AOC thinks crime surge in NYC is due to people who need to shoplift some bread

[Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas]

It's really creepy how some right-wingers are so obsessed with this woman. I didn't realize how crazy this obsession was until there were right-wingers stalking her boyfriend online.

She's going to be unofficially running for President as of January, so it's not like she's some rando commentator that right-wingers are going nuts over.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-nyc-crime-shoplifting.amp


Literally false


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nypd-stats-show-shootings-and-homicides-drastically-soaring-in-nyc-this-year/2494796/%3famp


Also during the Great Recession the crime rate Went down :


https://www.cnn.com/2012/10/29/justice/us-violent-crime/index.html

Violent crime in the United States fell for the fifth consecutive year in 2011

Not clicking on a Google AMP link. Show some consideration for your fellow forumites and I might read articles you link.

[Bojack Horseman]

She’s truly the Sarah Palin of the left.

[Progressive Pessimist]

The fact that she meant this literally is what makes it a bit dumb, but her point tying citizens' socioeconomic situations to crime is not all that unreasonable, especially in the midst of this pandemic and how poorly our society has fared during it. Obviously not every crime is shoplifting, and I think she knows that, but worded it poorly.

But congratulations, right wingers, Ocasio-Cortez finally said something taken in context that is deserving of minor criticism! You did it! Bring out the champagne and confetti! That's one out of dozens, hundreds, or thousands of things she's said over the past two years! It still pales in comparison to the dumb s*** Trump and his enablers say every day though. Keep obsessing over her if that makes you feel better.

[OSR stands with Israel]

The fact that she meant this literally is what makes it a bit dumb, but her point tying citizens' socioeconomic situations to crime is not all that unreasonable, especially in the midst of this pandemic and how poorly our society has fared during it. Obviously not every crime is shoplifting, and I think she knows that, but worded it poorly.

But congratulations, right wingers, Ocasio-Cortez finally said something taken in context that is deserving of minor criticism! You did it! Bring out the champagne and confetti! That's one out of dozens, hundreds, or thousands of things she's said over the past two years! It still pales in comparison to the dumb s*** Trump and his enablers say every day though. Keep obsessing over her if that makes you feel better.

shes called for abolsihing prisons

[GeneralMacArthur]

One of the best things about Queen AOC is seeing all the neolibs from both parties get so triggered about everything she says.

One thing Trump and AOC have in common.  In both cases, the thing their biggest fans love the most about them is that they trigger the hated "other."  Trump triggers the libs.  AOC triggers the neolibs.

Neither of them actually accomplishes anything positive.  In fact quite often even their most ardent supporters cringe at the stupid stuff they say or do.  But they "trigger" the bad guys so that makes them champions.

Of course Antonio won't even see this post because I'm on his blocked list along with every other Atlasian to the right of Fidel Castro.  That's one way to never get "triggered" I suppose.

[NYSforKennedy2024]

Based and breadpilled.

“Also, if AOC is such a socialist, then why won’t she redistribute her feet pics to me?”

- Ben Shapiro, probably

[Fight for Trump]

AOC, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib are extremely dumb, with a sprinkling of truly nasty beliefs (in Ilhan Omar's case especially).

No fan of Omar or Tlaib, but this doesn't describe AOC. At the age of 30, AOC has shown more political maturity and personal growth than Bernie in his nearly 4 decades in politics. She's not the smartest person in Congress (nor even close to the dumbest), but that's irrelevant. Thomas Massie is probably one of the "smartest" guys in Congress, but he's an unproductive asshole. As a legislator, you develop through experience, and she has the potential to become a great legislator.

AOC has said numerous stupid and/or questionable things, but that is just the norm in politics, and elsewhere, too. The more you talk, the more stupid things you say. She is hardly exceptional in this regard, and there is no good reason to have such an intense hatred of her as so many people do.

[Damocles]

shes called for abolsihing prisons

Is it really that bad of an idea, especially considering that the privatized prison system and minimum sentencing laws incentivize a bloated prison population whose only real purpose is to give a cheap source of labor to private corporations? Hmmm, it’s almost like that was the point from the very outset. Convict leasing is still very much a thing in many states, is effectively slavery by another name, and disproportionately targets Black people. And in these respects, AOC is right on the money: we need fewer prisons, reintegration of ex-convicts into the general population, and a re-evaluation of the role of prisons and incarceration in our legal system.

[Horus]

AOC is bad, but it has nothing to do with her previous jobs. It's the fact that she promotes radical pipe-dream ideas, which then become albatrosses for more mainstream Democrats. I genuinely hope she's drawn out in 2022.

Tbf, don't you think legalizing weed is a pipe dream idea?

[GP270watch]

 Why is a 30 year old novice politician being blamed or mocked for the status quo of violence in the inner cities that has gone on for decades before she was even born?

