Minor Party and Independent General Election Discussion

[StateBoiler]

There was some ASP Twitter drama this past weekend, past members grousing about alleged party purges and extremists going in. Most people aren't aware of it though, and it seems very inside baseball.

I’m wholly unsurprised by this. Still, may you give more details with links.

Long-ass thread here

https://twitter.com/SamRochadotcom/status/1317298226274267137

Well, I suppose we will see if the American Solidarity Party survives this with its current rhetoric. BRTD must be livid right now about this news.

What in the world is the Alliance Party & Co. even doing right now?

I have to give it to the Alaskan Independence Party, they’ve managed to find a niche in Alaskan politics as a regionalist Constitution-like party, in an era where paleocons are ceasing to be. It’s probably one of the most relevant regionalist parties in the United States in the current era.

As far as decent state-only parties, it's them and the Vermont Progressives (with them far ahead of the AIP). I'll give the New York WFP some love when they grow a spine and run their own candidates against safe Democrats that upsets them.

[StateBoiler]

There was some ASP Twitter drama this past weekend, past members grousing about alleged party purges and extremists going in. Most people aren't aware of it though, and it seems very inside baseball.

I’m wholly unsurprised by this. Still, may you give more details with links.

Long-ass thread here

https://twitter.com/SamRochadotcom/status/1317298226274267137

Well, I suppose we will see if the American Solidarity Party survives this with its current rhetoric. BRTD must be livid right now about this news.

I'd read something that they once selected their board with approval voting thinking it'd be a more holistic approach. You can imagine how that went, each side only voted for themselves, more conservatives were present, and they got all the seats. 1 of the conservatives removed himself in the interest of party unity for a moderate to get on the board. They dropped approval voting after that.

[PSOL]

There was some ASP Twitter drama this past weekend, past members grousing about alleged party purges and extremists going in. Most people aren't aware of it though, and it seems very inside baseball.

I’m wholly unsurprised by this. Still, may you give more details with links.

Long-ass thread here

https://twitter.com/SamRochadotcom/status/1317298226274267137

Well, I suppose we will see if the American Solidarity Party survives this with its current rhetoric. BRTD must be livid right now about this news.

I'd read something that they once selected their board with approval voting thinking it'd be a more holistic approach. You can imagine how that went, each side only voted for themselves, more conservatives were present, and they got all the seats. 1 of the conservatives removed himself in the interest of party unity for a moderate to get on the board. They dropped approval voting after that.

Of course, unlike the progressive party, there’s much more room for the Independence Party to grow.

One has to ask how tradcaths and integralists got accepted into the party and became influential to cause such defections in the first place.

[AltWorlder]

The ASP has always seemed like a very grassroots affair, and like many other third parties, are prone to accepting anybody, including those with wild ideas or passions. That said, the entire narrative seems debatable, it sounds like there were feuding Facebook cliques in 2017-2018 and one won out and instead of staying on as a conscientious opposition, a bunch of people jumped ship. Too bad they didn't go back.

[StateBoiler]

The ASP has always seemed like a very grassroots affair, and like many other third parties, are prone to accepting anybody, including those with wild ideas or passions. That said, the entire narrative seems debatable, it sounds like there were feuding Facebook cliques in 2017-2018 and one won out and instead of staying on as a conscientious opposition, a bunch of people jumped ship. Too bad they didn't go back.

I think this is natural in all parties. It's just the smaller the group, the greater the influence some of these hijackers can have. The difference today is we now have Twitter and the internet where all sleights real and imagined can be easily blown out of proportion.

[AltWorlder]

Thoughts on my remake of third parties into slightly bigger tents that might make capture as many viable ideologies in the U.S. as possible? Or my theory that third parties will get more irrelevant?

[PSOL]

So BAN predicts that with 0 new candidates on the ballot for the LUP, they’re getting ready to disband soon. Firstly, let me say such a thing would be depressing as the LUP transformed Vermont politics for the better and gave Bernie Sanders his first stint into politics. Secondly, I suspect the top brass to go very much for Gloria La Riva given their endorsement of her for two straight elections and that there apparently seems to be no working relationship with the Green Party. I neither don’t know or care too much about the rank-and-file of that party, or that they exist even anymore.

The real question is why they chose PSL over the Green Party.

[AltWorlder]

what they're doing this again

https://freeandequal.org/third-open-presidential-debate-2020/

[PSOL]

what they're doing this again

https://freeandequal.org/third-open-presidential-debate-2020/

It has the same candidates too. I promised to myself if there isn’t any spicy questions in the first 20 minutes, I would log off and enjoy some sleep for myself.

Like the D v R debate, nothing will change nor matter, which is a shame.

[walleye26]

Besides the Libertarian party (which is devoted enough to stay afloat) are any 3rd parties really going to be left after 2020?

[PSOL]

Besides the Libertarian party (which is devoted enough to stay afloat) are any 3rd parties really going to be left after 2020?

The most well-funded niche-ish national parties to survive and thrive as functioning, serious political parties are most likely going to be, excluding whatever the DSA is doing; the Libertarian Party (Propertarianism), Green Party (Environmentalist Social Democratic), Alliance Party (liberalism, centrism), Party of Socialism and Liberation (Marxist Leninist), and the American Solidarity Party (Christian Democracy with Integral Humanist and Traditional Catholic factions). State and regional parties that seem to be growing without totally relying on outside support and such include the Alaska Independence Party (regionalism), Vermont Progressive Party (Social Democratic), California‘s American Independence Party (Centre-right currently?), and Socialist Alternative (to the Left of the DSA).

