2020 Absentee/Early Voting thread

[Gass3268]

https://twitter.com/srl/status/1318328000941871104

Yup, Dems need to pack the court. 5 out of 9 justices are anti-democracy

the PA law states that ballots must be received by election day and the Governor changed that.


https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/governor-wolf-signs-election-reform-bill-including-new-mail-in-voting/

And the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that it was okay because of the pandemic. Shows that the majority of the court doesn't care about Federalism.

Its the legislature that decides rules not the freakin unelected courts . This shows exactly why we need a conservative court cause liberal justices believe the courts should be super legislatures

Lol this court is elected

The Constitution clearly states the state legislature is what is supposed to decide the rules not the  judicial branch in the states.


John Roberts really disappointed me cause I thought he was a strict constructionist

You don't seem to understand how checks and balances work.

OSR only supports Federalism when it helps Republicans.

[Non Swing Voter]

There seems to be confusion as to what SCOTUS can do here, which isn't much.  Even if the rule was stayed it was unlikely to be struck down.  The US Constitution gives the Federal Government the right to preempt the state governments if it has a specific power enumerated to it.  The state government, through its various branches can determine its own laws and rules as long as they aren't preempted.  The PA Supreme Court has the final say on violations of the STATE constitution.  The Federal Gov. can't preempt in this situation.  

[OSR stands with Israel]

There seems to be confusion as to what SCOTUS can do here, which isn't much.  Even if the rule was stayed it was unlikely to be struck down.  The US Constitution gives the Federal Government the right to preempt the state governments if it has a specific power enumerated to it.  The state government, through its various branches can determine its own laws and rules as long as they aren't preempted.  The PA Supreme Court has the final say on violations of the STATE constitution.  The Federal Gov. can't preempt in this situation.  

Did the PA court rule this law as unconstitutional or did they just unilaterally  just amend it

https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/governor-wolf-signs-election-reform-bill-including-new-mail-in-voting/

[Hindsight was 2020]

So essentially OSR seems to be arguing a state legislature should be unchecked. Because when you think that the state Supreme Court reaffirming a executive order by a governor to extended absentee ballots on the reasonable grounds of we are in the middle of a pandemic that the legislature hasn’t done solely for partisan/undemocratic reasons are the ones out of line then you are essentially calling for the state legislature to be have the power to rig our democracy to their liking

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://twitter.com/srl/status/1318328000941871104

Yup, Dems need to pack the court. 5 out of 9 justices are anti-democracy

the PA law states that ballots must be received by election day and the Governor changed that.


https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/governor-wolf-signs-election-reform-bill-including-new-mail-in-voting/

And the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that it was okay because of the pandemic. Shows that the majority of the court doesn't care about Federalism.

Its the legislature that decides rules not the freakin unelected courts . This shows exactly why we need a conservative court cause liberal justices believe the courts should be super legislatures

Lol this court is elected

The Constitution clearly states the state legislature is what is supposed to decide the rules not the  judicial branch in the states.


John Roberts really disappointed me cause I thought he was a strict constructionist

You don't seem to understand how checks and balances work.

Yes I do and the powers by each branch is set by the constitution and the PA supreme court violated the US constitution here.

Here is the clause:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress; but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States shall be appointed an Elector

https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/amendment/amendment-x

Tenth Amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

PA can decide it's own rules, this is settled law.

Except the Constitution states the state legislatures are the ones who set the rules period. If they didnt state that then the argument would make more sense

This is nonsensical.  So under your theory the state legislature (on its own) can make rules/laws even though their own state constitutions require that a Governor enact them into law?  And that they be constitutional?  This isn't a serious argument.

The governor signed this bill into law lol : https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/governor-wolf-signs-election-reform-bill-including-new-mail-in-voting/

[Gass3268]

So essentially OSR seems to be arguing a state legislature should be unchecked. Because when you think that the state Supreme Court reaffirming a executive order by a governor to extended absentee ballots on the reasonable grounds of we are in the middle of a pandemic that the legislature hasn’t done solely for partisan/undemocratic reasons are the ones out of line then you are essentially calling for the state legislature to be have the power to rig out democracy to their liking

Correct, he supports the dictatorship of the gerrymandered state legislature.