 Maybe if we had more AOC style politicians we wouldn't have the massive inequality that creates gun violence, not just murders but also suicides.

[GeneralMacArthur]

AOC, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib are extremely dumb, with a sprinkling of truly nasty beliefs (in Ilhan Omar's case especially).

No fan of Omar or Tlaib, but this doesn't describe AOC. At the age of 30, AOC has shown more political maturity and personal growth than Bernie in his nearly 4 decades in politics. She's not the smartest person in Congress (nor even close to the dumbest), but that's irrelevant. Thomas Massie is probably one of the "smartest" guys in Congress, but he's an unproductive asshole. As a legislator, you develop through experience, and she has the potential to become a great legislator.

AOC has said numerous stupid and/or questionable things, but that is just the norm in politics, and elsewhere, too. The more you talk, the more stupid things you say. She is hardly exceptional in this regard, and there is no good reason to have such an intense hatred of her as so many people do.

To clarify, I don't think she's dumb in the general sense, just dumb politically.  "Ignorant" would be the better word, except that word has basically been redefined to mean "bigoted."

AOC has been in Congress for two years and even after having two years two learn, it's still obvious every time she opens her mouth that she would fail the AP U.S. Government exam.

And her understanding of individual policy issues is equally poor, mostly just repeating age-old left-populist talking points.  I haven't seen any reason to believe that she has a better understanding of any single policy issue than your average viewer of Last Week Tonight.

She has little respect for the institution and zero knowledge of political history, which is why she repeatedly comes up with these major political blunders that she insists Democrats must make.  It's also why she's quick to take the bait from Republicans at every single opportunity.  People who have been watching the back-and-forth for the last decade or two are able to see bait for what it is.  AOC seems to have just started following politics in 2017 and doesn't understand any of this.  It makes her a huge liability because she's constantly stumbling into bear traps and giving Republicans absolute gold for their advertisements.

She just strikes me as an above-average high school student who got elected to Congress and thought she could just repeat her rhetoric and policy from Mock Congress and it would work.  And she's shown little interest in learning from the other 232 Democrats in her caucus, who would love the opportunity to mentor her, give her a solid policy and government grounding, and turn her into the hard-hitting substantive superstar the left seems to think she is.  Instead she's content to ride the latest hashtag and pick non-substantive fights with Pelosi every 3 months.

[Antonio the Sixth]

She’s truly the Sarah Palin of the left.

What a novel and original observation.

[Suburbia]

AOC, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib are extremely dumb, with a sprinkling of truly nasty beliefs (in Ilhan Omar's case especially).

This is known.  We've known it for a while.

Unfortunately, in this cycle especially, they are too entrenched and popular and well-funded by the Justice Dems to be removed in a primary.  And their districts are Safe D, so they are not going to flip to republicans.

Most of us want them gone just as much as you do.  That's the annoying thing about these splinter left organizations like Justice Dems and SocAlt.  They raise tons of money and then focus it all on a small set of low-profile races because their goal is to create celebrities, not to actually get anything done.  The amount of money spent on AOC/Omar races is unreasonable for a congressional primary with only tens of thousands of voters.  But winning the primary matters a lot more to them than it does to everyone else.  So they dump all their money on it.  Same with Sawant here in Seattle.  She raised millions and millions of dollars from all around the country to eke out a narrow victory for a city council seat over some local gay dad type.

Maybe one day we'll get the opportunity to kick them out, just like you were finally able to get rid of Steve King.  But until then, stop pretending like they speak for any significant portion of the Democratic Party.  They are just firebrands out to get attention and money for themselves and their small constituency of grifters and wingnuts.

[Suburbia]

shes called for abolsihing prisons

Is it really that bad of an idea, especially considering that the privatized prison system and minimum sentencing laws incentivize a bloated prison population whose only real purpose is to give a cheap source of labor to private corporations? Hmmm, it’s almost like that was the point from the very outset. Convict leasing is still very much a thing in many states, is effectively slavery by another name, and disproportionately targets Black people. And in these respects, AOC is right on the money: we need fewer prisons, reintegration of ex-convicts into the general population, and a re-evaluation of the role of prisons and incarceration in our legal system.

Don't cry when those violent convicts commits a murder again in your neighborhood

[MABA 2020]

Threads like this are useful for reminding us that so called moderate democrats suck as much as republicans. Like imagine calling AOC dumb when both parties are being lead by senile old men.

[Progressive Pessimist]

shes called for abolsihing prisons

Is it really that bad of an idea, especially considering that the privatized prison system and minimum sentencing laws incentivize a bloated prison population whose only real purpose is to give a cheap source of labor to private corporations? Hmmm, it’s almost like that was the point from the very outset. Convict leasing is still very much a thing in many states, is effectively slavery by another name, and disproportionately targets Black people. And in these respects, AOC is right on the money: we need fewer prisons, reintegration of ex-convicts into the general population, and a re-evaluation of the role of prisons and incarceration in our legal system.

