Without knowing the partisanship of these districts, do you deem this NC map fair? (14 districts)

[Libertas Vel Mors]

The overwhelming consensus on the last thread was that this should be redone with 14 districts, so here y'all go.

I'm setting this poll to run for one day. I drew this map with 2018 pop data, no partisan results. Tomorrow, I'll go back and redraw the districts, and report back the results:

[Vern]

No its not.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

I have no obvious quibbles with this map. It is a marked improvement over the previous one.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

No its not.

Ok, why? What would you change?

[Libertas Vel Mors]

I have no obvious quibbles with this map. It is a marked improvement over the previous one.

Thanks! I tried to put everything mentioned last time in.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

My guess is that the two Wake seats, the NE NC seat, Greensboro, Fayetteville, and Charlotte are all fairly safe D seats and/or are D-leaning. That makes 6/14, which is reasonable in NC. I voted yes in the poll. The most "fair" arrangement is 6D 7R 1Swing, and this isn't perfectly reflective of that, but its close enough for me to give it a yes vote.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

https://davesredistricting.org/maps#viewmap::0dcd15af-2fd2-436b-a207-46a299390eab


This is a fair map that I made

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[lfromnj]

Clean up the Lumbee, you split it,
Despite them being too small to likely influence the primary itself they still should be kept together so they can influence the general election itself as they are very elastic swing voters in a swing area giving them a solid chance of choosing their own representative

[Nyvin]

The map gets a lot easier with 14 districts actually.  



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In the short term in this map Dems would probably be limited to 5-6 seats,  but 8, 11, and 14 could trend D enough by the end of the decade to flip them.  

[Vern]

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my fair map

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Clean up the Lumbee, you split it,
Despite them being too small to likely influence the primary itself they still should be kept together so they can influence the general election itself as they are very elastic swing voters in a swing area giving them a solid chance of choosing their own representative

Got it. Where should I put the cut instead then?

[Libertas Vel Mors]

The map gets a lot easier with 14 districts actually.   



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In the short term in this map Dems would probably be limited to 5 seats,  but 8, 11, and 14 could trend D enough by the end of the decade to flip them.   

This is a solid map.

https://davesredistricting.org/join/d433094c-770d-4b75-9e4a-671614e65893

my fair map

Why did you draw this with 2010 data? Why did you split Wake County in half? This is a pretty clear D gerrymander.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Clean up the Lumbee, you split it,
Despite them being too small to likely influence the primary itself they still should be kept together so they can influence the general election itself as they are very elastic swing voters in a swing area giving them a solid chance of choosing their own representative

This is a good suggestion imo.
Place all of Robeson in the Fayetteville CD and then compensate the Bladen CD with Wayne and parts of Johnston if necessary, and then compensate by giving the Lee CD the rest of Harnett and all of Moore and parts of Cumberland if necessary.

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

That olive colored district is gross. Mostly fine otherwise.

[Vern]

The map gets a lot easier with 14 districts actually.   



https://davesredistricting.org/join/1daa5814-bfa4-4b55-b77b-6f3f3c9825e8

In the short term in this map Dems would probably be limited to 5 seats,  but 8, 11, and 14 could trend D enough by the end of the decade to flip them.   

This is a solid map.

https://davesredistricting.org/join/d433094c-770d-4b75-9e4a-671614e65893

my fair map

Why did you draw this with 2010 data? Why did you split Wake County in half? This is a pretty clear D gerrymander.

I didn't make it with 2010 data. On my end, it shows 2018. Also, Wake County has to be split, so what is the problem. This map is a 7-7 map.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Clean up the Lumbee, you split it,
Despite them being too small to likely influence the primary itself they still should be kept together so they can influence the general election itself as they are very elastic swing voters in a swing area giving them a solid chance of choosing their own representative

This is a good suggestion imo.
Place all of Robeson in the Fayetteville CD and then compensate the Bladen CD with Wayne and parts of Johnston if necessary, and then compensate by giving the Lee CD the rest of Harnett and all of Moore and parts of Cumberland if necessary.

Like this?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Clean up the Lumbee, you split it,
Despite them being too small to likely influence the primary itself they still should be kept together so they can influence the general election itself as they are very elastic swing voters in a swing area giving them a solid chance of choosing their own representative

This is a good suggestion imo.
Place all of Robeson in the Fayetteville CD and then compensate the Bladen CD with Wayne and parts of Johnston if necessary, and then compensate by giving the Lee CD the rest of Harnett and all of Moore and parts of Cumberland if necessary.

Like this?

Yeah.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

The map gets a lot easier with 14 districts actually.   



https://davesredistricting.org/join/1daa5814-bfa4-4b55-b77b-6f3f3c9825e8

In the short term in this map Dems would probably be limited to 5 seats,  but 8, 11, and 14 could trend D enough by the end of the decade to flip them.   

