WI-SEN 2022 Megathread: Who stole my cheese?

[wbrocks67]

The entire quote is even worse

https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1567607996275908610

[Calthrina950]

The entire quote is even worse

https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1567607996275908610

Johnson and Baldwin absolutely hate each other, so it's not surprising that he would be denigrating her in his remarks here.

[ProgressiveModerate]

The entire quote is even worse

https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1567607996275908610

Johnson and Baldwin absolutely hate each other, so it's not surprising that he would be denigrating her in his remarks here.

They are objectively the most toxic Senate delegation towards eachother. At least folks like Tester and Daines or Manchin and Capito get along fine as they all have pretty chill personalities. In this case it really seems to be more on Johnson's end but also Baldwin tending to be a pretty firm Dem and ot falling for a lot of R bs.

I do wonder if there's some level of tension between Lee and Romney?

[Calthrina950]

The entire quote is even worse

https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1567607996275908610

Johnson and Baldwin absolutely hate each other, so it's not surprising that he would be denigrating her in his remarks here.

They are objectively the most toxic Senate delegation towards eachother. At least folks like Tester and Daines or Manchin and Capito get along fine as they all have pretty chill personalities. In this case it really seems to be more on Johnson's end but also Baldwin tending to be a pretty firm Dem and ot falling for a lot of R bs.

I do wonder if there's some level of tension between Lee and Romney?

I wouldn't be surprised if there were. Lee is by far the most conservative member of Utah's congressional delegation, as the gay marriage vote will show. And of course, he voted to acquit Trump and has been a hardline conservative through his time in office, much more so than Romney.

Another example of a good Senatorial relationship is that between Brown and Portman in Ohio. Brown is a generic liberal Democrat and Portman is a "country club" Republican, but they've always gotten along well. But from all accounts, Johnson is a distinctly unpleasant individual, and I wouldn't be surprised if his affinity for conspiracy theories is also a factor in his poor relationship with Baldwin.

[ProgressiveModerate]

The entire quote is even worse

https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1567607996275908610

Johnson and Baldwin absolutely hate each other, so it's not surprising that he would be denigrating her in his remarks here.

They are objectively the most toxic Senate delegation towards eachother. At least folks like Tester and Daines or Manchin and Capito get along fine as they all have pretty chill personalities. In this case it really seems to be more on Johnson's end but also Baldwin tending to be a pretty firm Dem and ot falling for a lot of R bs.

I do wonder if there's some level of tension between Lee and Romney?

I wouldn't be surprised if there were. Lee is by far the most conservative member of Utah's congressional delegation, as the gay marriage vote will show. And of course, he voted to acquit Trump and has been a hardline conservative through his time in office, much more so than Romney.

Another example of a good Senatorial relationship is that between Brown and Portman in Ohio. Brown is a generic liberal Democrat and Portman is a "country club" Republican, but they've always gotten along well. But from all accounts, Johnson is a distinctly unpleasant individual, and I wouldn't be surprised if his affinity for conspiracy theories is also a factor in his poor relationship with Baldwin.

While I agree Johnson is uniquely toxic compared to most Senate Rs, I would have a hard time seeing Baldwin truly "getting along" with most any R in the sense they're actual friends. She def isn't as toxic overall.

[Calthrina950]

The entire quote is even worse

https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1567607996275908610

Johnson and Baldwin absolutely hate each other, so it's not surprising that he would be denigrating her in his remarks here.

They are objectively the most toxic Senate delegation towards eachother. At least folks like Tester and Daines or Manchin and Capito get along fine as they all have pretty chill personalities. In this case it really seems to be more on Johnson's end but also Baldwin tending to be a pretty firm Dem and ot falling for a lot of R bs.

I do wonder if there's some level of tension between Lee and Romney?

I wouldn't be surprised if there were. Lee is by far the most conservative member of Utah's congressional delegation, as the gay marriage vote will show. And of course, he voted to acquit Trump and has been a hardline conservative through his time in office, much more so than Romney.

Another example of a good Senatorial relationship is that between Brown and Portman in Ohio. Brown is a generic liberal Democrat and Portman is a "country club" Republican, but they've always gotten along well. But from all accounts, Johnson is a distinctly unpleasant individual, and I wouldn't be surprised if his affinity for conspiracy theories is also a factor in his poor relationship with Baldwin.

