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Question: Will the United States will not last the 2020's if Trump wins 2020?
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Yes (Biden Elected)
 
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No (Biden Elected)
 
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Yes (Regardless of the victor)
 
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No (Regardless of the victor)
 
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« on: May 30, 2020, 09:36:36 PM »

I am genuinely afraid for the future of the United States. With how many senseless killings by the police and the president actively enabling them, I don't think that we can recover as well as we had with 9/11 and 1968.
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« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2020, 09:57:24 PM »

We aren’t even as bad as 1968. Paramilitary groups, while growing, aren’t conducting operations or holding out in their bunkers against the authorities in any scale reminiscent of even the 1980s. The only major thing going on is massive economic downturn of the 1930’s happening again, and even then  the institutions of the country aren’t totally as bad or as flimsy as then

Like I said beforehand, this is an acceleration of a long decline since the 1990s. We are seeing the United States collapse from its own contradictions under the immense pressure, as the global elite start the process of even considering to bail on this nation. We still are the global superpower in the sense of the soft and hard power is still unparalleled; cultural exports, military, financial control, and the maintenance of NATO. Obviously that is breaking down worldwide for a multipolar world, but that timeframe is decades, maybe in a century or more away.

If we’re smart, we would see the writing on the wall and try to manage said decline responsibly to maintain good international relations, a respected place in the table, and territorial integrity. However, seeing as Trump & Co. are willing to risk it all to maintain their presence as the elite powerhouse, the decline will only accelerate further as even the populace (We) start feeling the effects come back home. Like the massacres in Namibia prepared the German bigwigs to kill their own in the late 1910’s/early 1920s to hold onto what little they had, this current trajectory is setting all of us in a lot of pain.

Even if Biden is elected, at best it is just like kicking the can a bit further down. Some MAGApede like Richard Spencer will win the electoral college and continue right on course.
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« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2020, 01:01:33 AM »

Yes, everything will return to normal by 2021, virus will have a vaccination by then and sports will return.

Trump looks like Bush W in aftermath of COVID 19 and Bush W after Katrina
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« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2020, 03:19:03 AM »

Yes, everything will return to normal by 2021,

President Harding returns.
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« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2020, 10:48:48 AM »

Yes, but we will see a massive decline in our influence due to our awful Covid response and our inability to regulate our own population. Expect a CCP dominated World way sooner than previously thought (unless the EU can get it’s s**t together)
The US itself will survive, although it will be a shell of its former self, and could go in two directions. Either it can continue to ignore the prevailing problems, and eventually morph into something unimaginable, or it can embrace its new position while solving the long term problems that led to its decline (like a lot of European countries after WW2)
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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2020, 01:30:17 PM »

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There is reason for hope
America enters the final months of the 2020 campaign in a state of despair and disrepair. The choice is between an opportunistic incumbent and a tin-eared challenger.

But the US has faced serious challenges before – and emerged stronger. Neither the civil war in the 19th century or the Spanish flu pandemic in the early 20th halted the extraordinary growth in power that followed both.

Moreover, the US constitution remains intact and federalism has undergone something of a rebirth since the start of the pandemic. And there is a new generation of younger, more diverse, national leaders being forged in the fire of crisis to help lead the recovery.

https://theconversation.com/as-minneapolis-burns-trumps-presidency-is-sinking-deeper-into-crisis-and-yet-he-may-still-be-re-elected-139739
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« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2020, 02:13:32 PM »

On a long enough timeline, one should adhere to Keynesian-Olawakandist thought on this matter.
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« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2020, 02:22:52 PM »

everything would be fine if everybody would just chill tf out.

why can't everyone just be like me and be a miserable workaholic who cares about nothing other than getting rich and partying on the weekends.

police wouldn't be killing black ppl if they didn't give a sh**t about race and only cared about advancing themselves in life.
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« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2020, 02:26:01 PM »

In the post-Civil War era, we survived 1932 and 1968 (both of which were far worse than this year) -we'll be fine.  
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2020, 11:05:01 PM »

Yes, but we will see a massive decline in our influence due to our awful Covid response and our inability to regulate our own population. Expect a CCP dominated World way sooner than previously thought (unless the EU can get it’s s**t together)
The US itself will survive, although it will be a shell of its former self, and could go in two directions. Either it can continue to ignore the prevailing problems, and eventually morph into something unimaginable, or it can embrace its new position while solving the long term problems that led to its decline (like a lot of European countries after WW2)

I largely agree with this. I think the US of the 21st Century will be similar (though not exactly the same) as the UK of the 20th century.
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2020, 11:49:29 PM »

     Option five. As many people have pointed out here, the country has endured worse and survived. With that said, I see us suffering long-term decay of a particularly deep sort. If the timescale is extended to the end of the 21st century, I would go with option six.
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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2020, 02:01:30 AM »

We commoners, whom have been supporting athletes rich lifestyles cant survive a full yr without sports. Females have lived their entire lives without sports, men can live without sports until 2021
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2020, 02:38:15 AM »

Sigh.

This question is too stupid to be even answered. We have had little civil wars before. Unrest is not new. Read a book.
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