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« on: October 15, 2020, 09:27:56 AM »


The shining example of "handling coronavirus the right way", Europe which had punishing lockdowns during the spring is experiencing a resurgence of coronavirus cases and re-imposing the lockdowns.

Could this new development which shatters the mainstream media's success story be just the thing Trump needs to completely discredit the Biden position on handling the coronavirus and win over support?

Please discuss.
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« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2020, 09:30:41 AM »

No, because polls have shown that majorities of the American public are okay with new shutdown orders if the cases get worse and the scientists recommend it.
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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2020, 09:34:27 AM »

Of course this will not help Trump. It just reinforces that the pandemic is serious, which Trump denies. Every second the focus is on COVID, it hurts Trump.
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« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2020, 09:36:20 AM »

No, because polls have shown that majorities of the American public are okay with new shutdown orders if the cases get worse and the scientists recommend it.

Sentiments change quickly, particularly on topics nobody knows much about.
I watched Chris Cuomo on CNN last night and he was open to a conversation about a change in approach and the pros and cons of the herd immunity concept.
If he was willing to contemplate it, I bet others are willing too.
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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2020, 09:37:35 AM »

Of course this will not help Trump. It just reinforces that the pandemic is serious, which Trump denies. Every second the focus is on COVID, it hurts Trump.

This is proof that lockdowns don't work.
I think it helps Trump. He can talk about what Biden would do rather than what he did.
He can't escape COVID.
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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2020, 09:38:23 AM »

Of course this will not help Trump. It just reinforces that the pandemic is serious, which Trump denies. Every second the focus is on COVID, it hurts Trump.

This is proof that lockdowns don't work.
I think it helps Trump. He can talk about what Biden would do rather than what he did.
He can't escape COVID.


This is 100% not what most people will take away from it. They'll see that COVID is surging again somewhere new and remember what a disastrous job Trump did handling the crisis.
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2020, 09:38:45 AM »

The issue isn't the lockdowns, it's the 200,000 dead.

Just because the pandemic isn't over anywhere doesn't mean Trump suddenly didn't handle this terribly.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2020, 09:40:39 AM »

The issue isn't the lockdowns, it's the 200,000 dead.

Just because the pandemic isn't over anywhere doesn't mean Trump suddenly didn't handle this terribly.

Of course, but he will try to spin it. He will claim that Europe handled it even worse and they were following the Biden playbook.
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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2020, 09:41:02 AM »

The jobless claims are at 900k again. The objective performance here is obviously not showing up for Trump. Could this show that Trump should be given the benefit of the doubt?
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« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2020, 09:42:25 AM »

Anything that reminds people about COVID-19 (whatever it may be) hurts Trump. 
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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2020, 09:42:47 AM »

There we go again. The #EuropeLockdownBump follows #MaskBump, #StimulousBump, #ProtestsBump, #RNCBump, #BoatCrashTrump, #ExecutiveOrderBump, #SympathyBump and the #DebateBump.

Btw, there isn't even a full lockdown in Europe, just partial in some countries. Most Americans don't care that much, let alone chance their vote. And if they pay attention, is bad news for Trump because COVID19 is again the dominating headline.
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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2020, 09:44:00 AM »

Here we go again.
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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2020, 09:46:28 AM »

Let's ask a better question: How does this help Biden?

It helps Biden because COVID relief and control is a major part of Biden's campaign that voters view far more favorably than Trump's failure and complete lack of a plan. Stop immediately asking yourself whether something helps Trump; if "COVID" is part of the question, chances are that it will not help him.
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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2020, 09:46:34 AM »

Will European leaders doing what Trump should be supporting help Trump by making it look like things are better here because we're not doing it even though they aren't?
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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2020, 09:47:08 AM »

Every day Covid continues to dominate the headlines....
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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2020, 09:51:01 AM »

The term "lockdown" is grossly overused (and not specifically you, OP; the term gets thrown around in the media far too lightly).  Yes, there were some countries that enforced strict stay-at-home policies, but these haven't been in place for months (Italy lifted its order in May, for instance).  

In other words: it's not as though all of Europe has been under house arrest since March and they're now suddenly experiencing a surge in cases.  
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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2020, 09:51:57 AM »

No, because polls have shown that majorities of the American public are okay with new shutdown orders if the cases get worse and the scientists recommend it.

Sentiments change quickly, particularly on topics nobody knows much about.
I watched Chris Cuomo on CNN last night and he was open to a conversation about a change in approach and the pros and cons of the herd immunity concept.
If he was willing to contemplate it, I bet others are willing too.


No, no one is thinking about herd immunity except for insane people.
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« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2020, 09:52:06 AM »

Even with the new upsurge, Europe has about 2.2 times our population but only 6% more deaths. So yeah, they've objectively handled it better than the U.S.
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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2020, 09:52:37 AM »

(Insert news event) happened today.  Will Ljube create a thread asking if it helps Trump?
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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2020, 09:53:30 AM »

No. Americans don't care about Europeans.
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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2020, 09:56:59 AM »

No, because polls have shown that majorities of the American public are okay with new shutdown orders if the cases get worse and the scientists recommend it.

Sentiments change quickly, particularly on topics nobody knows much about.
I watched Chris Cuomo on CNN last night and he was open to a conversation about a change in approach and the pros and cons of the herd immunity concept.
If he was willing to contemplate it, I bet others are willing too.


No, no one is thinking about herd immunity except for insane people.

You are very dismissive of ideas which are not aligned with your own.
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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2020, 09:58:20 AM »

Trump is done, AZ and IA are gone clinches 272 for Biden
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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2020, 09:58:38 AM »

Most Americans don't care about what's happening in Europe. Also, like others have said, this just reinforces the fact that the virus is serious.
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« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2020, 10:05:04 AM »

I think Trump needs to portray his handling of coronavirus as better than European handling of coronavirus and link the way Europe handled it to the way Biden would handle it. That is the only way he can win on the subject of coronavirus and he can't avoid talking about it.
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« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2020, 10:07:59 AM »

No, it will just reaffirm that this pandemic is serious and highlight how foolish Trump looks for acting as if it does not exist/telling the public not to fear it and live your life.

I am not sure I favor another lockdown, but I do favor a national mask mandate. I also oppose my state lifting restaurant/bar capacity limits.
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