The remainder are cults, microsects, crumbling and stagnating parties that either become vassals or cease to be. The constitution party is horrendously both dying of old age and crumbling, various parts of the Reform Party’s corpse have aligned with or have been absorbed to the Alliance Party, Trotskyists and irrelevant social democratic parties have stuck to aligning with the Green Party while also dying in relevance, the Liberty Union Party and Peace and Freedom Party are using the influence they have in becoming state vassals of the PSL, and everything else is just irrelevant for third party standards.

[StateBoiler]

http://ballot-access.org/2020/10/24/nationwide-voter-registration-data-by-party/

In the 32 jurisdictions that have registration by party, here are the number of registered voters in each party and the number of independents:

Democratic: 47,106,084
Republican: 35,041,482
Independent & Miscellaneous: 33,696,700
Libertarian: 652,261
Green: 240,222
Constitution: 129,556
Working Families: 49,758
Reform: 9,004
Other Parties: 1,814,973

This data uses the most available figures for each jurisdiction. All are as of September or October 2020, except that New York has no data newer than February 2020, and Massachusetts is August 2020.

In February 2020 the numbers were:

Democratic: 45,715,952
Republican: 33,284,020
Independent & Miscellaneous: 33,530,123
Libertarian: 609,234
Green: 246,377
Constitution: 118,088
Working Families: 50,532
Reform: 6,665
Other Parties: 1,712,747

[Canis]

Kanye has appeared on the Roe Jogan Podcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxOeWuAHOiw&

[PSOL]

http://ballot-access.org/2020/10/24/nationwide-voter-registration-data-by-party/

In the 32 jurisdictions that have registration by party, here are the number of registered voters in each party and the number of independents:

Democratic: 47,106,084
Republican: 35,041,482
Independent & Miscellaneous: 33,696,700
Libertarian: 652,261
Green: 240,222
Constitution: 129,556
Working Families: 49,758
Reform: 9,004
Other Parties: 1,814,973

This data uses the most available figures for each jurisdiction. All are as of September or October 2020, except that New York has no data newer than February 2020, and Massachusetts is August 2020.

In February 2020 the numbers were:

Democratic: 45,715,952
Republican: 33,284,020
Independent & Miscellaneous: 33,530,123
Libertarian: 609,234
Green: 246,377
Constitution: 118,088
Working Families: 50,532
Reform: 6,665
Other Parties: 1,712,747

Are separated state affiliates in the national party or “other”? Anyway this is a huge growth for the liberal electoral pole including the Reform party and the Libertarians. The shedding of the Green Party continues, as expected.

A thing to look out for is what happens with the numbers of the constitution party post-Trump. If a cleanse of the Trumpers leads to growth and a revitalized Constitution party long-term, well my #analysis of them will be proven as total bunk. Another factor is the hidden party vote from state vassals, undercounting the PSL and the liberal electoral pole currently hosting the Fuente/Richardson ticket.

[PSOL]

Well it was supposed to start right now, but the stream on their website and YouTube ain’t working. This is more junky than the CNN debates.

[PSOL]

Well it was supposed to start right now, but the stream on their website and YouTube ain’t working. This is more junky than the CNN debates.

Well now it’s starting

[PSOL]

Ok #analysis time. First off, the empty podium of the miner killer was nice in allowing more debate time between serious candidates. They also asked more bread and butter questions allowing some variation in their answer.

Brian Carroll: Perhaps the most underrated candidate of the whole thing. His soft-spoken demeanor was music to my ears. On policy, he distinguished himself by his knowledge of history and the constitution, in fact being so humble as saying that he isn’t that familiar with technology and still coming out strong. His party philosophy of Just War, Distributism, conservatism in calling Edmunde Burke for social justice (lmao), and being for a Jacksonian policy for the Fed. More loopy social conservatism was hidden and his party policy explained quite well. A-

Gloria La Riva: A socialist firebrand, she did what she needed to do in her rebuttal time. Blame capitalism as a system for the major ills facing the nation as she explained that she offers an alternative. Some of her tangents on anti-imperialism went over the question asked, but in blaming capitalism as the lead cause of the electoral troubles for third parties and in her deflecting the centralization answer well, well that was well done. Still, the most relevant part of the night is with her policies proposed. She said that small businesses and landowners (read: landlords) should get more aid from the government. She also is the only candidate that will leave the independence of the federal reserve. When the Marxist candidate is the one talking more closely to Keynesian orthodoxy, that is a big warning sign. B+

Howie Hawkins: A lot of serious energy in him tonight, but I feel as if something is missing. From the explicitly communalist platform of caring about social movements, nuclear disarmament, and decentralized socialism. Same to the last debate, although the complaining about the Democrats was a real drag at this point. B

Brock: A real class act. From being utterly obnoxious to just spouting platitudes. What should be of key notice are the two policies which shows his true colors. From refusing to break up the tech companies as irrelevant to protect the AI industry and useless compared to the “consumer side” to him ranting about the value of the dollar from the Fed. Complete garbage and I really do hope he ceases wasting our time.

[Alben Barkley]

https://twitter.com/jorgensen4potus/status/1320489569553387520?s=21

There is no punchline.

It’s not a joke.

[exopolitician]

*Smallest violin ever plays in the distance*

[WD]

“4 who can get to 270”

[beaver2.0]

Maybe she should've gone to the Free and Equal debate instead of being delusional about getting onto the main stage.

[One Term Floridian]

*Smallest violin ever plays in the distance*

[DrScholl]

This is why third parties are not taken seriously. They are always getting angry about stupid things.

[AltWorlder]

guys what parties would each SpongeBob character be

[Crumpets]

Anybody else remember "Election Connection with Nickelodeon" during the 2004 election? Good times.