While I agree Johnson is uniquely toxic compared to most Senate Rs, I would have a hard time seeing Baldwin truly "getting along" with most any R in the sense they're actual friends. She def isn't as toxic overall.

Why would it be difficult for you to envision this?

[ProgressiveModerate]

The entire quote is even worse

https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1567607996275908610

Johnson and Baldwin absolutely hate each other, so it's not surprising that he would be denigrating her in his remarks here.

They are objectively the most toxic Senate delegation towards eachother. At least folks like Tester and Daines or Manchin and Capito get along fine as they all have pretty chill personalities. In this case it really seems to be more on Johnson's end but also Baldwin tending to be a pretty firm Dem and ot falling for a lot of R bs.

I do wonder if there's some level of tension between Lee and Romney?

I wouldn't be surprised if there were. Lee is by far the most conservative member of Utah's congressional delegation, as the gay marriage vote will show. And of course, he voted to acquit Trump and has been a hardline conservative through his time in office, much more so than Romney.

Another example of a good Senatorial relationship is that between Brown and Portman in Ohio. Brown is a generic liberal Democrat and Portman is a "country club" Republican, but they've always gotten along well. But from all accounts, Johnson is a distinctly unpleasant individual, and I wouldn't be surprised if his affinity for conspiracy theories is also a factor in his poor relationship with Baldwin.

While I agree Johnson is uniquely toxic compared to most Senate Rs, I would have a hard time seeing Baldwin truly "getting along" with most any R in the sense they're actual friends. She def isn't as toxic overall.

Why would it be difficult for you to envision this?

Prolly just cause the fact she's more progressive than basically every other split delegation Dem. It's be hard for her to be truly friends or even on good terms with any Rs who oppose Democracy and stuff.

[Ferguson97]

The entire quote is even worse

https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1567607996275908610

Johnson and Baldwin absolutely hate each other, so it's not surprising that he would be denigrating her in his remarks here.

They are objectively the most toxic Senate delegation towards eachother. At least folks like Tester and Daines or Manchin and Capito get along fine as they all have pretty chill personalities. In this case it really seems to be more on Johnson's end but also Baldwin tending to be a pretty firm Dem and ot falling for a lot of R bs.

I do wonder if there's some level of tension between Lee and Romney?

I wouldn't be surprised if there were. Lee is by far the most conservative member of Utah's congressional delegation, as the gay marriage vote will show. And of course, he voted to acquit Trump and has been a hardline conservative through his time in office, much more so than Romney.

Another example of a good Senatorial relationship is that between Brown and Portman in Ohio. Brown is a generic liberal Democrat and Portman is a "country club" Republican, but they've always gotten along well. But from all accounts, Johnson is a distinctly unpleasant individual, and I wouldn't be surprised if his affinity for conspiracy theories is also a factor in his poor relationship with Baldwin.

While I agree Johnson is uniquely toxic compared to most Senate Rs, I would have a hard time seeing Baldwin truly "getting along" with most any R in the sense they're actual friends. She def isn't as toxic overall.

Why would it be difficult for you to envision this?

Prolly just cause the fact she's more progressive than basically every other split delegation Dem. It's be hard for her to be truly friends or even on good terms with any Rs who oppose Democracy and stuff.

Also she's a lesbian, so I imagine it would be difficult to get along with people who oppose your civil rights.

[JM1295]

The entire quote is even worse

https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1567607996275908610

Johnson and Baldwin absolutely hate each other, so it's not surprising that he would be denigrating her in his remarks here.

One of the funniest parts of Wisconsin senate races is seeing Baldwin or Johnson actively campaign against the other. It makes sense why they don't care for each other to put it lightly. Most split senate delegations have more moderate Senators or at least more mainstream Dems and Republicans. Baldwin is one of the more progressive Democeats in the Senate, while Johnson is one of the more conservative. It speaks to how evenly split the state is.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

The entire quote is even worse

https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1567607996275908610

Johnson and Baldwin absolutely hate each other, so it's not surprising that he would be denigrating her in his remarks here.

