The Atlas Asylum of absurd/ignorant posts IX

[AtorBoltox]

(I’d like to point out, though, that you officially don’t get to use Foucault as a cudgel against the left or queer theory if you are Catholic. Them’s the rules.)

Foucault is best understood as a figure of the right.

And no, this isn't surprising at all to anyone with any understanding of Foucault that goes beyond awkwardly citing him in undergrad term papers to curry favor with aging-New-Left professors.

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

The most idiotic post I've read on this forum... this week:

Great news! Unions are terrible doesn't matter how much you pay union workers they'll always demand more.

[VAR]

Do you want to see the Green Party getting 10-15% of the vote nationally? Outside of a handful of votes in his homestate (hardly enough to come close to winning it mind you) he wouldn't pick up a single conservative vote. Once he was the Democratic nominee he'd be attacked as a Socialist and interspersed with pictures of the squad, just the same as any other Democratic nominee. These attacks would do nothing to stop large swaths of the Democratic base from hating him of course and without the risk of a second Trump term as a motivating factor they'd have an extremely difficult time getting voters to the polls.

Yeah, none of this is right.

If Manchin was the nominee, he would have formidable crossover support. I can easily see him cleaning up with independents and moderates. Any attempts to tie him to the squad or call him a socialist would be laughable and fall flat. It didn’t really work on Biden outside maybe Florida; there’s no way in hell it would work on Manchin.

And as for defections from progressives, the only people who might vote Green Party are a small subset of whiny woke white people on Twitter who don’t come close to making up a sizable portion of the electorate. The actual core base of the Democratic Party — such as minority voters — would overwhelmingly support Manchin and is much closer to his views than to those of a Green Party candidate. (“Very liberal” Democrats are still a minority of the party and are overwhelmingly white.)

College whites would still vote for him against most Republicans; he’d still win most of the liberal ones and clean up with the moderates (especially if the Republican is another MAGA type). He’d also almost certainly win back a lot of the WWC; it wouldn’t be limited to WV and I think you drastically underestimate how huge this would be. It would lock down the rust belt and make victory effectively inevitable.

Very much in denial about the demographic/ideological realities of his party and the electorate at large, especially the WWC.

[Coastal Elitist]

The most idiotic post I've read on this forum... this week:

Great news! Unions are terrible doesn't matter how much you pay union workers they'll always demand more.

It's true and I have an example. The BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) union here in the Bay Area went on strike a few years ago and the local news investigated and discovered that BART janitors were making six figures a year and train operators made like 200K+. Yet these people still went on strike and demanded more money. There was no actual rationale for them going on strike they just wanted more money despite the fact that workers there are highly paid.

[Mad Deadly Worldwide Communist Gangster Computer God]

The most idiotic post I've read on this forum... this week:

Great news! Unions are terrible doesn't matter how much you pay union workers they'll always demand more.

It's true and I have an example. The BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) union here in the Bay Area went on strike a few years ago and the local news investigated and discovered that BART janitors were making six figures a year and train operators made like 200K+. Yet these people still went on strike and demanded more money. There was no actual rationale for them going on strike they just wanted more money despite the fact that workers there are highly paid.

As long as the lion's share of the wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few wealthy individuals and corporate conglomerates, I really couldn't give a sh!t.

[RFK Jr.’s Brain Worm]

But women have on average far worse driving skills, as part of an evolutionary disadvantage compared to men (less co-ordination). It takes much longer for women when they start driving school, when they try to park (backwards) or when trying to find directions to an address.

[Badger]

The most idiotic post I've read on this forum... this week:

Great news! Unions are terrible doesn't matter how much you pay union workers they'll always demand more.

It's true and I have an example. The BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) union here in the Bay Area went on strike a few years ago and the local news investigated and discovered that BART janitors were making six figures a year and train operators made like 200K+. Yet these people still went on strike and demanded more money. There was no actual rationale for them going on strike they just wanted more money despite the fact that workers there are highly paid.

As long as the lion's share of the wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few wealthy individuals and corporate conglomerates, I really couldn't give a sh!t.

It offends the princess sensibilities of some people that blue collar workers, many of whom with college degrees, can I actually earn good money.

[Badger]

Do you want to see the Green Party getting 10-15% of the vote nationally? Outside of a handful of votes in his homestate (hardly enough to come close to winning it mind you) he wouldn't pick up a single conservative vote. Once he was the Democratic nominee he'd be attacked as a Socialist and interspersed with pictures of the squad, just the same as any other Democratic nominee. These attacks would do nothing to stop large swaths of the Democratic base from hating him of course and without the risk of a second Trump term as a motivating factor they'd have an extremely difficult time getting voters to the polls.

Yeah, none of this is right.

If Manchin was the nominee, he would have formidable crossover support. I can easily see him cleaning up with independents and moderates. Any attempts to tie him to the squad or call him a socialist would be laughable and fall flat. It didn’t really work on Biden outside maybe Florida; there’s no way in hell it would work on Manchin.

