What is up with the Biden hysteria?

[SN2903]

Are you not tired of our terrible leadership in the middle of crises? Are you not tired of rich people running our government? Are you not tired of gridlock and the economic status quo of Reaganomics? Do you really think with a straight face after the chaos of the last few months, Trump is what we need going forward?

I have reservations that Joe Biden is the true change agent but one thing is for sure. He’s far better on policy and more competent than Trump.

Democrats are more for the rich than Trump is. Most people that I know that are Democrats are rich nowadays. The party really isn't a working class party anymore. Democrats base is highly educated, upper middle class voters now. Trump is the only President in my lifetime to stand up to China and to literally focus on bringing jobs back. He said America first. It sounds silly to a lot but those were powerful words to me and I am sure a lot of Americans, not just Republicans. He did get 12% of Bernie voters.

You honestly think Joe Biden who has been in office for 50 years can change the gridlock in DC and can be an agent of change? It just sounds ridiculous. Trump is a shake up to the system. It's a fact. You may not like that shake up but he has shaken up the system which is why so many people can't stand him. Democrats pretend to be for change when they aren't. Hillary was literally the most status quo candidate to ever run for office probably.

Outside of the first two lines, I don’t really disagree. I have reservations on Biden (though my gridlock comment was more directed at Spark in particular since he presumably wants a Democratic Senate based on his avatar color) and I do question whether he is the needed shake up or strong enough on trade (where I at least occasionally agree with Trump if you want to be nice) or even issues like financial regulation. But Trump tried to throw 30 million people off their health care, and in his first year passed a multi trillion dollar tax cut, left us woefully unprepared for a pandemic that will likely result in extending an admittedly unavoidable recession, is guilty of corruption with regards to his businesses, and has lacked competence in the aftermath of Floyd’s death. Joe Biden has not.

Biden doesn't have it though. He clearly is getting senile. Just look at all the gaffes he is making and he is slurring his speech a lot. He didn't used to do that that much. This isn't Joe Biden 2012 who at least had it somewhat on the ball. On health care, Trump should have come up with his own bill and not just argued for overturning Obamacare he should have had his own plan so that was a mistake. Trump is going to have the economic argument that he built a great economy or at least accelerated an already existing good economy, was hampered by the virus and now it is coming back. That is a powerful argument. The 401ks going up and retirement accounts going up should be enough for him to win Florida (lot of old people) so it will come down the Midwest where Trump again has a strong argument on the economy. I don't think Biden is a strong enough candidate to win.

Must suck to be down 14 to someone who is senile 😂😂😂

He's not down 14 more like 4-6 but keep thinking that. Trump is going to turn this around and win. I love the complacency and overconfidence of democrats right now

Even if Biden is up 20 points by November, I would swim naked through a lake full of glass shards to vote for him, as I hate Trump with the passion of a thousand sun's. No complacency here.

You're a hardcore democrat. You honestly think Biden will inspire casual voters? Talk about delusion. Biden is the next John Kerry. Period.

Seems like quite an improvement from when he was the next Dukakis last week. I notice that Trump's guaranteed vote share has also dropped from 47% to 46.5% in your opinion so it must be going very well for Biden at the moment.

Dukakis and Kerry were both awful. What is the difference? Biden is ahead right now but it's June. It means nothing. Kerry was ahead too. Romney was ahead too.

The difference? 140 electoral votes.

Good to see that nothing matters in June, presumably you'll stop telling everyone that Biden's lead will collapse once the American voters respond in awe to 13% unemployment in this week's polling, since that will also be irrelevant?

I NEVER said it would collapse what I said was Trump will get a bump because of the numbers and he will slowly claw his back back to a tied race by the end of August.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Are you not tired of our terrible leadership in the middle of crises? Are you not tired of rich people running our government? Are you not tired of gridlock and the economic status quo of Reaganomics? Do you really think with a straight face after the chaos of the last few months, Trump is what we need going forward?

I have reservations that Joe Biden is the true change agent but one thing is for sure. He’s far better on policy and more competent than Trump.

Democrats are more for the rich than Trump is. Most people that I know that are Democrats are rich nowadays. The party really isn't a working class party anymore. Democrats base is highly educated, upper middle class voters now. Trump is the only President in my lifetime to stand up to China and to literally focus on bringing jobs back. He said America first. It sounds silly to a lot but those were powerful words to me and I am sure a lot of Americans, not just Republicans. He did get 12% of Bernie voters.

You honestly think Joe Biden who has been in office for 50 years can change the gridlock in DC and can be an agent of change? It just sounds ridiculous. Trump is a shake up to the system. It's a fact. You may not like that shake up but he has shaken up the system which is why so many people can't stand him. Democrats pretend to be for change when they aren't. Hillary was literally the most status quo candidate to ever run for office probably.