One of the funniest parts of Wisconsin senate races is seeing Baldwin or Johnson actively campaign against the other. It makes sense why they don't care for each other to put it lightly. Most split senate delegations have more moderate Senators or at least more mainstream Dems and Republicans. Baldwin is one of the more progressive Democeats in the Senate, while Johnson is one of the more conservative. It speaks to how evenly split the state is.

I think Walker/Ossoff will be up there if Georgia flips this year.

[ProgressiveModerate]

The entire quote is even worse

https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1567607996275908610

Johnson and Baldwin absolutely hate each other, so it's not surprising that he would be denigrating her in his remarks here.

One of the funniest parts of Wisconsin senate races is seeing Baldwin or Johnson actively campaign against the other. It makes sense why they don't care for each other to put it lightly. Most split senate delegations have more moderate Senators or at least more mainstream Dems and Republicans. Baldwin is one of the more progressive Democeats in the Senate, while Johnson is one of the more conservative. It speaks to how evenly split the state is.

I think Walker/Ossoff will be up there if Georgia flips this year.

While Walker may not be the best politician, I feel liek neither of them have personalities as toxic as Johnson's, or at least that they're willing to express in the public light. The way I imagine it going is Ossoff would moreso just be annoyed with Walker rather than actively despising him, especially if ass Senator he continues to have these Gaffes.

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/MikeBradleyMKE/status/1569484045809258496

[Xing]

https://twitter.com/MikeBradleyMKE/status/1569484045809258496

This was pretty much inevitable, and it's telling that Barnes is put in a very different category of "candidate quality" than, for example, Fetterman, and isn't considered "in touch" despite having a working class background and spending a good amount of time in rural Wisconsin. The issue for Barnes is that, unfortunately, he does have to be careful if he decides to respond directly to this or call it out, since he could easily be painted in a negative way if any response of his is deemed "aggressive."

[ProgressiveModerate]

https://twitter.com/MikeBradleyMKE/status/1569484045809258496

This was pretty much inevitable, and it's telling that Barnes is put in a very different category of "candidate quality" than, for example, Fetterman, and isn't considered "in touch" despite having a working class background and spending a good amount of time in rural Wisconsin. The issue for Barnes is that, unfortunately, he does have to be careful if he decides to respond directly to this or call it out, since he could easily be painted in a negative way if any response of his is deemed "aggressive."

Honestly in many ways the PA and WI senate races are pretty similar:

-PA and WI have nearly identical partisanship and simillar demographics
-Johnson and Oz are both out of touch and have said their share of offputting things
-Fetterman and Barnes are running on being a solid Dem, not some moderate hero, but still portraying good optics
-Both Fetterman and Barnes are LGs who saw clear consolidation of support in the primary
-Both Fetterman and Barnes know how to use various forms of media well, at least compared to their opponents
-Fetterman and Barnes are very much running all county campaigns and doing outreach to rural areas
-Johnson and Oz have really tried to redo their image to make them more relateable with various degrees of success
-Polling has been pretty simillar in both races but we know both states can have problems with polling

The main differences are:

-Johnson is there incumbent whereas Oz isn’t
-Johnson is def a bit more full maga than Oz
-Fetterman is white and hence has an easier time painting himself as that WWC union champion compared to Barnes
-Fetterman stroke

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

https://twitter.com/MikeBradleyMKE/status/1569484045809258496

This was pretty much inevitable, and it's telling that Barnes is put in a very different category of "candidate quality" than, for example, Fetterman, and isn't considered "in touch" despite having a working class background and spending a good amount of time in rural Wisconsin. The issue for Barnes is that, unfortunately, he does have to be careful if he decides to respond directly to this or call it out, since he could easily be painted in a negative way if any response of his is deemed "aggressive."