Don't cry when those violent convicts commits a murder again in your neighborhood

Then doesn't that suggest that our prison system is inherently flawed then? If every ex-convict gets released only to commit crimes again prisons haven't succeeded at their purpose of rehabilitation.

[Damocles]

Don't cry when those violent convicts commits a murder again in your neighborhood

Ah yes, because conveniently ignoring 98% of what’s actually said and making a totally spurious and nonsensical retort that has nothing to do with the topic at hand is totally intellectually honest. Shame upon you for having a reflexive and masturbatory obsession with painting your ideological opponent as endorsing a position he does not himself take. What you have just said has contributed precisely zero value to the conversation, and everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Maybe one day we'll get the opportunity to kick them out, just like you were finally able to get rid of Steve King.

Because being heavily aligned with the Sanders campaign is comparable to palling around Austria with neo-Nazis.

I haven't read much into Tlaib so I'll reserve judgment, and Omar is well... Omar, so I'm not going to complain about the comparison. But to compare a right-wing, out-of-context (but true!) statement to someone who trafficks in actual hate is so absurd and offensive that I'm not even going to give your post the dignity of a response back.

And of course there are at least 2 more going in this year that are at least as bad as Steve King.

RUNNING AGAINST THE ESTABLISHMENT

IS THE SAME AS NAZISM

sadhjakjjdshjasjddfshgfdksfdassfheuweiojksddfhuieqiwoj

She’s truly the Sarah Palin of the left.

Sexist/transphobe says what?

[TiltsAreUnderrated]

shes called for abolsihing prisons

Is it really that bad of an idea, especially considering that the privatized prison system and minimum sentencing laws incentivize a bloated prison population whose only real purpose is to give a cheap source of labor to private corporations? Hmmm, it’s almost like that was the point from the very outset. Convict leasing is still very much a thing in many states, is effectively slavery by another name, and disproportionately targets Black people. And in these respects, AOC is right on the money: we need fewer prisons, reintegration of ex-convicts into the general population, and a re-evaluation of the role of prisons and incarceration in our legal system.

Don't cry when those violent convicts commits a murder again in your neighborhood

Our last lethal terrorist attack was thwarted by the unlikely combination of a man wielding a narwhal horn and an imprisoned murderer on day release, FWIW. People incarcerated for violent crimes should remain imprisoned if they're a threat to the public, but imprisonment for other reasons like retribution etc. has little value compared to productive restorative justice.

[GP270watch]

Threads like this are useful for reminding us that so called moderate democrats suck as much as republicans. Like imagine calling AOC dumb when both parties are being lead by senile old men.

 Old men who literally created the conditions and systems that cause violence in America. Trying to transfer any of that to AOC or any squad members like she's the real danger is crazy and also dishonest.

 

[GeneralMacArthur]

Maybe one day we'll get the opportunity to kick them out, just like you were finally able to get rid of Steve King.

Because being heavily aligned with the Sanders campaign is comparable to palling around Austria with neo-Nazis.

I haven't read much into Tlaib so I'll reserve judgment, and Omar is well... Omar, so I'm not going to complain about the comparison. But to compare a right-wing, out-of-context (but true!) statement to someone who trafficks in actual hate is so absurd and offensive that I'm not even going to give your post the dignity of a response back.

And of course there are at least 2 more going in this year that are at least as bad as Steve King.

RUNNING AGAINST THE ESTABLISHMENT

IS THE SAME AS NAZISM

sadhjakjjdshjasjddfshgfdksfdassfheuweiojksddfhuieqiwoj

She and Steve King are similar in that they are both huge embarrassments to their party, and their other party members are pretty tired of having to answer for their politically-damaging statements.  They both provide easy fodder to the opposition on a regular basis, and the opposition loves to hold them up as emblematic of everyone in their party.  They are both examples of congresspeople who are staying in place solely on their strength with the base, while the establishment of their party would really like them to just disappear.

Believe it or not, people can be simultaneously similar and dissimilar.  You are the one who assumed I was comparing her to King on a rhetorical basis.

[Saint Milei]

She's the definition of privilege in this country. Only a privileged woman could get away with a statement this moronic

[Hindsight was 2020]

*a literal racist who wanted to restrict immigration on racial grounds* vs *Someone who wants to improve the environment and help poor people*
GeneralMacArthur: “I can’t tell the difference”

[lfromnj]

*a literal racist who wanted to restrict immigration on racial grounds* vs *Someobe who wants to improve the environment and help poor people*
GeneralMacArthur: “I can’t tell the difference”

AOC probably wants to restrict college admissions on racial grounds.
There we go.