Outside of the first two lines, I don’t really disagree. I have reservations on Biden (though my gridlock comment was more directed at Spark in particular since he presumably wants a Democratic Senate based on his avatar color) and I do question whether he is the needed shake up or strong enough on trade (where I at least occasionally agree with Trump if you want to be nice) or even issues like financial regulation. But Trump tried to throw 30 million people off their health care, and in his first year passed a multi trillion dollar tax cut, left us woefully unprepared for a pandemic that will likely result in extending an admittedly unavoidable recession, is guilty of corruption with regards to his businesses, and has lacked competence in the aftermath of Floyd’s death. Joe Biden has not.

Biden doesn't have it though. He clearly is getting senile. Just look at all the gaffes he is making and he is slurring his speech a lot. He didn't used to do that that much. This isn't Joe Biden 2012 who at least had it somewhat on the ball. On health care, Trump should have come up with his own bill and not just argued for overturning Obamacare he should have had his own plan so that was a mistake. Trump is going to have the economic argument that he built a great economy or at least accelerated an already existing good economy, was hampered by the virus and now it is coming back. That is a powerful argument. The 401ks going up and retirement accounts going up should be enough for him to win Florida (lot of old people) so it will come down the Midwest where Trump again has a strong argument on the economy. I don't think Biden is a strong enough candidate to win.

Must suck to be down 14 to someone who is senile 😂😂😂

He's not down 14 more like 4-6 but keep thinking that. Trump is going to turn this around and win. I love the complacency and overconfidence of democrats right now

Even if Biden is up 20 points by November, I would swim naked through a lake full of glass shards to vote for him, as I hate Trump with the passion of a thousand sun's. No complacency here.

You're a hardcore democrat. You honestly think Biden will inspire casual voters? Talk about delusion. Biden is the next John Kerry. Period.

Seems like quite an improvement from when he was the next Dukakis last week. I notice that Trump's guaranteed vote share has also dropped from 47% to 46.5% in your opinion so it must be going very well for Biden at the moment.

Dukakis and Kerry were both awful. What is the difference? Biden is ahead right now but it's June. It means nothing. Kerry was ahead too. Romney was ahead too.

The difference? 140 electoral votes.

Good to see that nothing matters in June, presumably you'll stop telling everyone that Biden's lead will collapse once the American voters respond in awe to 13% unemployment in this week's polling, since that will also be irrelevant?

I NEVER said it would collapse what I said was Trump will get a bump because of the numbers and he will slowly claw his back back to a tied race by the end of August.

Trump.has alot to say about Ukraine and Reade Biden, but Trump has 3 lawyers on house arrest for co conspiracy and hacking of the 2016 election with Trump, Stone, Cohen and Manafort.  Trump is only immune from prosecution due to being Prez. He has been impeached and Romney convicted him and Ernst and Collins are behind Ds due to fact they acquitted Trump

[Morning in Atlas]

This is certainly a post.

[Hindsight was 2020]

Yeah I don’t think Biden supporters are the hysterical ones in this thread

[President Johnson]

Right now, the US has a drunk driver who is consumed with fighting ridiculous Twitter wars at five o'clock in the morning, infighting, name-calling and blatend corruption. Trump is someone who is neither willing or capable to reach out the people, show empathy or even listen. He's someone, who is all in about himself. He doesn't care about public service or improving people's lives. Let's not kid ourselves.

On the other hand, there is a man with a distinguished public career and an actual record of accomplishments to improve people's lives. Not a perfect resume, but none is perfect. And unlike the current occupant of the White House, he has admitted on being wrong when it was the case. Putting politics aside, Joe Biden is as a good of a man as it can be. He actually cares about uniting people instead of constantly dividing them up.

I'm also tired of the stuff "muh Joe Biden is old, he doesn't represent the future". His program is as modern and future-oriented as it can be. If elected, there will be investments in jobs of the future, infrastructure, a sound energy policy, a minimum wage raise, better healthcare etc. Even if just half of his platform is enacted, it would be giant step forward. And as an experienced leader, Joe Biden knows how to get things done. He has proven so as senator and vice president. And yes, of course, it's important to have fresh minds in the executive branch, congress, legislatures and at the local level. Be assured Joe Biden will staff his administration with talented people of all (adult) generations, of all races and a good number of great women. He will have an administration that looks like America. And these will be people who won't have one corruption scandal after another.

On the contrary, what has Trump to offer? A bunch of old guys who are corrupt through and through and enrich themselves. Or lapdogs, who use the Justice Department for Trump's bidding? A State Department, that is empty because all experts have been fired or bullied to leave? Come on, man. Should I go on? What has Trump to offer for the future? He doesn't even acknowledge climate change, when there is an opportunity to become a green superpower. What has he to offer on the world stage other than embarrassing himself? He got conned by Kim and Putin, while he abandoned Canada, the Europeans and Asian partners. Give me a break. This choice is as clear as it can be. Joe Biden is the right man for this moment and he will be a great president. Someone who can get started on Day One. It's not hysteria. It's replacing an utterly failed president and terrible human being with someone who offers a great opportunity for renewal and a return to civilty.

[ProudModerate2]

Right now, the US has (a) drunk driver ...

LOL.
I like that. I need to start using it from here until November.