Voter suppresion/"stealing the election" megathread

[Non Swing Voter]

https://twitter.com/gpbnews/status/1333886597264240640

The toddler in chief has responded....

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1333975991518187521

He is such a complete sociopath that he couldn't even be bothered to type 10 words somewhere in this tweet to pretend to care about the people whose lives he put in danger.

[emailking]

Trump retweet:

https://twitter.com/MattBraynard/status/1333912074741833728

[HisGrace]

Trump retweet:

https://twitter.com/MattBraynard/status/1333912074741833728

Every lawsuit he's filed has been rejected and the main swing states have all been certified. These people are such babies.

[DINGO Joe]

Trump is still going on about Detroit (which is not coextensive with Wayne County) and Philadelphia, which in any case swung towards him. The ingratitude.

When you're dogwhistling to your supporters, you can't get the racists riled up about the big swings against Trump in white places like Chester PA or Ottawa MI.  It has to be the evil negro who steals the election from Trump.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I'm sure dooming about the Wisconsin lawsuit will begin si here's a great thread.

https://twitter.com/AkivaMCohen/status/1333858999993831431?s=19

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

I'm sure dooming about the Wisconsin lawsuit will begin si here's a great thread.

https://twitter.com/AkivaMCohen/status/1333858999993831431?s=19

What's the tl;dr here? I don't really have the energy for the legalese this early in the morning. Is this a competently filed and theoretically sound case whose factual claims are unsupported?

[Horus]

I'm sure dooming about the Wisconsin lawsuit will begin si here's a great thread.

https://twitter.com/AkivaMCohen/status/1333858999993831431?s=19

What's the tl;dr here? I don't really have the energy for the legalese this early in the morning. Is this a competently filed and theoretically sound case whose factual claims are unsupported?

Not likely to succeed but a better chance than the others.

If Wisconsin supreme court does the unthinkable this guy seems pretty convinced SCOTUS will overturn it.

Also read an article this morning with a professor from Marquette who studies the Wisconsin supreme court quoted. She thinks it's "very unlikely" they'll rule in Trump's favor.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

I'm sure dooming about the Wisconsin lawsuit will begin si here's a great thread.

https://twitter.com/AkivaMCohen/status/1333858999993831431?s=19

What's the tl;dr here? I don't really have the energy for the legalese this early in the morning. Is this a competently filed and theoretically sound case whose factual claims are unsupported?

It's a few things:

*this case isn't being run by grifting idiots
*the WI  Supreme Court is pretty partisan
*WI absentee ballot law is more draconian than many other states
*Republicans are alleging several major procedural violations that would invalidating thousand to over a hundred thousand ballots from two heavily Democratic counties
*the case in unlikely to succeed on its merits - most of the alleged violations are are not, the Republicans just don't like the way they were handled (i.e. using a different form that usual to apply for and certify absentee ballots, but the form is an official one issued by the state for that purpose)

[vitoNova]

I'm surprised there aren't massive protests at BLM Plaza outside the White House over Trump's blatant attempts to overthrow a democratic election.

It seems most people--except media talking heads--are just laughing it off. 

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

I'm sure dooming about the Wisconsin lawsuit will begin si here's a great thread.

https://twitter.com/AkivaMCohen/status/1333858999993831431?s=19

What's the tl;dr here? I don't really have the energy for the legalese this early in the morning. Is this a competently filed and theoretically sound case whose factual claims are unsupported?

The case is more sound on paper than most of Trump's lawsuits so far because Wisconsin has some pretty strict laws on how absentees can be counted but is still full of holes and unlikely to succeed.

Also while 4-3 in partisan breakdown one of the Wisconsin Supreme Court justices is actually rather moderate on voting issues and has ruled with the liberals on many election related issues this year like denying the Green Party ballot access and blocking a voter purge (somewhat ironically he's the only male on the Court and has the most conservative background, he used to work for Alliance Defending Freedom for f[inks] sake), and the Chief Justice has also ruled against Republican overreach in voting cases in the past. The doctrine of laches seems to be a big factor here, courts everywhere are pretty adamant that objections to election procedures must be brought up timely and before the election and not afterwards disenfranchised voters. Even the 2 Republicans on the PA Supreme Court ruled that in their concurrence/dissent (concurring the election should not have certification blocked but dissenting in upholding the mail-in voting law which they said should be revisited.)

