COVID-19 Megathread 5: The Trumps catch COVID-19

[pbrower2a]

The US's Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has authorised emergency use of the Ebola drug remdesivir for treating the coronavirus.

The authorisation means the anti-viral drug can now be used on people who are hospitalised with severe Covid-19.

A recent clinical trial showed the drug helped shorten the recovery time for people who were seriously ill.

However, it did not significantly improve survival rates.

www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-52511270

Complications kill, too.

[Joe Republic]

Not sure if there’s a separate thread for discussing the No Lives Matter protests, so I’ll post this here for now:

https://twitter.com/adamweinstein/status/1256755717685551110?s=21

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

I'm still suspicious that new cases are slowly dropping here in Florida but going up in every state surrounding us

[Person Man]

Not sure if there’s a separate thread for discussing the No Lives Matter protests, so I’ll post this here for now:

https://twitter.com/adamweinstein/status/1256755717685551110?s=21

You mean the Flu Klux Klan?

[Person Man]

I'm still suspicious that new cases are slowly dropping here in Florida but going up in every state surrounding us

That they're giving the virus the China Treatment?

[wbrocks67]

It's amazing to me that cases and deaths each day are essentially going UP right now, and the best idea that the nation can come up with is to reopen.

[Person Man]

It's amazing to me that cases and deaths each day are essentially going UP right now, and the best idea that the nation can come up with is to reopen.

Maybe the R0 value is suppressed to the point we won't have piles of sick and dying people in the street but if that happens, there is nothing we can do now.

[wbrocks67]

Mike DeWine was doing so good, and then he says today that making people wear masks 'went too far'. Ridiculous and a total slap in the face to the other many states who are doing it.

[T'Chenka]

It's amazing to me that cases and deaths each day are essentially going UP right now, and the best idea that the nation can come up with is to reopen.

Do you really think a wannabe jock wannabe alpha like Trump is going to listen to and defer to some poindexters?

[○∙◄☻¥tπ[╪AV┼cVê└]

I just saw a model that predicts 350,000 dead in the US alone by the end of June.

I lost hope I didn't even know I had.

The number of deaths is holding steady at about 2000 a day, so we're looking at around 150k-200k by the end of June.

[T'Chenka]

I just saw a model that predicts 350,000 dead in the US alone by the end of June.

I lost hope I didn't even know I had.

Don't take this the wrong way. I'm only saying this out of love.

Your depression / pessimism / doomsday lust is poisoning your mind. When you find new data or news, the appetite of your doom and gloom is forcing you to put a negative spin on it instead of analyzing the information objectively. You need to starve that s___ out and force yourself into rational analysis despite it no longer being your default psychological algorithm.

Be well and be safe.

[Calthrina950]

Mike DeWine was doing so good, and then he says today that making people wear masks 'went too far'. Ridiculous and a total slap in the face to the other many states who are doing it.

Actually, I think DeWine made the right call here. Like I've said before, I supported the mask advisories which the CDC and Surgeon-General issued at the beginning of last month, as well as that issued here in Colorado. But mandating that individuals wear masks, with all of the legal penalties and the rest attached to it, does invite questions of constitutionality. This is to say nothing of the fact that such a mandate in my view would be a "one size fits all" kind of solution, given the varying conditions present among local jurisdictions, to say nothing of the health/mental state of varying individuals.

[It’s so Joever]

Truth be told, I feel that mask laws would be good in theory, but the American politicians are too afraid to enforce them. We saw how many who broke the stay-at-home orders in front of the police weren’t arrested, and I highly doubt people who don’t wear masks would be arrested considering the precedent. Honestly, this crisis has really revealed just how truly eroded our society has become.
Modern American “culture” is a blight on our country.

[Farmlands]

I just saw a model that predicts 350,000 dead in the US alone by the end of June.

I lost hope I didn't even know I had.

Don't take this the wrong way. I'm only saying this out of love.

Your depression / pessimism / doomsday lust is poisoning your mind. When you find new data or news, the appetite of your doom and gloom is forcing you to put a negative spin on it instead of analyzing the information objectively. You need to starve that s___ out and force yourself into rational analysis despite it no longer being your default psychological algorithm.

