COVID-19 Megathread 5: The Trumps catch COVID-19

[It’s so Joever]

It’s funny how everyone is attacking only GOP governors.
Jared Polis is reopening tattoo parlors and nail salons and has yet to be the target of media outrage. It’s ludicrous.

This isn't true - Polis is reopening, but taking a phased approach. Colorado isn't going full Georgia

Except that “phase approach” opens up several completely nonessential businesses with high risk of close contact, all while testing is ridiculously low and cases per day are still at a peak.
Sure, it’s not Georgia, but that’s not a good metric.
Other GOP governors are being attacked and would rightfully be attacked taking the same steps Polis did.

[Landslide Lyndon]

It’s funny how everyone is attacking only GOP governors.
Jared Polis is reopening tattoo parlors and nail salons and has yet to be the target of media outrage. It’s ludicrous.

This isn't true - Polis is reopening, but taking a phased approach. Colorado isn't going full Georgia

I have a terrible feeling that "going full Georgia" is going to become a common saying in a not-good way.

I saw that cinemas will open too. What the hell are they going to show?

[wbrocks67]

It’s funny how everyone is attacking only GOP governors.
Jared Polis is reopening tattoo parlors and nail salons and has yet to be the target of media outrage. It’s ludicrous.

This isn't true - Polis is reopening, but taking a phased approach. Colorado isn't going full Georgia

Except that “phase approach” opens up several completely nonessential businesses with high risk of close contact, all while testing is ridiculously low and cases per day are still at a peak.
Sure, it’s not Georgia, but that’s not a good metric.
Other GOP governors are being attacked and would rightfully be attacked taking the same steps Polis did.

Polis does deserve some scrutiny for some of it I agree -

“Retail curbside delivery, any retail that wants to do that, that starts immediately April 27,” Polis said. Other retail would be allowed to open May 1 with some restrictions.

He said that elective surgeries would be allowed starting Monday.

Large workplaces, starting May 4, will be allowed to open at 50 percent capacity, and are advised to have symptom and temperature checks for workers as they arrive.

Polis said his own goal for bars, restaurants and clubs to reopen would be mid-May, but that he’d have to wait for data on the effects of other changes to make those decisions.

Retail curbside delivery is fine. And "other restrictions" for other retail is dubious and vague. However, large workplaces allowing 50% capacity on May 4th sounds like a recipe for disaster, since temperature checks really don't do much. The most idiotic thing Polis is doing is saying bars, restaurants, and clubs can reopen mid-May. Clubs and bars literally have people packed on top of each other. No state should have them open *anytime soon*. THAT is idiotic.

[Calthrina950]

Interesting opinion piece from CNN: When Denver backed off social distancing in the 1918 pandemic, the results were deadly

What is this supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that Colorado is beginning to reopen too soon?

[Storr]

The Homeless in NYC are taking shelter in the Metro stations

If only they could get temporary housing where they could be accommodated and accountable for.

To be fair, the homeless taking shelter in Subway stations isn't a new thing. Especially during winter, since underground stations are warmer than on street level.

[The world will shine with light in our nightmare]

Las Vegas Mayor Karen Carolyn Goodman's interview with the manager Anderson Cooper goes viral for suggesting that the people in her city be a "control group" to see if the curve will rise, among other really dumb statements

[Calthrina950]

Las Vegas Mayor Karen Carolyn Goodman's interview with the manager Anderson Cooper goes viral for suggesting that the people in her city be a "control group" to see if the curve will rise, among other really dumb statements

Mayor Goodman seems more concerned about getting the casinos and hotels running again, then she is about the public safety or about addressing the problems of Las Vegas' massive homeless population.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Interesting opinion piece from CNN: When Denver backed off social distancing in the 1918 pandemic, the results were deadly

What is this supposed to mean? Are you suggesting that Colorado is beginning to reopen too soon?

Actually, I was thinking of my own state's current situation, not Colorado's.  But it's a useful cautionary tale for any jurisdiction.

[Badger]

Las Vegas Mayor Karen Carolyn Goodman's interview with the manager Anderson Cooper goes viral for suggesting that the people in her city be a "control group" to see if the curve will rise, among other really dumb statements

Mayor Goodman seems more concerned about getting the casinos and hotels running again, then she is about the public safety or about addressing the problems of Las Vegas' massive homeless population.

Oscar was smart, but Shady. Carolyn's just dumb.

[Middle-aged Europe]

And it seems we finally have a winner for this year's Darwin Award:

Ohio man who disparaged lockdown measures on Facebook dies of coronavirus

His alleged posts have gone viral amid protests and debates about the loosening of social distancing measures across the country.

Social media posts of an Ohio man who disparaged coronavirus lockdown measures are now circulating online after he died of COVID-19, the disease associated with coronavirus.

Screenshots of Facebook posts calling social distancing measures “bullsh**t” have surfaced online just days after John W. McDaniel, 60, died of coronavirus on April 15. One screenshot of a post dated March 13 included an accusation that the virus was a “political ploy.”