And as for defections from progressives, the only people who might vote Green Party are a small subset of whiny woke white people on Twitter who don’t come close to making up a sizable portion of the electorate. The actual core base of the Democratic Party — such as minority voters — would overwhelmingly support Manchin and is much closer to his views than to those of a Green Party candidate. (“Very liberal” Democrats are still a minority of the party and are overwhelmingly white.)

College whites would still vote for him against most Republicans; he’d still win most of the liberal ones and clean up with the moderates (especially if the Republican is another MAGA type). He’d also almost certainly win back a lot of the WWC; it wouldn’t be limited to WV and I think you drastically underestimate how huge this would be. It would lock down the rust belt and make victory effectively inevitable.

Very much in denial about the demographic/ideological realities of his party and the electorate at large, especially the WWC.

I think Alben Barkley is wrong, for much the reasons you and the prior poster stated. But I really don't think this belongs in the awful post Gallery.

Frankly, This Thread has deserve to be renamed a long time ago.

[Morning in Atlas]

Nancy Pelosi needs to shut down the Squad’s Twitter access leading into the midterms and if they don’t comply, kick them out of the party. Our majority is hanging by a thread and the more of this s—t there is, the less likely we hold onto it.

TRYING TO SAVE THE RAZOR-THIN DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY FOR 2022
BY REDUCING THE RAZOR-THIN DEMOCRATIC MAJORITY IN 2020

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[GoTfan]

New candidate folks:

It's a small, immensely powerful, nuclear-capable nation rich in tech resources that can offer the US a lot of proprietary technology in exchange for diplomatic protection from a horde of scum vultures who would love to erase it from existence. It 100% makes sense as an ally for the United States on a purely pragmatic level.

If Israel is such an "immensely powerful, nuclear-capable nation rich in tech resources", why do we have to keep giving it monetary aids?

Those "monetary aids" are essentially stipends for purchases of American military technology.

How many Americans died from rationing insulin last year, again?

Silence, Corbynite.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Anyone worried about a mistrial here?

For cases like this it shows that there needs to be the option of a supermajority verdict if an absolute verdict can't be reached.

The question is what’s “cases like this” - trials of state agents?

Cop trials/trials with the risk of political upheaval/etc.

[Frodo]

See thread for context:

"'Anglo-Saxon political traditions'" is not a racial reference.  It is a reference to the 18th century Whig idea that the major elements of the English & American tradition of liberty, common law, separation of powers, etc., can all be traced back to guys whose names started with "Æthel-" gathering under oak trees.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

See thread for context:

"'Anglo-Saxon political traditions'" is not a racial reference.  It is a reference to the 18th century Whig idea that the major elements of the English & American tradition of liberty, common law, separation of powers, etc., can all be traced back to guys whose names started with "Æthel-" gathering under oak trees.

how is this absurd?   you think I should have mentioned Hengist and Horsa ?

[Never Made it to Graceland]

The most idiotic post I've read on this forum... this week:

Great news! Unions are terrible doesn't matter how much you pay union workers they'll always demand more.

It's true and I have an example. The BART (Bay Area Rapid Transit) union here in the Bay Area went on strike a few years ago and the local news investigated and discovered that BART janitors were making six figures a year and train operators made like 200K+. Yet these people still went on strike and demanded more money. There was no actual rationale for them going on strike they just wanted more money despite the fact that workers there are highly paid.

As long as the lion's share of the wealth is concentrated in the hands of a few wealthy individuals and corporate conglomerates, I really couldn't give a sh!t.

It offends the princess sensibilities of some people that blue collar workers, many of whom with college degrees, can I actually earn good money.

And isn't six figures in the Bay Area not even very much? Blame the tech bros and predatory development speculators for that one.

[Frodo]

See thread for context:

"'Anglo-Saxon political traditions'" is not a racial reference.  It is a reference to the 18th century Whig idea that the major elements of the English & American tradition of liberty, common law, separation of powers, etc., can all be traced back to guys whose names started with "Æthel-" gathering under oak trees.

how is this absurd?   you think I should have mentioned Hengist and Horsa ?

Don't play dumb.  You know exactly what 'Anglo-Saxon' is in reference to given our country's fraught racial history.    

[AtorBoltox]

It's just a classic gish gallop.  The strategy for combatting a gish gallop is to select the most absurd claim and cast doubt on that as proxy for all the other claims also being false.



So let's look at "East Timorese Crisis: 200K dead" in the third graphic.  Have you ever heard of the East Timorese Crisis?  Did you know this was a war America fought in?  I hadn't, I had to look this up.  Apparently in 1999 the citizens of East Timor (Timor Leste today) held a referendum and voted for independence from Indonesia.  Indonesia-backed militias tried to terrorize people into voting against the referendum, and started killing and displacing thousands of people, mainly in the capital city.

