: Shrek vs. The Wizard of Oz

[Arizona Iced Tea]

I know Lamb is a "fake moderate" but he would have been able to contrast himself from someone like Barnette as a moderate vs radical. Nominating Fetterman takes that ability away from the Dems, because Fetterman on the issues is very similar to Bernie Sanders. While Barnette also comes off as very right wing, Republicans can afford to get more leeway with picking their nominee because of the national environment.

[Horus]

Very smart of Barnette to put her Evangelical identity front and center. I think Oz's religion is turning off some voters.

[ElectionsGuy]

Why I think Barnette is stronger than Oz/McCormick, despite any baggage of her being "extreme": It's becoming clear that Fetterman is going to try and run a somewhat populist localized campaign, much like Tim Ryan. He can easily attack Oz and McCormick as out of touch, out of state, rich guys who don't care about working people and who are insincere with their political flip-flopping. Can't really do that with Barnette.

[S019]

I know Lamb is a "fake moderate" but he would have been able to contrast himself from someone like Barnette as a moderate vs radical. Nominating Fetterman takes that ability away from the Dems, because Fetterman on the issues is very similar to Bernie Sanders. While Barnette also comes off as very right wing, Republicans can afford to get more leeway with picking their nominee because of the national environment.

These are basically my exact thoughts, it is going to hard for Fetterman to play the “Barnette is an extremist” card when he’s going to be pummeled with ads calling him a socialist, which are at least somewhat true in reality.

Why I think Barnette is stronger than Oz/McCormick, despite any baggage of her being "extreme": It's becoming clear that Fetterman is going to try and run a somewhat populist localized campaign, much like Tim Ryan. He can easily attack Oz and McCormick as out of touch, out of state, rich guys who don't care about working people and who are insincere with their political flip-flopping. Can't really do that with Barnette.

Ultimately, none of this will actually matter, the types of voters who would be swayed by that messaging are gone for Democrats now and on the other hand, Fetterman actually could be uniquely weak in some of the suburban areas that Democrats need to do well in to win in Pennsylvania (not that any of this will actually matter in a year as red as this one).

[wbrocks67]

I know Lamb is a "fake moderate" but he would have been able to contrast himself from someone like Barnette as a moderate vs radical. Nominating Fetterman takes that ability away from the Dems, because Fetterman on the issues is very similar to Bernie Sanders. While Barnette also comes off as very right wing, Republicans can afford to get more leeway with picking their nominee because of the national environment.

These are basically my exact thoughts, it is going to hard for Fetterman to play the “Barnette is an extremist” card when he’s going to be pummeled with ads calling him a socialist, which are at least somewhat true in reality.

Why I think Barnette is stronger than Oz/McCormick, despite any baggage of her being "extreme": It's becoming clear that Fetterman is going to try and run a somewhat populist localized campaign, much like Tim Ryan. He can easily attack Oz and McCormick as out of touch, out of state, rich guys who don't care about working people and who are insincere with their political flip-flopping. Can't really do that with Barnette.

Ultimately, none of this will actually matter, the types of voters who would be swayed by that messaging are gone for Democrats now and on the other hand, Fetterman actually could be uniquely weak in some of the suburban areas that Democrats need to do well in to win in Pennsylvania (not that any of this will actually matter in a year as red as this one).

People need to stop talking about PA as if they live here and know. If you actually lived in PA, once again you'd know that there a considerable amount of voters close to the middle who would be more turned off by Barnette being extremist than Fetterman being a 'socialist', especially since none of those attacks have really landed on Fetterman either.

And the Barnette is an extremist attacks are way more in line with reality than Fetterman being a socialist.

[MT Treasurer]

Why I think Barnette is stronger than Oz/McCormick, despite any baggage of her being "extreme": It's becoming clear that Fetterman is going to try and run a somewhat populist localized campaign, much like Tim Ryan. He can easily attack Oz and McCormick as out of touch, out of state, rich guys who don't care about working people and who are insincere with their political flip-flopping. Can't really do that with Barnette.

Ultimately, none of this will actually matter, the types of voters who would be swayed by that messaging are gone for Democrats now and on the other hand, Fetterman actually could be uniquely weak in some of the suburban areas that Democrats need to do well in to win in Pennsylvania (not that any of this will actually matter in a year as red as this one).