Honestly in many ways the PA and WI senate races are pretty similar:

-PA and WI have nearly identical partisanship and simillar demographics
-Johnson and Oz are both out of touch and have said their share of offputting things
-Fetterman and Barnes are running on being a solid Dem, not some moderate hero, but still portraying good optics
-Both Fetterman and Barnes are LGs who saw clear consolidation of support in the primary
-Both Fetterman and Barnes know how to use various forms of media well, at least compared to their opponents
-Fetterman and Barnes are very much running all county campaigns and doing outreach to rural areas
-Johnson and Oz have really tried to redo their image to make them more relateable with various degrees of success
-Polling has been pretty simillar in both races but we know both states can have problems with polling

The main differences are:

-Johnson is there incumbent whereas Oz isn’t
-Johnson is def a bit more full maga than Oz
-Fetterman is white and hence has an easier time painting himself as that WWC union champion compared to Barnes
-Fetterman stroke

Yeah Mandela Barnes ran with Tony Evers in 2018 and defeat Kleefisch and Scott Walker did you know that in 2018 lol Johnson hasn't lead in a single poll

Even TRAFALGAR and Fox has Johnson behind look at the database it's colored D

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

The entire quote is even worse

https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1567607996275908610

Feeling even better about my decision to support Barnes with a donation and may just make another one.

Johnson needs to go.

[Kahane's Grave Is A Gender-Neutral Bathroom]

The entire quote is even worse

https://twitter.com/HeartlandSignal/status/1567607996275908610

Johnson and Baldwin absolutely hate each other, so it's not surprising that he would be denigrating her in his remarks here.

One of the funniest parts of Wisconsin senate races is seeing Baldwin or Johnson actively campaign against the other. It makes sense why they don't care for each other to put it lightly. Most split senate delegations have more moderate Senators or at least more mainstream Dems and Republicans. Baldwin is one of the more progressive Democeats in the Senate, while Johnson is one of the more conservative. It speaks to how evenly split the state is.

I think Walker/Ossoff will be up there if Georgia flips this year.

While Walker may not be the best politician, I feel liek neither of them have personalities as toxic as Johnson's, or at least that they're willing to express in the public light. The way I imagine it going is Ossoff would moreso just be annoyed with Walker rather than actively despising him, especially if ass Senator he continues to have these Gaffes.

Eh. I think for Walker personalities 1, 3, 6, 10 are less toxic, but 2, 5, 8, and 9 are more. 7 is difficult to judge.

[Pollster]

https://twitter.com/rpyers/status/1570851308621664259?s=20&t=YOWLN3zJvr-n9NK...

[Progressive Pessimist]

https://twitter.com/rpyers/status/1570851308621664259?s=20&t=YOWLN3zJvr-n9NK...

Yep. That makes sense. That good old Wisconsin dark money will deliver for Johnson once again.

[SnowLabrador]

This is sickening. But I guess it's just like the deferrals in Never Let Me Go - it's easiest to come to terms with Barnes having no chance if you understand that he never had a chance. We didn't lose anything.

[GeorgiaModerate]

This is sickening. But I guess it's just like the deferrals in Never Let Me Go - it's easiest to come to terms with Barnes having no chance if you understand that he never had a chance. We didn't lose anything.

Your dooming is so predictable and tiresome. 

[ProgressiveModerate]

In all seriousness why exactly did Johnson overperform Trump so much in 2016, especially relative to a lot of the gop candidates who would’ve been expected to overpeform the top of the ticket by more (Toomey, Ayotte, ect). Was Finegold just like really bad or did he have some unique appeal I’m not aware of? It just seems strange given he seemed to have the most baggage throughout the cycle of the incumbent Rs.

[Ferguson97]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1572240107855581184

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

In all seriousness why exactly did Johnson overperform Trump so much in 2016, especially relative to a lot of the gop candidates who would’ve been expected to overpeform the top of the ticket by more (Toomey, Ayotte, ect). Was Finegold just like really bad or did he have some unique appeal I’m not aware of? It just seems strange given he seemed to have the most baggage throughout the cycle of the incumbent Rs.

The Rs underperformed Trump when he wasn't on the ballot WI, PA, OH, KY 2018/2019 that's why Wolf won by 17 and Tammy Baldwin won by 10 and Brown won by 7

[7,052,770]

Isn’t it also a case that the average person is more likely to know someone who is in a SSM rather than someone who has had an abortion and told them about it…

Maybe, but given that 30-40% of women have had an abortion, they are actually much more common than LGBT people.

I get why most of them never tell anyone though, given the level of fervor and vitriol most anti-abortion people have toward those who've been involved in the procedure.