“If you’re paranoid about getting sick, just don’t go out,” another post allegedly said. “It shouldn’t keep those of us from Living Our Lives. The Madness has to stop.”

...

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ohio-man-who-disparaged-lockdown-measures-facebook-dies-coronavirus-n1189861

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

Lol this press conference is a joke.

[It’s so Joever]

Colorado Covid-19 Update:
Covid-19 cases in Colorado increased by over 400, a sudden jump in new cases per day. All that being said, we had more processed tests today than the past few days, and positivity % actually went down. That’s both good and bad. Good in that it may be today’s case rise is just a function of more testing, but bad in that we are severely underestimating the number of cases.
Regardless, I will enjoy watching Polis pretend things are getting better tomorrow.
It also appears that as in other States, minorities are severely over represented in deaths. Whether this is due to preexisting conditions, lower income, genetic predispositions, or a mix of the three isn’t really known.
Regardless
Also, starting this Friday, NJH intends to offer antibody testing for those who don’t have symptoms currently but believe they may have had Covid.

[RJ]

Lol this press conference is a joke.

Are you talking about the one by trump just now? Did he really claim he's providing ventalators to foreign countries?? I thought we hadn't fixed that problem here...

[Dr. Arch]

The updated numbers for COVID-19 in the U.S. are in for 4/22 per: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

I'm keeping track of these updates daily and updating at the end of the day, whenever all states finish reporting for that day.

Δ Change: Day-by-day Growth or Decline or COVID-19 Spread/Deaths.

• IE: Are we flattening the curve enough?

Σ Increase: A day's contribution to overall percentage growth of COVID-19 cases/deaths.

• IE: What's the overall change in the total?

<Last Numbers for 3/26-3/28 in this Post>
<Last Numbers for 3/29-4/4 in this Post>
<Last Numbers for 4/5-4/11 in this Post>

4/12: <Sunday>

• Cases: 560,323 (+27,444 | Δ Change: ↓10.20% | Σ Increase: ↑5.15%)
• Deaths: 22,108 (+1,531 | Δ Change: ↓17.33% | Σ Increase: ↑7.44%)

4/13:

• Cases: 586,941 (+26,618 | Δ Change: ↓3.01% | Σ Increase: ↑4.75%)
• Deaths: 23,640 (+1,532 | Δ Change: ↑0.07% | Σ Increase: ↑6.93%)

4/14:

• Cases: 613,886 (+26,945 | Δ Change: ↑1.23% | Σ Increase: ↑4.59%)
• Deaths: 26,047 (+2,407 | Δ Change: ↑57.11% | Σ Increase: ↑10.18%)

4/15:

• Cases: 644,089 (+30,203 | Δ Change: ↑12.09% | Σ Increase: ↑4.92%)
• Deaths: 28,529 (+2,482 | Δ Change: ↑3.12% | Σ Increase: ↑9.53%)

4/16: <Missing Older Cases & Deaths Added / Δ Change Calculations Misleading>

• Cases: 677,570 (+33,481 | Σ Increase: ↑5.20%)
• Deaths: 34,617 (+6,088 | Σ Increase: ↑21.34%)

4/17: <Δ Change Calculations Based on 4/15>

• Cases: 709,735 (+32,165 | Δ Change: ↑6.50% | Σ Increase: ↑4.09%)
• Deaths: 37,154 (+2,537 | Δ Change: ↑2.22% | Σ Increase: ↑7.33%)

4/18:

• Cases: 738,830 (+29,095 | Δ Change: ↓9.54% | Σ Increase: ↑4.75%)
• Deaths: 39,014 (+1,860 | Δ Change: ↓26.69% | Σ Increase: ↑5.01%)

4/19: <Sunday>

• Cases: 764,303 (+25,473 | Δ Change: ↓12.45% | Σ Increase: ↑3.45%)
• Deaths: 40,548 (+1,534 | Δ Change: ↓17.53% | Σ Increase: ↑3.93%)

4/20:

• Cases: 792,759 (+28,456 | Δ Change: ↑11.71% | Σ Increase: ↑3.28%)
• Deaths: 42,514 (+1,966 | Δ Change: ↑28.16% | Σ Increase: ↑4.85%)

4/21 (Yesterday):

• Cases: 818,744 (+25,985 | Δ Change: ↓8.68% | Σ Increase: ↑3.72%)
• Deaths: 45,318 (+2,804 | Δ Change: ↑42.62% | Σ Increase: ↑6.60%)

4/22 (Today):

• Cases: 848,555 (+29,811 | Δ Change: ↑14.72% | Σ Increase: ↑3.64%)
• Deaths: 47,654 (+2,336 | Δ Change: ↓16.69% | Σ Increase: ↑5.15%)

[emailking]

566 new deaths in Italy today.  One week ago, this number was 578.  Two weeks ago, it was 542. 
They've been in lockdown for more than 6 weeks now.  If is was truly working, shouldn't we be seeing a steady decline in this number by now?