This isn’t entirely true — whether Fetterman can cut into Republican margins or minimize Republican gains in those places absolutely matters in a state like this since the GOP has no buffer/cushion in PA (unlike in OH, where even a Ryan overperformance in his old CD would make no difference in terms of binary outcome for the sole reason that Democrats start out from too deep a hole for it to matter). While I agree that his appeal to those voters is likely overstated, you’re essentially asking Fetterman to write off large swaths of the state, which is never a good idea in an (almost) evenly divided state won on margins more so than county flips. At the very least, you should try not to alienate even more of those voters.

Rick Scott would have never won in FL in 2018 if his campaign had just looked at the "trends" in Miami-Dade in 2004/2008/2012/2016 and completely written off gains in that Clinton +29 county as essential to their path to victory statewide.

[Suburbia]

It’s not hard to see why Republican voters in Pennsylvania are connecting with Barnette. There is something about this ad which strikes a nerve, particularly among the evangelical crowd. Compare that to the Dr. Oz ad which is very obvious pandering that the 2A crowd won’t buy as easily. People can see through Oz and it’s clear conservatives are looking for a more authentic candidate. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Barnette won, even with Trumps anti-endorsement and that of other Republican Party leaders. 

The sad thing about her is that she has a nice story and a nice family. She looks like the future of America. I can see her winning. Sad thing is that the Black community won't embrace her. You think Joy Reid or a Sheryl Lee Ralph or a Tiffany Cross or a Roland Martin will embrace her? She ain't Black, she's a Uncle Tom/Aunt Tomisana, Aunt Jemima, etc.

[swf541]

I know Lamb is a "fake moderate" but he would have been able to contrast himself from someone like Barnette as a moderate vs radical. Nominating Fetterman takes that ability away from the Dems, because Fetterman on the issues is very similar to Bernie Sanders. While Barnette also comes off as very right wing, Republicans can afford to get more leeway with picking their nominee because of the national environment.

These are basically my exact thoughts, it is going to hard for Fetterman to play the “Barnette is an extremist” card when he’s going to be pummeled with ads calling him a socialist, which are at least somewhat true in reality.

Why I think Barnette is stronger than Oz/McCormick, despite any baggage of her being "extreme": It's becoming clear that Fetterman is going to try and run a somewhat populist localized campaign, much like Tim Ryan. He can easily attack Oz and McCormick as out of touch, out of state, rich guys who don't care about working people and who are insincere with their political flip-flopping. Can't really do that with Barnette.

Ultimately, none of this will actually matter, the types of voters who would be swayed by that messaging are gone for Democrats now and on the other hand, Fetterman actually could be uniquely weak in some of the suburban areas that Democrats need to do well in to win in Pennsylvania (not that any of this will actually matter in a year as red as this one).

Its not going to be hard to label her at all if the GOP ticket is her and Mastriano

[LDP Everywhere]

Kathy Barnette used to tweet like Chuck Grassley.https://mobile.twitter.com/Kathy4Truth/status/648675332816375811https://mobile.twitter.com/Kathy4Truth/status/663573161359884288https://mobile.twitter.com/Kathy4Truth/status/663420072254287872

[wbrocks67]

It’s not hard to see why Republican voters in Pennsylvania are connecting with Barnette. There is something about this ad which strikes a nerve, particularly among the evangelical crowd. Compare that to the Dr. Oz ad which is very obvious pandering that the 2A crowd won’t buy as easily. People can see through Oz and it’s clear conservatives are looking for a more authentic candidate. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Barnette won, even with Trumps anti-endorsement and that of other Republican Party leaders. 

The sad thing about her is that she has a nice story and a nice family. She looks like the future of America. I can see her winning. Sad thing is that the Black community won't embrace her. You think Joy Reid or a Sheryl Lee Ralph or a Tiffany Cross or a Roland Martin will embrace her? She ain't Black, she's a Uncle Tom/Aunt Tomisana, Aunt Jemima, etc.

LMAO because this ad is propaganda. Barnette can talk all about her "story" but that doesn't erase the disgusting things she's said in the last 6 years, along with the extremist things she supports.

[ProgressiveModerate]

It’s not hard to see why Republican voters in Pennsylvania are connecting with Barnette. There is something about this ad which strikes a nerve, particularly among the evangelical crowd. Compare that to the Dr. Oz ad which is very obvious pandering that the 2A crowd won’t buy as easily. People can see through Oz and it’s clear conservatives are looking for a more authentic candidate. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if Barnette won, even with Trumps anti-endorsement and that of other Republican Party leaders. 