[compucomp]

I'm sure dooming about the Wisconsin lawsuit will begin si here's a great thread.

https://twitter.com/AkivaMCohen/status/1333858999993831431?s=19

What's the tl;dr here? I don't really have the energy for the legalese this early in the morning. Is this a competently filed and theoretically sound case whose factual claims are unsupported?

It's a few things:

*this case isn't being run by grifting idiots
*the WI  Supreme Court is pretty partisan
*WI absentee ballot law is more draconian than many other states
*Republicans are alleging several major procedural violations that would invalidating thousand to over a hundred thousand ballots from two heavily Democratic counties
*the case in unlikely to succeed on its merits - most of the alleged violations are are not, the Republicans just don't like the way they were handled (i.e. using a different form that usual to apply for and certify absentee ballots, but the form is an official one issued by the state for that purpose)

Thanks. Seems like this court case is designed to win in a court of law, and on the surface it could have a chance, unlike Trump's allegations of massive fraud and Hugo Chavez's interference (lol), which have no chance in a court of law but does have a chance in the court of public opinion. Nobody is going to get riled up about using the wrong form to apply for absentee ballots.

It's almost as if instead of really trying to overturn the election in the courts, Trump is actually looking to gather public support for a coup or to delegitimize Biden in the eyes of the public to set up a rematch in 2024.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Also while 4-3 in partisan breakdown one of the Wisconsin Supreme Court justices is actually rather moderate on voting issues and has ruled with the liberals on many election related issues this year like denying the Green Party ballot access and blocking a voter purge (somewhat ironically he's the only male on the Court and has the most conservative background, he used to work for Alliance Defending Freedom for f[inks] sake),

Ah yes, Hagedorn. I'm familiar with his "wingnut on LGBT issues, moderate/swingy on everything else" reputation. Interesting character.

[Hammy]

I'm sure dooming about the Wisconsin lawsuit will begin si here's a great thread.

https://twitter.com/AkivaMCohen/status/1333858999993831431?s=19

What's the tl;dr here? I don't really have the energy for the legalese this early in the morning. Is this a competently filed and theoretically sound case whose factual claims are unsupported?

It's a few things:

*this case isn't being run by grifting idiots
*the WI  Supreme Court is pretty partisan
*WI absentee ballot law is more draconian than many other states
*Republicans are alleging several major procedural violations that would invalidating thousand to over a hundred thousand ballots from two heavily Democratic counties
*the case in unlikely to succeed on its merits - most of the alleged violations are are not, the Republicans just don't like the way they were handled (i.e. using a different form that usual to apply for and certify absentee ballots, but the form is an official one issued by the state for that purpose)

Thanks. Seems like this court case is designed to win in a court of law, and on the surface it could have a chance, unlike Trump's allegations of massive fraud and Hugo Chavez's interference (lol), which have no chance in a court of law but does have a chance in the court of public opinion. Nobody is going to get riled up about using the wrong form to apply for absentee ballots.

It's almost as if instead of really trying to overturn the election in the courts, Trump is actually looking to gather public support for a coup or to delegitimize Biden in the eyes of the public to set up a rematch in 2024.

