COVID-19 Megathread 3: Third time's a charm

[GeorgiaModerate]

Read this one all the way through:

https://twitter.com/mlipsitch/status/1243347447537115136

Unrolled version: https://threader.app/thread/1243347447537115136

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://twitter.com/msmacb/status/1243410452220006400?s=19

SNIP!

I'm wary of the sourcing (just because it's a bit generic), though the terminology is all there.  

That said, if this is an authentic account, this little bit about bilateral interstitial pneumonia (inflammation of the alveoli walls) is interesting:

CXR (Chest X-Ray)- bilateral interstitial pneumonia (anecdotally starts most often in the RLL so bilateral on CXR is not required).  The hypoxia does not correlate with the CXR findings. Their lungs do not sound bad. Keep your stethoscope in your pocket and evaluate with your eyes and pulse ox.

Ordinarily, when someone presents with pneumonia, you can hear a distinctive rattling or tearing sound (called *crackles*) with a stethoscope when the patient breathes.  It's a little like velcro strips being torn apart.  

[Torrain]

Read this one all the way through:

https://twitter.com/mlipsitch/status/1243347447537115136
Unrolled version: https://threader.app/thread/1243347447537115136

I don't doubt Dr Birx's experience, and I commend her for her work on fighting the AIDS crisis.

But this thread feels pretty on the money. She's conflated a hypothetical scenario, predicated on a major policy shift, and applied it to the existing situation in the US.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Amusing: Walmart is seeing an uptick in sales for clothing tops, but not bottoms, presumably due to many more people video conferencing from home.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/business/walmart-tops-bottoms-sales-trnd/index.html

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Im going to attempt to do the impossible and Play devils advocate for President Trump

As many of you on here already know Trump is your classic narcissistic
He needs for people to constantly praise him at all times and tell him how awesome he is.
Kim and Putin have already picked up on this because They know all they have to do is say a few nice words to the guy and he gives them everything they could ever ask for

Maybe its time our governors start having that same mentality
Im not saying they have to like it but I think they should all get on the phone right now and Give trump whatever BS praise he is asking for in order to get what they can out of him.

hell if I was governor I would tell him he is the greatest president since Lincoln if he would shut up and give my state everything it needs lol

Not let me be clear about this The Governors and mayors should not have to do this but if helps save lives and get them the resources they need then it is worth it in the end

Even setting aside the cost to our democracy from that scenario, there's a bigger problem with it. Mr. Trump is an incompetent moron in addition to being insane and corrupt. He couldn't lead effectively if he wanted to. We have to aceppt that, so long as Mr. Trump and his appointees remain on the scene, our national government will operate with only a small fraction of its possible effectiveness.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Trump touts great success as US becomes world's worst virus epicenter

As America became the epicenter of the global coronavirus pandemic, President Donald Trump downplayed the escalating national crisis.

His comments at Thursday's afternoon briefing underscored the growing duality of the fight: While the President is telling a tale of great successes, of a government powerfully mobilizing, front-line health care workers are facing gruesome scenes in hospitals in a growing number of hot spots.
Later, ignoring traditional codes of the presidency at a time of trial, the President lashed out in a TV interview at Democratic governors channeling appeals from overwhelmed health care workers in their home states as Covid-19 exacts an increasing toll.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1243162967555870721

[Stranger in a strange land]

https://twitter.com/revrrlewis/status/1243162967555870721

And the screaming of Karens demanding to speak to the manager of the Coronavirus echoed through the mountains and across the plains.

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1243534441772974081

Rep. Dean Phillips (D - MN 3rd)

https://mobile.twitter.com/RepDeanPhillips/status/1243296323312340992?ref_src=tw...

[Torrain]

BREAKING: UK PM Boris Johnson has COVID-19

He's tested positive, and is displaying mild symptoms.

We have a continuity plan in place, with Foreign Secretary (and everyone's least favourite cabinet minister) Dominic Raab taking over if he becomes seriously ill.

But more important is the fact that this means key figures like the Health Secretary, as well as the rest of the UK cabinet, the Chief Medical Officer and much of the upper ranks of the civil service could be infected.

Johnson was in Parliament as recently as Wednesday, alongside the Health Secretary, and the leaders of the opposition parties. And he stood alongside the Chancellor just last night.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52060791

Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary has tested positive too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52058788

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

Senator Lamar Alexander (R-TN) announces that his daughter and grandson have tested positive:

https://mobile.twitter.com/6News/status/1243541714008264711

[Calthrina950]

BREAKING: UK PM Boris Johnson has COVID-19

He's tested positive, and is displaying mild symptoms.