The sad thing about her is that she has a nice story and a nice family. She looks like the future of America. I can see her winning. Sad thing is that the Black community won't embrace her. You think Joy Reid or a Sheryl Lee Ralph or a Tiffany Cross or a Roland Martin will embrace her? She ain't Black, she's a Uncle Tom/Aunt Tomisana, Aunt Jemima, etc.

LMAO because this ad is propaganda. Barnette can talk all about her "story" but that doesn't erase the disgusting things she's said in the last 6 years, along with the extremist things she supports.

Even though I disagree what she stands for in it, this ad is actually pretty nice and reasonable and she comes off as very tame and respectable. It's more her debate speeches, interviews on Fox, and 30 second ads that are the propaganda.

If you had shown just this ad to me and nothing else, I'd be like okay I disagree with her on abortion, but she seems like a very respectable person who has the chance to have good appeal. Unfortunately, I doubt she's gonna be airing this 4 minute ad on TVs around PA.

[Shaula🏳️‍⚧️]

Got a gut feeling Oz is gonna lose. Hope I'm wrong.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Oz just became a politician he was onTV so he never ran for political office and neither has Vance OH is tilt R state but the idea that he is gonna walk over Ryan is inaccurate when there are no polls because Johnson may overperform that's why we need a wave insurance seat


The same with Oz he is a political newcomer and idea he was gonna walk into office is inaccurate, he still has a slight advantage, hes probably gonna win narrowly by two but an upset can happen

Also, Melania Trump said she liked Oz, that's why Trump endorsed Oz over McCormick

Vance and Oz aren't Portman and Toomey whom were primed politics

But, the lack of polling in the rust belt is frustrating too, and users are just going along and thinking Vance is gonna win by 2M votes like Portman did just because Biden Approvaks are low, lol we haven't voted yet, you see the NC poll has it tied

If I didn't believe that there was wave insurance seats I would make a 303 map but NC is tied and Beasley should be down 7 pts, but NC is still a swing state Trump only carried it 1.5

Fox news said that NC maybe our number 2 seat after PA not WI

Just note to Rs we won OH in 2018 and Midterms are far less Partisan than Prez terms that's why NC and OH are gonna be closer than 2020

[kyc0705]

Kathy Barnette used to tweet like Chuck Grassley

Don't forget about:
https://twitter.com/Kathy4Truth/status/421667950895308800

[Senator Incitatus]

My gut says Barnette is going to be the next Senator from Pennsylvania with a campaign more similar to Trump 2016 than any since.

[Holy Unifying Centrist]

Kathy Barnette used to tweet like Chuck Grassley

Don't forget about:
https://twitter.com/Kathy4Truth/status/421667950895308800

"ANUS" stands for "A New US Senate". Vote for Kathy for ANUS!

[chickentitilater]

American politics is just vibes

https://mobile.twitter.com/lrozen/status/1525549534486614016

https://mobile.twitter.com/lrozen/status/1525551881464029185

[GALeftist]

American politics is just vibes

https://mobile.twitter.com/lrozen/status/1525549534486614016

https://mobile.twitter.com/lrozen/status/1525551881464029185

>its real

[Morning in Atlas]

Very glad that I don't even have to reach out about Lamb.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

American politics is just vibes

https://mobile.twitter.com/lrozen/status/1525549534486614016
https://mobile.twitter.com/lrozen/status/1525551881464029185

>its real

The white working class voted for Tom wolf not Fetterman who has no general election accomplishment at all.

[Morning in Atlas]

The white working class voted for Tom wolf not Fetterman who has no general election accomplishment at all.

Cope and seethe

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

The white working class voted for Tom wolf not Fetterman who has no general election accomplishment at all.

Cope and seethe

The "Articulate" Left at work here

[Pheurton Skeurto]

The white working class voted for Tom wolf not Fetterman who has no general election accomplishment at all.

Buddy you’re replying to a tweet that demonstrates the literal opposite. You’re denying reality by saying this. Disliking Fetterman’s positions is one thing; overlooking his appeal to make yourself feel better is another.

[Secretary of State Liberal Hack]

The white working class voted for Tom wolf not Fetterman who has no general election accomplishment at all.

Buddy you’re replying to a tweet that demonstrates the literal opposite. You’re denying reality by saying this. Disliking Fetterman’s positions is one thing; overlooking his appeal to make yourself feel better is another.

The meme I was replying too has him overlaying the 2018 gubernatorial results which were driven by Tom wolf

[Suburbia]

This election is Pure Tossup.

Anyone can win.

Fetterman can go down with the black jogger thing, and Barnette with her family can use this against him....

So Democrats should look at Lamb as an alternative....