Slightly down today to 437, maybe 7th times a charm. 😳

[emailking]

You know a lot of these posts belong on the other international thread

I thought it was decided way back when in part 1 that both threads could coexist to talk about rhe virus generally. I don't even check the other thread.

[jimrtex]

Latest update to my firms efforts to get funding to get us through. We're doing reasonably well, amazingly enough, due to having laid off most of our staff. The amount of work I have I had assumed would run out by the end of the week for about 3 weeks now. However, I think this week might be it.

We were approved for a significant SBA loan, but the key word here is loan. This is not a PPP loan which can be forgiven and covers payroll, rent, health insurance, and one other major thing I can't remember. Our application for a PPP Grant was, I kid you not, lost by the SBA we discovered yesterday. It was all so infuriating to learn that apparently since the SBA was receiving 800 applications per hour, the bank's merely cherry-picked the biggest companies to Grant loans to. So small firms like mine got screwed, while taxpayer dollars went to places like Ruth's Chris Steakhouse. Small business support indeed!

Anyway, Congress apparently appropriated more money for the program yesterday so we are back in line for a grant ( or as Mister reactionary blithely refers to it "welfare checks". Awfully cheeky coming from a guy whose paycheck is entirely taxpayer-funded). In the meantime my wife and I may very well have to apply for unemployment this weekend. :

The busboys and waiters and cooks at Ruth's Chris are going to appreciate getting paid, and hopefully having a job in a few months.

Yes, and I don't begrudge them that. But you utterly missed the point of my post. Is that being that the fast overwhelming majority of applicants being small and otherwise profitable businesses like myself, which cumulatively employ far more people then larger businesses like Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, may not be able to keep our own staff having a job for the sole sin of not being a large business yet.

The grant was $3508 per each employee. How much per employee is the grant for your business?

Each restaurant is essentially a small business. I doubt that they are making that much on their takeout. With out-of-town business and oil being given away, their Houston location is going to be suffering.

[jimrtex]

Las Vegas Mayor Karen Carolyn Goodman's interview with the manager Anderson Cooper goes viral for suggesting that the people in her city be a "control group" to see if the curve will rise, among other really dumb statements

Why is Cooper touching his face?

[It’s so Joever]

Las Vegas Mayor Karen Carolyn Goodman's interview with the manager Anderson Cooper goes viral for suggesting that the people in her city be a "control group" to see if the curve will rise, among other really dumb statements

Why is Cooper touching his face?

Your trolling is bad.

[Meclazine for Israel]

OK,

Good news for the Europe and USA. All appear to be on the downward slope now to recovery. The interesting thing about this pandemic is the limited time period displayed in all countries including South Korea and China. 1 month up and 1-2 months down the curve in most instances with a slight variation in the length in some countries.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

UK



UK 22 April - Active Cases
Predicted peak of Active Cases: 81,163 – April 19
Recoveries added to curve – 37,000


France



France 22 April - Active Cases
Predicted peak of Active Cases: 59,955 – April 11
Recoveries added to curve – 61,400


Germany



Germany 22 April - Active Cases
Predicted peak of Active Cases: 66,264 – April 6
Recoveries added to curve – 16,200


Spain



Spain 22 April - Active Cases
Predicted peak of Active Cases: 78,610 – April 9
Recoveries added to curve – 52,100

Spain shares many similarities with Germany, except greater cases.


Italy



Italy 22 April - Active Cases
Predicted peak of Active Cases: 68,528 – March 30
Recoveries added to curve – 90,000

Italy starting to become very predictable now following the downward curve.


USA



USA 22 April - Active Cases
Predicted peak of Active Cases: 490,117 – April 19
Recoveries added to curve – 252,000

USA on it's way down the slope should start to decelerate rapidly in Active Case numbers over the next week.


Growth Curve

When all the growth curves in Active Cases are plotted together, we get:



Growth curves have been smoothed with 3 point averaging.

[GeorgiaModerate]

https://mobile.twitter.com/grynbaum/status/1253142566708473856

This is the study that found no benefit in treatment but an increase in deaths among those given it.

[Grassroots]

[T'Chenka]

https://mobile.twitter.com/grynbaum/status/1253142566708473856

This is the study that found no benefit in treatment but an increase in deaths among those given it.

Nasty woman

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https://mobile.twitter.com/grynbaum/status/1253142566708473856

This is the study that found no benefit in treatment but an increase in deaths among those given it.

They keep pushing this just because Trump said it. I thought of a possible treatment that turns out to actually help (blood plasma), but I'm not the President.

[#TheShadowyAbyss]

OK,

Good news for the Europe and USA. All appear to be on the downward slope now to recovery. The interesting thing about this pandemic is the limited time period displayed in all countries including South Korea and China. 1 month up and 1-2 months down the curve in most instances with a slight variation in the length in some countries.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

I have to disagree with you here. U.S cases are NOT going down, we added more cases today than yesterday and we added 30k+ new cases today....