Be well and be safe.

I get it. It's difficult to detach yourself from the real loss of life that's occuring from this, but sometimes it's the best option. Of course, not everyone is able to, but for me at least, it's better than giving in to anger and desperation.

[Dr. Arch]

The updated numbers for COVID-19 in the U.S. are in for 5/3 per: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm keeping track of these updates daily and updating at the end of the day, whenever all states finish reporting for that day.

Δ Change: Day-by-day Growth or Decline or COVID-19 Spread/Deaths.

• IE: Are we flattening the curve enough?

Σ Increase: A day's contribution to overall percentage growth of COVID-19 cases/deaths.

• IE: What's the overall change in the total?

<Last Numbers for 3/26-3/28 in this Post>
<Last Numbers for 3/29-4/4 in this Post>
<Last Numbers for 4/5-4/11 in this Post>
<Last Numbers for 4/12-4/18 in this Post>

4/19: <Sunday>

• Cases: 764,303 (+25,473 | Δ Change: ↓12.45% | Σ Increase: ↑3.45%)
• Deaths: 40,548 (+1,534 | Δ Change: ↓17.53% | Σ Increase: ↑3.93%)

4/20:

• Cases: 792,759 (+28,456 | Δ Change: ↑11.71% | Σ Increase: ↑3.28%)
• Deaths: 42,514 (+1,966 | Δ Change: ↑28.16% | Σ Increase: ↑4.85%)

4/21:

• Cases: 818,744 (+25,985 | Δ Change: ↓8.68% | Σ Increase: ↑3.72%)
• Deaths: 45,318 (+2,804 | Δ Change: ↑42.62% | Σ Increase: ↑6.60%)

4/22:

• Cases: 848,555 (+29,811 | Δ Change: ↑14.72% | Σ Increase: ↑3.64%)
• Deaths: 47,654 (+2,336 | Δ Change: ↓16.69% | Σ Increase: ↑5.15%)

4/23:

• Cases: 880,204 (+31,649 | Δ Change: ↑6.17% | Σ Increase: ↑3.73%)
• Deaths: 49,845 (+2,191 | Δ Change: ↓6.21% | Σ Increase: ↑4.60%)

4/24:

• Cases: 925,038 (+44,834 | Δ Change: ↑41.70% | Σ Increase: ↑5.09%)
• Deaths: 52,185 (+2,340 | Δ Change: ↑6.80% | Σ Increase: ↑4.69%)

4/25:

• Cases: 960,651 (+35,613 | Δ Change: ↓20.57% | Σ Increase: ↑3.85%)
• Deaths: 54,256 (+2,071 | Δ Change: ↓11.50% | Σ Increase: ↑3.97%)

4/26: <Sunday>

• Cases: 987,160 (+26,509 | Δ Change: ↓25.56% | Σ Increase: ↑2.76%)
• Deaths: 55,413 (+1,157 | Δ Change: ↓44.13% | Σ Increase: ↑2.13%)

4/27:

• Cases: 1,010,299 (+23,139 | Δ Change: ↓12.71% | Σ Increase: ↑2.34%)
• Deaths: 56,797 (+1,384 | Δ Change: ↑19.62% | Σ Increase: ↑2.50%)

4/28:

• Cases: 1,035,454 (+25,155 | Δ Change: ↑8.71% | Σ Increase: ↑2.49%)
• Deaths: 59,252 (+2,455 | Δ Change: ↑77.38% | Σ Increase: ↑4.32%)

4/29:

• Cases: 1,064,572 (+29,118 | Δ Change: ↑15.75% | Σ Increase: ↑2.81%)
• Deaths: 61,669 (+2,417 | Δ Change: ↓1.55% | Σ Increase: ↑4.08%)

4/30:

• Cases: 1,095,023 (+30,451 | Δ Change: ↑4.58% | Σ Increase: ↑2.86%)
• Deaths: 63,856 (+2,187 | Δ Change: ↓9.52% | Σ Increase: ↑3.55%)

5/1:

• Cases: 1,131,280 (+36,257 | Δ Change: ↑19.07% | Σ Increase: ↑3.31%)
• Deaths: 65,766 (+1,910 | Δ Change: ↓12.67% | Σ Increase: ↑2.99%)

5/2 (Yesterday):

• Cases: 1,160,774 (+29,484 | Δ Change: ↓18.68% | Σ Increase: ↑2.61%)
• Deaths: 67,444 (+1,678 | Δ Change: ↓12.15% | Σ Increase: ↑2.55%)

5/3 (Today): <Sunday>

• Cases: 1,187,804 (+27,030 | Δ Change: ↓8.32% | Σ Increase: ↑2.33%)
• Deaths: 68,589 (+1,142 | Δ Change: ↓31.94% | Σ Increase: ↑1.70%)

[Fuzzy Bear]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/03/nolte-they-told-us-lockdowns-were-about-flattening-the-curve-they-lied/

What had been a national effort to save lives, a noble effort of national unity, has been twisted by Democrat governors into something unnecessarily punitive that reeks of a partisan power play to destroy President Trump’s re-election chances. Give me a better explanation.  Because this is the bottom line…

Unless you’re willing to wait for a cure (that is at least a year away or might never come at all), when there is no risk the health care system’s going to crash, what is the point of waiting one more day to open up the country when waiting doesn’t make us any safer?

Normal, non-partisan people are asking this question as well.

[Omega21]

https://twitter.com/agavedelacalle/status/1256734244522438656

Mmmmm, nothing like some anti-vaxxer loonies spitting into cops' mouths during a pandemic.

Seriously, some people reacted better during the damn plague, and that's despite the fact we were dumb and thought it was a punishment by God, miasma, or whatever other stupid stuff people thought of back then.

Then again, seems some didn't move on that much, or perhaps even regressed just a tiny bit.

[T'Chenka]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/03/nolte-they-told-us-lockdowns-were-about-flattening-the-curve-they-lied/

What had been a national effort to save lives, a noble effort of national unity, has been twisted by Democrat governors into something unnecessarily punitive that reeks of a partisan power play to destroy President Trump’s re-election chances. Give me a better explanation.  Because this is the bottom line…

Unless you’re willing to wait for a cure (that is at least a year away or might never come at all), when there is no risk the health care system’s going to crash, what is the point of waiting one more day to open up the country when waiting doesn’t make us any safer?

Normal, non-partisan people are asking this question as well.

The idea that opening up states right now poses NO risk to the healthcare system crashing is laughable, Fuzzy. Breitbart can scream it from the mountaintops if they want, but it's still fake news.

[T'Chenka]

https://twitter.com/agavedelacalle/status/1256734244522438656

Mmmmm, nothing like some anti-vaxxer loonies spitting into cops' mouths during a pandemic.

Seriously, some people reacted better during the damn plague.

Charge them with attempted manslaughter.

[Landslide Lyndon]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/03/nolte-they-told-us-lockdowns-were-about-flattening-the-curve-they-lied/

What had been a national effort to save lives, a noble effort of national unity, has been twisted by Democrat governors into something unnecessarily punitive that reeks of a partisan power play to destroy President Trump’s re-election chances. Give me a better explanation.  Because this is the bottom line…

Unless you’re willing to wait for a cure (that is at least a year away or might never come at all), when there is no risk the health care system’s going to crash, what is the point of waiting one more day to open up the country when waiting doesn’t make us any safer?

Normal, non-partisan people are asking this question as well.

Normal, non-partisan people don't post breitbart articles as if they are anything else besides putrid, right-wing propaganda.

[Calthrina950]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/03/nolte-they-told-us-lockdowns-were-about-flattening-the-curve-they-lied/

What had been a national effort to save lives, a noble effort of national unity, has been twisted by Democrat governors into something unnecessarily punitive that reeks of a partisan power play to destroy President Trump’s re-election chances. Give me a better explanation.  Because this is the bottom line…

Unless you’re willing to wait for a cure (that is at least a year away or might never come at all), when there is no risk the health care system’s going to crash, what is the point of waiting one more day to open up the country when waiting doesn’t make us any safer?

Normal, non-partisan people are asking this question as well.