We have a continuity plan in place, with Foreign Secretary (and everyone's least favourite cabinet minister) Dominic Raab taking over if he becomes seriously ill.

But more important is the fact that this means key figures like the Health Secretary, as well as the rest of the UK cabinet, the Chief Medical Officer and much of the upper ranks of the civil service could be infected.

Johnson was in Parliament as recently as Wednesday, alongside the Health Secretary, and the leaders of the opposition parties. And he stood alongside the Chancellor just last night.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52060791

Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary has tested positive too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52058788

Jesus Christ! Why does coronavirus continue to infect so many government officials? This is astonishing.

[DINGO Joe]

So, it turns out that the Catholics, who have a patron saint for everything, have one for plagues and epidemics, and her name is......St. Corona

https://aleteia.org/2020/03/14/yes-theres-actually-a-st-corona-and-shes-buried-in-the-middle-of-the-pandemic/

She's also the patron saint of treasure hunters and lumberjacks (cause that's the way patron saints roll)

Anyway, her remains are in N. Italy, so she's not doing a bang up job so far.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

BREAKING: UK PM Boris Johnson has COVID-19

He's tested positive, and is displaying mild symptoms.

We have a continuity plan in place, with Foreign Secretary (and everyone's least favourite cabinet minister) Dominic Raab taking over if he becomes seriously ill.

But more important is the fact that this means key figures like the Health Secretary, as well as the rest of the UK cabinet, the Chief Medical Officer and much of the upper ranks of the civil service could be infected.

Johnson was in Parliament as recently as Wednesday, alongside the Health Secretary, and the leaders of the opposition parties. And he stood alongside the Chancellor just last night.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52060791

Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary has tested positive too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52058788

Jesus Christ! Why does coronavirus continue to infect so many government officials? This is astonishing.

Public officials are a high-risk demographic given the very nature of their jobs.

[Crumpets]

BREAKING: UK PM Boris Johnson has COVID-19

He's tested positive, and is displaying mild symptoms.

We have a continuity plan in place, with Foreign Secretary (and everyone's least favourite cabinet minister) Dominic Raab taking over if he becomes seriously ill.

But more important is the fact that this means key figures like the Health Secretary, as well as the rest of the UK cabinet, the Chief Medical Officer and much of the upper ranks of the civil service could be infected.

Johnson was in Parliament as recently as Wednesday, alongside the Health Secretary, and the leaders of the opposition parties. And he stood alongside the Chancellor just last night.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52060791

Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary has tested positive too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52058788

Jesus Christ! Why does coronavirus continue to infect so many government officials? This is astonishing.

Two possibilities come to mind: 1) goverment officals have to come into contact with a large number of people 2) they don't actually get infected at a higher rate, they just have better access to testing.

[DINGO Joe]

BREAKING: UK PM Boris Johnson has COVID-19

He's tested positive, and is displaying mild symptoms.

We have a continuity plan in place, with Foreign Secretary (and everyone's least favourite cabinet minister) Dominic Raab taking over if he becomes seriously ill.

But more important is the fact that this means key figures like the Health Secretary, as well as the rest of the UK cabinet, the Chief Medical Officer and much of the upper ranks of the civil service could be infected.

Johnson was in Parliament as recently as Wednesday, alongside the Health Secretary, and the leaders of the opposition parties. And he stood alongside the Chancellor just last night.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52060791

Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary has tested positive too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52058788

Jesus Christ! Why does coronavirus continue to infect so many government officials? This is astonishing.

https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/1243532761262182402

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

BREAKING: UK PM Boris Johnson has COVID-19

He's tested positive, and is displaying mild symptoms.

We have a continuity plan in place, with Foreign Secretary (and everyone's least favourite cabinet minister) Dominic Raab taking over if he becomes seriously ill.

But more important is the fact that this means key figures like the Health Secretary, as well as the rest of the UK cabinet, the Chief Medical Officer and much of the upper ranks of the civil service could be infected.

Johnson was in Parliament as recently as Wednesday, alongside the Health Secretary, and the leaders of the opposition parties. And he stood alongside the Chancellor just last night.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52060791

Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary has tested positive too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52058788

Jesus Christ! Why does coronavirus continue to infect so many government officials? This is astonishing.

UK Parliament just shut down for a month yesterday.  MP's are packed even more tightly together than our House Reps (people sitting right next to each other, MP's standing shoulder to shoulder, etc.)

[Calthrina950]

BREAKING: UK PM Boris Johnson has COVID-19

He's tested positive, and is displaying mild symptoms.