The U.N. wanted to end the violence, so a coalition of some western countries (mostly Australia) went into Timor Leste to keep the peace.  The militias fled to Indonesia and there was little violence.  Australia helped East Timor set up a transitional government and a few years later the new nation joined the U.N.

The United States offered intelligence support, and stationed a ship offshore in case things got heated.  But things didn't get heated, the militias fled at the first sign of opposition.

The total death toll was 1,600 -- the number of civilians killed by the Indonesian militias before the U.N. ever got involved.  19 Indonesian militants and 27 coalition forces were killed in sporadic violence after the intervention.



So what we've got here is a textbook success story for the United Nations, with very little involvement from the United States whatsoever and a clear case of the United States being on the side of "the good guys."  And of course, 1,600 deaths instead of 200K (which would be 20% of the population of Timor Leste).

Yet the graphic multiplies the number of dead by 125, attributing all those deaths to the United States (and more specifically, "capitalism").  OK buddy.


Also, for the record, the number of Native Americans killed by the United States numbers in the thousands.  It's not 50 million.  It's probably somewhere around 20,000.

[Donerail]

And isn't six figures in the Bay Area not even very much? Blame the tech bros and predatory development speculators for that one.

God I wish we had some developers & some tech bros running things — instead, we have long-time homeowners insisting on minimum lot sizes and height limits and parking minimums and, most recently, an environmental review process for a sidewalk. Important to direct your ire toward the parties who are actually responsible.

[🐒Gods of Prosperity🔱🐲💸]

See thread for context:

"'Anglo-Saxon political traditions'" is not a racial reference.  It is a reference to the 18th century Whig idea that the major elements of the English & American tradition of liberty, common law, separation of powers, etc., can all be traced back to guys whose names started with "Æthel-" gathering under oak trees.

how is this absurd?   you think I should have mentioned Hengist and Horsa ?

Don't play dumb.  You know exactly what 'Anglo-Saxon' is in reference to given our country's fraught racial history.   

It's really okay if you have no idea what I'm talking about.  Learning new stuff is good!  Just ask and I'll help you out.

[AtorBoltox]

Well, the USSR and the PRC fought many wars and sponsored countless famines and genocides in the name of spreading communism, the economic/political system.  An explicit tenet of Marxist-Leninist ideology is spreading communism by any means necessary, including mass murder.  Capitalism is essentially a reflection of the basic state of the world, where people have the freedom to produce whatever they like and value it however they like, so it isn't much of an ideology and doesn't require any such rules to exist.

America hasn't fought wars in the name of capitalism.  They've fought wars in the name of anti-communism, but the primary motivation wasn't economic, it was preventing the Soviet Union from achieving global hegemony, oppressing/murdering millions more people, and surrounding America with puppet states where they could later set up nuclear silos or naval/air bases.

If we truly cared about spreading "capitalism" we'd declare war on Sweden for being socialist.  Or we'd have declared war on Vietnam in the 90s, a war we could have won in about ten minutes, instead of working to welcome them back into the civilized world.

the hits just keep coming

[Badger]

See thread for context:

"'Anglo-Saxon political traditions'" is not a racial reference.  It is a reference to the 18th century Whig idea that the major elements of the English & American tradition of liberty, common law, separation of powers, etc., can all be traced back to guys whose names started with "Æthel-" gathering under oak trees.

how is this absurd?   you think I should have mentioned Hengist and Horsa ?

Don't play dumb.  You know exactly what 'Anglo-Saxon' is in reference to given our country's fraught racial history.   

It's really okay if you have no idea what I'm talking about.  Learning new stuff is good!  Just ask and I'll help you out.

He was right, and per your being only second to Fuzzy's on this entire form in terms of being completely contrarian to basic obvious facts when defending the right-wing is at stake, you let the point sale right over your head.

This is not, repeat not what what defending Anglo-Saxon culture has ever meant one time in our country's entire history. Nor is it remotely related to the basis on which the recent Anglo-Saxon caucus was formed as referenced in that thread. You are being obtuse, and you are snotty self-important smarter than now response is particularly unwarranted when your own position on this is so unqualifiedly boneheaded.

It's a cliche, but so well fits here. Your post is bad and you should feel bad.

[VAR]

[VAR]

I think the biggest problem with this post is that only a minority of Republican trifectas actually do such things to a significant extent. If most R trifectas did this, he would've had a point, but that isn't the case.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

Emo musicians don’t do anything relevant in their spare times.

[S019]

So the deadly capital attack was only deadly if you count the fact that protestors were killed?

We need a thread rename

[Badger]

Big Abraham comes out of the "War on Whites" closet.

Any talk of "1776" aside (which obviously was formed in reaction to the "1619 Project"), Miss Hannah-Jones is clearly trying to push an agenda, and while it's maybe not one I would call "unpatriotic," it is very obviously one that is anti-white, which is worse.