[OSR stands with Israel]

So essentially OSR seems to be arguing a state legislature should be unchecked. Because when you think that the state Supreme Court reaffirming a executive order by a governor to extended absentee ballots on the reasonable grounds of we are in the middle of a pandemic that the legislature hasn’t done solely for partisan/undemocratic reasons are the ones out of line then you are essentially calling for the state legislature to be have the power to rig out democracy to their liking

Correct, he supports the dictatorship of the gerrymandered state legislature.

The Governor signed the bill in question into law lol

[OSR stands with Israel]

There seems to be confusion as to what SCOTUS can do here, which isn't much.  Even if the rule was stayed it was unlikely to be struck down.  The US Constitution gives the Federal Government the right to preempt the state governments if it has a specific power enumerated to it.  The state government, through its various branches can determine its own laws and rules as long as they aren't preempted.  The PA Supreme Court has the final say on violations of the STATE constitution.  The Federal Gov. can't preempt in this situation.  

Did the PA court rule this law as unconstitutional or did they just unilaterally  just amend it

https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/governor-wolf-signs-election-reform-bill-including-new-mail-in-voting/

They can interpret it how they please.  Your link proves my point though.  The governor must sign a law.  Your convoluted theory of the US constitution seems to imply that the legislature has unilateral power without any checks from the Governor or the Courts.  This is settled Federal case law.  

Anyways, it was a ridiculous legal argument that would have never won even if it got a stay.  Lets not get this thread off topic.

Of course the governor has to sign it into law lol and yes the courts can rule a law unconstitutional  but that is not what they did here and instead just unilaterally amended it

[Non Swing Voter]

So essentially OSR seems to be arguing a state legislature should be unchecked. Because when you think that the state Supreme Court reaffirming a executive order by a governor to extended absentee ballots on the reasonable grounds of we are in the middle of a pandemic that the legislature hasn’t done solely for partisan/undemocratic reasons are the ones out of line then you are essentially calling for the state legislature to be have the power to rig out democracy to their liking

Correct, he supports the dictatorship of the gerrymandered state legislature.

Yes, that is essentially what his legal argument is.  The Constitution says "legislature" so therefore the legislature is all that matters, not the Governor or state courts.  It has zero legal merit and similar arguments have lost time and again in Federal Courts.  

[OSR stands with Israel]

So essentially OSR seems to be arguing a state legislature should be unchecked. Because when you think that the state Supreme Court reaffirming a executive order by a governor to extended absentee ballots on the reasonable grounds of we are in the middle of a pandemic that the legislature hasn’t done solely for partisan/undemocratic reasons are the ones out of line then you are essentially calling for the state legislature to be have the power to rig our democracy to their liking

Ok clarified my point in my last post

[Gass3268]

There seems to be confusion as to what SCOTUS can do here, which isn't much.  Even if the rule was stayed it was unlikely to be struck down.  The US Constitution gives the Federal Government the right to preempt the state governments if it has a specific power enumerated to it.  The state government, through its various branches can determine its own laws and rules as long as they aren't preempted.  The PA Supreme Court has the final say on violations of the STATE constitution.  The Federal Gov. can't preempt in this situation.  

Did the PA court rule this law as unconstitutional or did they just unilaterally  just amend it

https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/governor-wolf-signs-election-reform-bill-including-new-mail-in-voting/

They can interpret it how they please.  Your link proves my point though.  The governor must sign a law.  Your convoluted theory of the US constitution seems to imply that the legislature has unilateral power without any checks from the Governor or the Courts.  This is settled Federal case law.  

Anyways, it was a ridiculous legal argument that would have never won even if it got a stay.  Lets not get this thread off topic.

Scary thing is there will probably be 5 to 6 votes for unchecked rule by the state legislature unconfined by state supreme courts, people's initiative, or even state governor.