We have a continuity plan in place, with Foreign Secretary (and everyone's least favourite cabinet minister) Dominic Raab taking over if he becomes seriously ill.

But more important is the fact that this means key figures like the Health Secretary, as well as the rest of the UK cabinet, the Chief Medical Officer and much of the upper ranks of the civil service could be infected.

Johnson was in Parliament as recently as Wednesday, alongside the Health Secretary, and the leaders of the opposition parties. And he stood alongside the Chancellor just last night.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52060791

Matt Hancock, the Health Secretary has tested positive too.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-52058788

Jesus Christ! Why does coronavirus continue to infect so many government officials? This is astonishing.

Public officials are a high-risk demographic given the very nature of their jobs.

Yes I understand, but it's astonishing to me still.

[GeorgiaModerate]

Good news...

https://twitter.com/RepKatiePorter/status/1243542871648751618

[emailking]

https://twitter.com/aslavitt/status/1243396224654249985?s=21

apparently people are saying it is the henry ford hospital

this is horrific and if it is sign of whats to come than things are about to get really ugly

What was this? It's deleted?

[MABA 2020]

UK Parliament just shut down for a month yesterday.  MP's are packed even more tightly together than our House Reps (people sitting right next to each other, MP's standing shoulder to shoulder, etc.)

Its not an ideal setup is it?

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

UK Parliament just shut down for a month yesterday.  MP's are packed even more tightly together than our House Reps (people sitting right next to each other, MP's standing shoulder to shoulder, etc.)

Its not an ideal setup is it?

Ah yes, the worth of a setup of a governmental assembly is to be decided solely by how easily coronavirus spreads in it. Whatever happened to things like history, tradition, number of reps, chamber size*, and so on - one disease with rather unusual traits and the type of which comes along once every dozen years at most is the sole judge!
*=here meaning the pyschical size of the area the assembly congregates in.

[GeorgiaModerate]

UK Parliament just shut down for a month yesterday.  MP's are packed even more tightly together than our House Reps (people sitting right next to each other, MP's standing shoulder to shoulder, etc.)

Its not an ideal setup is it?

Ah yes, the worth of a setup of a governmental assembly is to be decided solely by how easily coronavirus spreads in it. Whatever happened to things like history, tradition, number of reps, chamber size, and so on - one disease with rather unusual traits and the type of which comes along once every dozen years at most is the sole judge!

He clearly meant that it's not an ideal setup in the context of transmission of the disease that (checks top of page) is in fact the topic of this thread.  This is objectively true.

[President Punxsutawney Phil]

UK Parliament just shut down for a month yesterday.  MP's are packed even more tightly together than our House Reps (people sitting right next to each other, MP's standing shoulder to shoulder, etc.)

Its not an ideal setup is it?

Ah yes, the worth of a setup of a governmental assembly is to be decided solely by how easily coronavirus spreads in it. Whatever happened to things like history, tradition, number of reps, chamber size, and so on - one disease with rather unusual traits and the type of which comes along once every dozen years at most is the sole judge!

He clearly meant that it's not an ideal setup in the context of transmission of the disease that (checks top of page) is in fact the topic of this thread.  This is objectively true.

if that is all that was meant I apologize.
My mind was thinking paranoia on corona was going so far as to make people want to question the very worth of their institutional traditions insofar as to procedure.
Helsinkian seems to be doing that elsewhere...but I misfired here.

[Florida Man for Crime]

The Second Virus Shockwave Is Hitting China’s Factories Already

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Since last week, emails from foreign clients have been flooding into export manager Grace Gao’s in-box, asking to delay orders already made, putting goods ready to be shipped on hold until further notice, or asking for payment grace periods of up to two months.

Gao’s firm, Shandong Pangu Industrial Co., makes tools like hammers and axes, 60% of which go to the European market. As the virus ravages the continent from Spain to Italy, the shutdowns there are cutting off orders to Chinese factories just as they were beginning to get back on their feet. It’s a story playing out across the country.

“It’s a complete, dramatic turnaround,” lamented Gao, estimating sales in April to May will plunge as much as 40% from last year. “Last month, it was our customers who chased after us checking if we could still deliver goods as planned. Now it’s become us chasing after them asking if we should still deliver products as they ordered.”

So global supply chains seem like they will continue to be a problem as long as there are outbreaks in any significant # of economically important countries. The problem is it only needs to be a problem in a single country in the entire global supply chain to stop the system from functioning. There are many products which are made in country A using inputs from country B, and the inputs used to make the input that country B makes are made in country C, etc.