The New York Times has found its new diner articles,Zapata county

[lfromnj]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/us/texas-democrats-red-blue.html
Glorious news!

Seems like Biden shouldn't have made those oil comments.

[Roronoa D. Law]

The Democrats are in disarray!

[Kamala's side hoe]

Seems like Biden shouldn't have made those oil comments.

Yeah I'd preface any sort of Green New Deal/green jobs/renewable energy pitch with "We'll always need oil as a raw product for making products we all use everyday", before talking about finding alternatives for using it as an energy source.

[Bootes Void]

I heard alot of latinos near the border especially in texas work in border patrol and immigration, So the dem rhetoric against it pushed them away as alot of them look at it as employment

[BudgieForce]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/us/texas-democrats-red-blue.html
Glorious news!

Seems like Biden shouldn't have made those oil comments.

Why? So Biden could lose Texas by 5 points instead of 6?

[ibagli]

Far-South Texas is maybe the most ignored region of the country compared to its actual population, so even hackish diner journalism is a step up.

[lfromnj]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/us/texas-democrats-red-blue.html
Glorious news!

Seems like Biden shouldn't have made those oil comments.

Why? So Biden could lose Texas by 5 points instead of 6?

Biden did pretty bad in Harris too atleast relatively.

[Battista Minola 1616]

Zapata County is going to become the next Atlas meme after Elliott County, rest assured.

It's a shame we don't do that for ancestrally Republican places though. Riley County Kansas memes when

[lfromnj]

Zapata County is going to become the next Atlas meme after Elliott County, rest assured.

It's a shame we don't do that for ancestrally Republican places though. Riley County Kansas memes when

I tried doing it for Darien

I even created a thread on Bloomfield Hill MI

Darien swung even further left this year to +21 Biden btw.

[BudgieForce]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/us/texas-democrats-red-blue.html
Glorious news!

Seems like Biden shouldn't have made those oil comments.

Why? So Biden could lose Texas by 5 points instead of 6?

Biden did pretty bad in Harris too atleast relatively.

And I'm sure Biden's comments hurt him there too. But losing Texas by 600,000 votes means Biden had other issues here that went beyond clean energy transitions and oil subsidies.

[Sbane]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/us/texas-democrats-red-blue.html
Glorious news!

Seems like Biden shouldn't have made those oil comments.

Indeed. If Democrats actually support working class folks, they shouldn't try to take their jobs away. Stop trying to stop fracking and definitely stop trying to derail pipeline construction. Oil and Gas workers are one of the last classes of working class people in America who can make decent money. The party of working people shouldn't be trying to destroy those jobs. Invest in clean energy all you want, but stopping oil and gas production is just ing stupid.

[Sbane]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/07/us/texas-democrats-red-blue.html
Glorious news!

Seems like Biden shouldn't have made those oil comments.

Why? So Biden could lose Texas by 5 points instead of 6?

Did you look at the margin in Harris County? Look at its demographics and explain  why it didn't vote for Biden by 20 points. Oil and gas workers and the workers in all the ancillary oil services companies built up around them are worth more than a point buddy. Look at the swings in Southeast New Mexico as well while you are at it.

[Hope For A New Era]

Zapata County is going to become the next Atlas meme after Elliott County, rest assured.

It's a shame we don't do that for ancestrally Republican places though. Riley County Kansas memes when

Well, Riley County is very easy to explain. It's just #trends. Ancestrally Democratic places feel like mystical lost kingdoms. How do you explain Elliott County? Why did it vote D all the way until 2012 and then suddenly flip hard? Why then? Why so dramatically? Why did it vote D at the state level in 2019? Why did it then vote for Mitch McConnell by a large margin a year later? No one knows or understands it.

[Alcibiades]

Zapata County is going to become the next Atlas meme after Elliott County, rest assured.

It's a shame we don't do that for ancestrally Republican places though. Riley County Kansas memes when

I’m not sure Zapata has quite the allure of Elliot County, because there are several counties near to it which have still never voted Republican (although they probably posted their highest percentage for the party ever this year). Riley would actually be a better candidate in this regard.

[Hammy]

Yep, surely it's oil/green new deal/"whatever issue I disagree with him on". Surely his loss of support along the border had nothing to do with his complete and total lack of outreach to Hispanics.

[Former President tack50]

Zapata County is going to become the next Atlas meme after Elliott County, rest assured.

It's a shame we don't do that for ancestrally Republican places though. Riley County Kansas memes when

I’m not sure Zapata has quite the allure of Elliot County, because there are several counties near to it which have still never voted Republican (although they probably posted their highest percentage for the party ever this year). Riley would actually be a better candidate in this regard.

Yeah, if anything the next Ellliott County should be Starr County, TX. Down to literally never voting Republican

[Battista Minola 1616]

Zapata County is going to become the next Atlas meme after Elliott County, rest assured.