If Trump succeeded in overturning the election in the courts, that in itself would be his coup. I doubt he's trying (or would be successful) in gathering support for one via military--especially since there's practically no chance they'd go along with it.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

The Trump coup attempt, or at least the Trump antidemocratic power grab attempt since the point of it is that it would technically be legal, consists of the gamesmanship with courts and state legislatures, yes. Even with that the trajectory is towards it slowly sputtering out (in every state other than Wisconsin, which of course has an abnormally radicalized state GOP even by Trump-era standards); the behavior of people like Barr, and for that matter Republican governors like Kemp and Ducey, indicates an attempt by people who know they're not actually going to stay in power to poison the well for their hated inheritors. About the only people left who seem to genuinely think that Trump can still stay in power are the legal team themselves and some of the most extreme Congressional Republicans. Rudy et al. might actually be more Trumpist than Trump himself at this stage.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

I'm sure dooming about the Wisconsin lawsuit will begin si here's a great thread.

https://twitter.com/AkivaMCohen/status/1333858999993831431?s=19

What's the tl;dr here? I don't really have the energy for the legalese this early in the morning. Is this a competently filed and theoretically sound case whose factual claims are unsupported?

It's a few things:

*this case isn't being run by grifting idiots
*the WI  Supreme Court is pretty partisan
*WI absentee ballot law is more draconian than many other states
*Republicans are alleging several major procedural violations that would invalidating thousand to over a hundred thousand ballots from two heavily Democratic counties
*the case in unlikely to succeed on its merits - most of the alleged violations are are not, the Republicans just don't like the way they were handled (i.e. using a different form that usual to apply for and certify absentee ballots, but the form is an official one issued by the state for that purpose)

Thanks. Seems like this court case is designed to win in a court of law, and on the surface it could have a chance, unlike Trump's allegations of massive fraud and Hugo Chavez's interference (lol), which have no chance in a court of law but does have a chance in the court of public opinion. Nobody is going to get riled up about using the wrong form to apply for absentee ballots.

It's almost as if instead of really trying to overturn the election in the courts, Trump is actually looking to gather public support for a coup or to delegitimize Biden in the eyes of the public to set up a rematch in 2024.

I'm thinking the "deligitimize Biden" angle has become the dominant one for Trump and his handlers. Not that they wouldn't take the Presidency if they could, but the chances of that are getting tinier by the day. Getting even one state (Wisconsin) to just invalidate ballots, or better yet (for Trump) overturn the results would provide a huge propaganda boost he can ride (and lie about) for the rest of his life. Plus, in his mind, it probably serves as partial payback for "Russia". 

[HisGrace]

Nobody (even Fox when I took a gander at their front page) is paying any attention to this Wisconsin lawsuit. The result has already been certified.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Nobody (even Fox when I took a gander at their front page) is paying any attention to this Wisconsin lawsuit. The result has already been certified.

Laches is a harsh mistress.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Sidney Powell is having a rally in Alpharetta, Georgia today.  Some highlights:

https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1334220066771099653
https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1334225185868804097

[BlueSwan]

Sidney Powell is having a rally in Alpharetta, Georgia today.  Some highlights:

https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1334220066771099653
https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1334225185868804097

Well, if Sidney Powell and Lin Wood can get delusional deplorables to refrain from voting then more power to them!

[Hammy]

It's kind of funny watching Trumpists go down the road everybody here expected Bernie to in 2016, from going to open war against people who aren't in the cult, to calls for boycotting the election, to talk of forming his own party.

[Non Swing Voter]

Sidney Powell is having a rally in Alpharetta, Georgia today.  Some highlights:

https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1334220066771099653
https://twitter.com/bluestein/status/1334225185868804097

JFC, these people are complete lunatics. 

[Horus]

It's kind of funny watching Trumpists go down the road everybody here expected Bernie to in 2016, from going to open war against people who aren't in the cult, to calls for boycotting the election, to talk of forming his own party.

Most Bernie supporters are decent human beings able to see the long term so that was never going to happen.

[Hammy]

It's kind of funny watching Trumpists go down the road everybody here expected Bernie to in 2016, from going to open war against people who aren't in the cult, to calls for boycotting the election, to talk of forming his own party.

Most Bernie supporters are decent human beings able to see the long term so that was never going to happen.

That's my point, but people were bedwetting during the 2016 primary that this would happen. Add that Republicans were saying he should do this makes it all the more entertaining to watch.

[2952-0-0]

Maybe Sidney Powell is secretly getting checks from the DNC. But the DNC aren't that competent.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Lin found a pretty amazing way to own the libs!
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1334246761389441025?s=19