This is a solid map.

https://davesredistricting.org/join/d433094c-770d-4b75-9e4a-671614e65893

my fair map

Why did you draw this with 2010 data? Why did you split Wake County in half? This is a pretty clear D gerrymander.

I didn't make it with 2010 data. On my end, it shows 2018. Also, Wake County has to be split, so what is the problem. This map is a 7-7 map.

Because the way you split it is a gerrymander. Wake County should have 1 100% Wake district, and 1 that takes up the rest. Instead, you split the county perfectly in half, so Wake County doesn't get it's own district and you gerrymander a second district D. It's basically the equivalent of splitting Milwaukee.

[Nyvin]

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Actually I like a lot about this map

If putting Harnett in with the Wilmington district is okay - It's possible to make a Clinton seat in the Sandhills.



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This would probably start out 8R-6D,  and trend to 8D-6R sometime this decade.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Clean up the Lumbee, you split it,
Despite them being too small to likely influence the primary itself they still should be kept together so they can influence the general election itself as they are very elastic swing voters in a swing area giving them a solid chance of choosing their own representative

This is a good suggestion imo.
Place all of Robeson in the Fayetteville CD and then compensate the Bladen CD with Wayne and parts of Johnston if necessary, and then compensate by giving the Lee CD the rest of Harnett and all of Moore and parts of Cumberland if necessary.

Like this?

Yeah.

Oops, sorry, just realized the picture didn't come through!

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

Clean up the Lumbee, you split it,
Despite them being too small to likely influence the primary itself they still should be kept together so they can influence the general election itself as they are very elastic swing voters in a swing area giving them a solid chance of choosing their own representative

This is a good suggestion imo.
Place all of Robeson in the Fayetteville CD and then compensate the Bladen CD with Wayne and parts of Johnston if necessary, and then compensate by giving the Lee CD the rest of Harnett and all of Moore and parts of Cumberland if necessary.

Like this?

Yeah.

Oops, sorry, just realized the picture didn't come through!

It was no problem, I just copied the link and got to it in another tab.

[Libertas Vel Mors]

Clean up the Lumbee, you split it,
Despite them being too small to likely influence the primary itself they still should be kept together so they can influence the general election itself as they are very elastic swing voters in a swing area giving them a solid chance of choosing their own representative

This is a good suggestion imo.
Place all of Robeson in the Fayetteville CD and then compensate the Bladen CD with Wayne and parts of Johnston if necessary, and then compensate by giving the Lee CD the rest of Harnett and all of Moore and parts of Cumberland if necessary.

Like this?

Yeah.

Oops, sorry, just realized the picture didn't come through!

It was no problem, I just copied the link and got to it in another tab.

Ah, got it!

[Vern]

https://davesredistricting.org/join/d433094c-770d-4b75-9e4a-671614e65893

[Sol]

That's better than your other one. My main quibbles are:
1. The Triangle--I think a different alignment of districts here is preferable. It's better IMO to have a Raleigh suburban+Johnston/Raleigh/Durham+Chapel Hill+Chatham etc. alignment than that Wayne to Alamance thing.
2. The 8th should include all of Robeson. You can then push the 7th north and then whatever district you have in that area into Moore or Harnett or wherever needs population.
3. There's a way to draw the 11th district in whole counties, which includes all that you have plus Watauga and minus McDowell. Alternatively you can do a more CoI focused district which withdraws from the High Country and takes in all of the Asheville area counties. But your map doesn't really serve either ideal perfectly.
4.You split Winston-Salem I believe.
5. Gaston County if possible should be reunited with the other portions of the Charlotte metro not in the 9th or 12th.

[Vern]

The map gets a lot easier with 14 districts actually.   



https://davesredistricting.org/join/1daa5814-bfa4-4b55-b77b-6f3f3c9825e8

In the short term in this map Dems would probably be limited to 5 seats,  but 8, 11, and 14 could trend D enough by the end of the decade to flip them.   

This is a solid map.

https://davesredistricting.org/join/d433094c-770d-4b75-9e4a-671614e65893

my fair map

Why did you draw this with 2010 data? Why did you split Wake County in half? This is a pretty clear D gerrymander.

I didn't make it with 2010 data. On my end, it shows 2018. Also, Wake County has to be split, so what is the problem. This map is a 7-7 map.

Because the way you split it is a gerrymander. Wake County should have 1 100% Wake district, and 1 that takes up the rest. Instead, you split the county perfectly in half, so Wake County doesn't get it's own district and you gerrymander a second district D. It's basically the equivalent of splitting Milwaukee.

Who says that Wake has to have 1 100% district? Also, the second district you say is a D one is almost an even district.