It's a shame we don't do that for ancestrally Republican places though. Riley County Kansas memes when

I’m not sure Zapata has quite the allure of Elliot County, because there are several counties near to it which have still never voted Republican (although they probably posted their highest percentage for the party ever this year). Riley would actually be a better candidate in this regard.

Yeah, if anything the next Ellliott County should be Starr County, TX. Down to literally never voting Republican

1. Starr County voted Republican in 1892, and also in 1872, 1876 and 1880. Although granted, it was geographically larger back then.

2. Starr County did not vote Republican this year. We'd have to wait at least four years to see if it flips in 2024, but next time there may be unexpected hard swings in totally different parts of the country. Zapata County instead "is already there" since it flipped in 2020.

[lfromnj]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-bemoans-lackluster-latino-turnout-for-biden-been-sounding-the-alarm


AOC did sound an Alarm but I highly doubt she had critical appeal to Latino swing voters
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1134136091450236928?

I don't think the word Latinx is an end all for Hispanic/Latino voters but it certainly does make the Democrats seem out of touch. Even if Biden(wisely) decided to avoid using the word most D politicians have started to use it.

[BaldEagle1991]

I predicted this was gonna happen.

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

I heard alot of latinos near the border especially in texas work in border patrol and immigration, So the dem rhetoric against it pushed them away as alot of them look at it as employment

This may also be an overlooked factor in the rural swing against Democrats increasingly in favour of criminal justice reform (although a long, long way from the most significant, I should add). Certain rural communities benefit from prison growth in their economies and are voting their interest when they vote for more incarceration-friendly policies.

[Kuumo]

I predicted this was gonna happen.

Same.

Zapata County, TX, woo what a shift.

There's gonna be a lot of media going there asking a bunch of Hispanics "Why did you vote for Trump?" in the coming weeks.

This is going to be the new "We interviewed people at a diner in a small town in Pennsyltucky that you've never heard of."

Yep, surely it's oil/green new deal/"whatever issue I disagree with him on". Surely his loss of support along the border had nothing to do with his complete and total lack of outreach to Hispanics.

It’s a good thing that Latinos actually weren’t part of his path to victory. Obviously that doesn’t excuse it, but the Biden campaign knew where to focus to win the electoral college, unlike Hillary’s campaign. Black voters will still be more important than Latino voters in the electoral college as long as WI, MI, and PA are still in reach for Democrats. Latino voters will become extremely important to the electoral college if and when Democrats start winning statewide in Texas.

[DaleCooper]

I was skeptical before the election, but I'm convinced now that the Democratic collapse with hispanic voters is an outreach problem. I think the Democratic Party can correct this, but it needs to stop with the denial. Yes, the 2020 primary forced a lot of toxic and unelectable policy positions into the mainstream discussion and I'm certain that didn't help, but it also didn't help that the Party ignored the red flags regarding hispanic support.

The great, fantastic news is that unlike in 2016, the Democratic Party can figure out how to resolve this problem in victory instead of defeat, and I'm optimistic that we can do that.

[LabourJersey]

I heard alot of latinos near the border especially in texas work in border patrol and immigration, So the dem rhetoric against it pushed them away as alot of them look at it as employment

This may also be an overlooked factor in the rural swing against Democrats increasingly in favour of criminal justice reform (although a long, long way from the most significant, I should add). Certain rural communities benefit from prison growth in their economies and are voting their interest when they vote for more incarceration-friendly policies.

If this is true then it's awfully depressing to think about whole communities that are so reliant on something as morbid as increasing incarceration and private prisons

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

I heard alot of latinos near the border especially in texas work in border patrol and immigration, So the dem rhetoric against it pushed them away as alot of them look at it as employment

This may also be an overlooked factor in the rural swing against Democrats increasingly in favour of criminal justice reform (although a long, long way from the most significant, I should add). Certain rural communities benefit from prison growth in their economies and are voting their interest when they vote for more incarceration-friendly policies.

If this is true then it's awfully depressing to think about whole communities that are so reliant on something as morbid as increasing incarceration and private prisons

It's like any other complex. The military-industrial complex used to get lots of popular support because of manufacturing jobs (in the UK, the socialist/socdem party supports building nukes but not actually using them because of this) and you can point to similar dynamics in big pharma's sway.

I agree it's particularly nasty considering it depends on directly and comprehensively stripping way people's freedoms and then using their unpaid labour, but plenty of voters aren't going to think that far down the road. They'll just look at their pocketbook and buy into the messaging to avoid harder truths.

[Badger]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-bemoans-lackluster-latino-turnout-for-biden-been-sounding-the-alarm


AOC did sound an Alarm but I highly doubt she had critical appeal to Latino swing voters
https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1134136091450236928?

I don't think the word Latinx is an end all for Hispanic/Latino voters but it certainly does make the Democrats seem out of touch. Even if Biden(wisely) decided to avoid using the word most D politicians have started to use it.

The tweets from a Puerto Rican resident of the Bronx might have very little sway to rural RGV tejanos.