This message will be denigrated because of its source. And in fact, it already has been. However, I certainly do see the value of what has been argued here. Oregon's lockdown, for example, seems unreasonable to me. As I've said before, lockdowns should not extend beyond June. At some point, we will have to reopen the economy, but do so with precautions in place, and with ongoing testing, until the vaccine is developed.

[It’s so Joever]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/03/nolte-they-told-us-lockdowns-were-about-flattening-the-curve-they-lied/

What had been a national effort to save lives, a noble effort of national unity, has been twisted by Democrat governors into something unnecessarily punitive that reeks of a partisan power play to destroy President Trump’s re-election chances. Give me a better explanation.  Because this is the bottom line…

Unless you’re willing to wait for a cure (that is at least a year away or might never come at all), when there is no risk the health care system’s going to crash, what is the point of waiting one more day to open up the country when waiting doesn’t make us any safer?

Normal, non-partisan people are asking this question as well.

Oh great, the supposed pro-lifer is now taking the “reopen now or bust” route.
This argument has been debunked so many times on this thread, I won’t even bother.
What I will day is that New Zealand is going to be able to open up because they took it seriously from day one. Ditto for South Korea. I warned conservatives since early March that we needed a strict national lockdown if we wanted to be able to get back to normal quickly. Plenty of others did as well, yet your party denied the problem. Trump said it would go away in April.
 Had the Republicans actually taken this threat seriously and not dawdled, this never would have gotten so out of control. We could have been open by now.
Blame Trump and America for letting it spread so much to the point we couldn’t control it.
And don’t make a false dichotomy between preventing a pandemic and the economy. Most economists believe the outcome of reopening to quickly will be worse for the economy in the long term as opposed to staying locked down longer.
In many states, reopening now is detrimental.
Granted, a few States can safely reopen now, provided they ramp up testing and close their borders as much as possible with other States.
But to claim we must completely reopen now everywhere because “it won’t help” is one of the most atrocious and absolutely untrue statements I have seen this week. You know better, or at least I wish you did.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

237k tests today 27.3k new cases today
Last Sunday: 206k tests and 27k cases that that

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

I just saw a model that predicts 350,000 dead in the US alone by the end of June.

I lost hope I didn't even know I had.

The number of deaths is holding steady at about 2000 a day, so we're looking at around 150k-200k by the end of June.

I think if there is anything that might give up hope that we will avoid this, it is to compare US deaths to the trends we're seeing in Europe.

I've posted a graph I made that contrasts the 7-day average for deaths in the US (red line) with the cumulative deaths in the five big Western European countries (stacked bars). I think this is an interesting comparison because these countries combined have almost the exact same population as the US. Also like the US, they have some places where the big surge in deaths came early (Italy and Spain), some places where is came a few weeks later (France and UK), and some places that never saw a big surge (Germany).

You'll see the start of the decline in Spain and France corresponded to the start of the surge in France and UK. The result is that Europe saw a plateau in deaths that lasted around three weeks. But in the last ten days or so, we're finally seeing steady declines in all five countries, and total deaths are now less than half of what they were at their peak a month ago.

The US is also at a plateau that has now lasted about three weeks. We are at the point where we could still match the trend of Europe, just two weeks behind. I don't know if that will happen, but Europe shows it is possible.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/03/nolte-they-told-us-lockdowns-were-about-flattening-the-curve-they-lied/

What had been a national effort to save lives, a noble effort of national unity, has been twisted by Democrat governors into something unnecessarily punitive that reeks of a partisan power play to destroy President Trump’s re-election chances. Give me a better explanation.  Because this is the bottom line…

Unless you’re willing to wait for a cure (that is at least a year away or might never come at all), when there is no risk the health care system’s going to crash, what is the point of waiting one more day to open up the country when waiting doesn’t make us any safer?

Normal, non-partisan people are asking this question as well.

For every "normal, non-partisan" person who ask this, there are two or three also "normal, non-partisan" people who disagree and reject the premise. This is consistently supported by polling data.

The Right has so internalized the idea that it is the "silent majority" that it cannot fathom the idea that there would be an issue where it wouldn't only be in the minority, but in an overwhelming minority.