[Gass3268]

There seems to be confusion as to what SCOTUS can do here, which isn't much.  Even if the rule was stayed it was unlikely to be struck down.  The US Constitution gives the Federal Government the right to preempt the state governments if it has a specific power enumerated to it.  The state government, through its various branches can determine its own laws and rules as long as they aren't preempted.  The PA Supreme Court has the final say on violations of the STATE constitution.  The Federal Gov. can't preempt in this situation.  

Did the PA court rule this law as unconstitutional or did they just unilaterally  just amend it

https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/governor-wolf-signs-election-reform-bill-including-new-mail-in-voting/

They can interpret it how they please.  Your link proves my point though.  The governor must sign a law.  Your convoluted theory of the US constitution seems to imply that the legislature has unilateral power without any checks from the Governor or the Courts.  This is settled Federal case law.  

Anyways, it was a ridiculous legal argument that would have never won even if it got a stay.  Lets not get this thread off topic.

Of course the governor has to sign it into law lol and yes the courts can rule a law unconstitutional  but that is not what they did here and instead just unilaterally amended it

A state court is allowed to make decisions about deadlines, property rights, etc., if it's a state constitutional issue.  Also settled law.  Move on from this.

Also this decision lets votes that haven't been even postmarked to be counted so its a clear violation of the law which they did not rule unconstitutional.


Its one thing to extend it its one thing to do bs like that

Many post offices don't use postmarks for whatever reason.

[Adam Griffin]

Can you all just shut the f[inks]k up and take this to one of the many more appropriate threads?

[Holmes]

Can you all just shut the f[inks]k up and take this to one of the many more appropriate threads?

Tea.

Does anyone know if we’re gonna get a report for the early vote in Miami-Dade (and all other non-reporting counties) today?

[Adam Griffin]

Georgia: Final update shows that 210,171 votes were cast on Monday. This is the largest single day of voting thus far.

This includes 158,426 in-person votes and 51,745 mail ballots.

Total ballots cast in GA are now 981,199 in-person & 711,404 by mail, for a grand total of 1,692,603 (40.63% of 2016 total vote).

[Rep Jessica]

Florida In-Person EV as of 7:10 PM

Rep 133,405
Dem 129,824
NPA/Others 47,631

Total 310,860

50/67 counties reporting

https://tinyurl.com/y2wulups

dems have closed the margin quite a bit in the last two 1.5-2 hours

[Holmes]

Florida In-Person EV as of 7:10 PM

Rep 133,405
Dem 129,824
NPA/Others 47,631

Total 310,860

50/67 counties reporting

https://tinyurl.com/y2wulups

dems have closed the margin quite a bit in the last two 1.5-2 hours

I feel like Dems will pull ahead when all counties have reported, but it’s clear that mail voting has eaten away at their early voting numbers.

[Hammy]

https://twitter.com/srl/status/1318328000941871104

Yup, Dems need to pack the court. 5 out of 9 justices are anti-democracy

the PA law states that ballots must be received by election day and the Governor changed that.


https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/governor-wolf-signs-election-reform-bill-including-new-mail-in-voting/

And the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that it was okay because of the pandemic. Shows that the majority of the court doesn't care about Federalism.

Its the legislature that decides rules not the freakin unelected courts . This shows exactly why we need a conservative court cause liberal justices believe the courts should be super legislatures

Lol this court is elected

The Constitution clearly states the state legislature is what is supposed to decide the rules not the  judicial branch in the states.


John Roberts really disappointed me cause I thought he was a strict constructionist

You don't seem to understand how checks and balances work.

Yes I do and the powers by each branch is set by the constitution and the PA supreme court violated the US constitution here.

Here is the clause:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress; but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States shall be appointed an Elector

First, that clause is explicitly about choosing electors to the electoral college, I'm not sure what your point of posting it is relating to ballot deadlines.

Second, why are you upset about this but didn't make a several page stink when Trump violated the constitution and intentionally undermined the postal service, making these deadline changes necessary in the first place?

[compucomp]

So essentially OSR seems to be arguing a state legislature should be unchecked. Because when you think that the state Supreme Court reaffirming a executive order by a governor to extended absentee ballots on the reasonable grounds of we are in the middle of a pandemic that the legislature hasn’t done solely for partisan/undemocratic reasons are the ones out of line then you are essentially calling for the state legislature to be have the power to rig out democracy to their liking

Correct, he supports the dictatorship of the gerrymandered state legislature.

I think you're off base here. The law was passed last year by the legislature and signed by Gov. Wolf. This year, the Democratic governor/SoS would like to extend the deadline for receipt by 3 days, citing the pandemic and greatly increased demand for vote by mail. Naturally, the Republican legislature doesn't agree, and given the law of the land in PA says 8pm on Election Day, they have the law on their side. If Gov. Wolf and the PA legislature could come to a compromise and pass a new law, then it would be the new law of the land, but that's a political question.

The argument that Democrats are making is that the pandemic is a strong enough reason to override the law, and that's a disputable issue with plausible arguments for both sides, and a court is the natural place to make that decision. This is not about "dictatorship of the legislature," and the law was perfectly reasonable when it was passed last year. I don't see any theoretical distinction between this and Republican attempts to sabotage the ACA through regulatory maneuvering or Trump's executive orders, and the resolution of that would go through the courts also.

I understand most of us want Biden to win but we should at least keep our logical arguments straight.

[Bootes Void]

we'll see how Miami dade goes along with the other counties when they are fully in.

I think as a whole alot of mail ballot voters will shift to in person voters unless  they have mailed in their ballots

[OSR stands with Israel]

https://twitter.com/srl/status/1318328000941871104

Yup, Dems need to pack the court. 5 out of 9 justices are anti-democracy

the PA law states that ballots must be received by election day and the Governor changed that.


https://www.governor.pa.gov/newsroom/governor-wolf-signs-election-reform-bill-including-new-mail-in-voting/

And the Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled that it was okay because of the pandemic. Shows that the majority of the court doesn't care about Federalism.

Its the legislature that decides rules not the freakin unelected courts . This shows exactly why we need a conservative court cause liberal justices believe the courts should be super legislatures

Lol this court is elected

The Constitution clearly states the state legislature is what is supposed to decide the rules not the  judicial branch in the states.


John Roberts really disappointed me cause I thought he was a strict constructionist

You don't seem to understand how checks and balances work.

Yes I do and the powers by each branch is set by the constitution and the PA supreme court violated the US constitution here.

Here is the clause:

Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress; but no Senator or Representative, or person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States shall be appointed an Elector

First, that clause is explicitly about choosing electors to the electoral college, I'm not sure what your point of posting it is relating to ballot deadlines.

Second, why are you upset about this but didn't make a several page stink when Trump violated the constitution and intentionally undermined the postal service, making these deadline changes necessary in the first place?

Huh,  Im sure I did call Trump out for that

[Hindsight was 2020]

Fresh Florida EV update:
Democrats: 131,524 (41.87%)
Republicans: 134,389 (42.78%)
NPAs: 44,608 (14.20%)
Others: 3,591 (1.14%)

[Lief 🗽]

Rough day for Democrats in Florida, though I guess we’ll have to see what happened in Miami-Dade.

[GP270watch]

Florida In-Person EV as of 7:10 PM

Rep 133,405
Dem 129,824
NPA/Others 47,631

Total 310,860

50/67 counties reporting

https://tinyurl.com/y2wulups

dems have closed the margin quite a bit in the last two 1.5-2 hours

 In years prior Democrats always do better after 5pm because they vote after work vs. a lot of retired Republican seniors who can vote in the day. The Democrats also do better Friday, Saturday, and especially Sunday. This year has flipped everything on its head though.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Rough day for Democrats in Florida, though I guess we’ll have to see what happened in Miami-Dade.

Most of the local Florida election geeks seem to being to saying the opposite because a) this is without Miami-Dada and b) Dems are winning mail in ballots which was historically Rep