Iowa Caucus Results Thread (pg 148 - full results)

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HOLY SH*T THEY PROJECT A F**KING TIE

hahahahahahahahahaha

I told you all a few pages back it would be a tie.

And then there will be a coin toss.

Which Buttigieg will of course win.

CNN will make the coin toss an hour-long special and have a bunch of coin toss experts on air to cross-examine the guy flipping the coin for any hint of bias.

All to determine who can claim victory in a contest where they're both getting 11 delegates.

There is 1 national PLEO delegate that would be decided by this. But I don't know if that would be officially decided yet.

[NOVA Green]

Oh Tender will be so disappointed when he wakes up.

I believe I posted something similar a few pages back...

Not a hater on Pete although we have a few policy disagreements on some minor items....

[Walmart_shopper]

So updated counts with better sourced data:

CD1 Satellite: Cedar Rapids Public Library, Whipple Auditorium: 24
CD1 Satellite: Hoover Elementary School: 121
CD1 Satellite: RWDSU Local 110: 20
CD1 Satellite: UAW Local 838: 20
CD1 Satellite: Mayflower Retirement Community Carmen Center: 72
CD1 Satellite: Kirkwood Community College Recreation Center : 77
CD1 Satellite: Drake Library: 15

Likely to be mid sized
CD1 Satellite: University of Dubuque Blades Chapel; Charles and Romonda Myers Center

Union Locals
CD1 Satellite: UAW Local 893
CD1 Satellite: UAW Local 94

Retirement Homes
CD1 Satellite: Edgewood Convalescent
CD1 Satellite: Faith Luthern Home
CD1 Satellite: The Meth-Wick Community

We have sadly dropped down to at least 349 attendees, leaving 252 to make up from the 7 remaining precincts. Definitely an uphill climb, though a picture I saw on twitter did seem to show UAW Local 893 to have quite a few people there.

Who knows, those union halls + higher turnout in the retirement communities (prob benefiting Klobuchar narrowly at the expense of Pete) and the University of Dubuque satellite could push the number over 601.

Is there any university satellite equivalent to compare the Dubuque site to?

[NOVA Green]

"Price said the backup phone lines crashed because internet trolls got the number and flooded the lines Monday night.
There were no calls for his resignation, a person on the call said, with more people expressing apology to him than outrage."

https://www.kezi.com/content/national/567611922.html

There were brief postings about this some (10) page upthread.... but yeah def good to post local media coverage from some dirty deeds and done dirt cheap (From Trumpista's trying to interfere with our election and jack the results as part of some Operation Chaos)....

[chickentitilater]

sucks that buttigieg got a bounce in the polls because of a race he didn't win. the mayor should simply refund the last few days if he wants Bernie's forgiveness.

[n1240]

So updated counts with better sourced data:

CD1 Satellite: Cedar Rapids Public Library, Whipple Auditorium: 24
CD1 Satellite: Hoover Elementary School: 121
CD1 Satellite: RWDSU Local 110: 20
CD1 Satellite: UAW Local 838: 20
CD1 Satellite: Mayflower Retirement Community Carmen Center: 72
CD1 Satellite: Kirkwood Community College Recreation Center : 77
CD1 Satellite: Drake Library: 15

Likely to be mid sized
CD1 Satellite: University of Dubuque Blades Chapel; Charles and Romonda Myers Center

Union Locals
CD1 Satellite: UAW Local 893
CD1 Satellite: UAW Local 94

Retirement Homes
CD1 Satellite: Edgewood Convalescent
CD1 Satellite: Faith Luthern Home
CD1 Satellite: The Meth-Wick Community

We have sadly dropped down to at least 349 attendees, leaving 252 to make up from the 7 remaining precincts. Definitely an uphill climb, though a picture I saw on twitter did seem to show UAW Local 893 to have quite a few people there.

Who knows, those union halls + higher turnout in the retirement communities (prob benefiting Klobuchar narrowly at the expense of Pete) and the University of Dubuque satellite could push the number over 601.

Is there any university satellite equivalent to compare the Dubuque site to?

It's a small private Presbyterian university, bit different than some of the other universities in terms of it's characteristics.

[n1240]

Also kind of stumped as to how NYT does not factor in Woodbury County's outstanding traditional precincts into their total SDE votes remaining. Am I missing something? It's only 93% reporting.

It's some sort of graphical error, if you click on one of the candidate buttons under "Where Votes Remain for Each Candidate" you'll see the bubble pop up.

[Hydera]

Considering how many Hillary insiders are in the DNC and the sh**tty app being traced back to her former staffers im sure their gloating over everything that has happened.

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sucks that buttigieg got a bounce in the polls because of a race he didn't win. the mayor should simply refund the last few days if he wants Bernie's forgiveness.

I'm not willing to say Bernie won the state delegates (of course he won the actual popular vote) for sure yet. But if he does, Pete and MSNBC sure did try to take Bernie's win away from him from anyone watching. If MSNBC was fair, they'd let Bernie give a victory speech every single day for the next 2 weeks to make up for their giving Pete two victory speeches when it definitely shouldn't have been declared yet.

[T'Chenka]

So basically, Sanders DID win - or at least tie for first place - but the mainstream media has the very easy choice of downplaying it since the Iowa caucus is literally yesterday's news, and they prefer not to cast Bernie in a favourable light. SHOCKNG. We all know that if Sanders had initially "won" and in the end we found out that Buttigieg tied for first, they'd make sure that "Bernie didn't win, actually" would be tomorrow's top news story.

This stuff is sad and pathetic, but even moreso when it's THIS predictable. No wonder America went with a non-establishment candidate for President in 2016.

[n1240]

https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1225326883602141186

The Buttigieg precinct data which seems to have verified quite well suggests that Buttigieg still earns the delegate here, might be an error with realignment numbers in official count? The first and final count for each candidate are the same, which doesn't seem right. It's possible the non Buttigieg/Biden voters may have aligned in favor of Buttigieg in 2nd round giving him the delegate, but the final alignment numbers are incorrect in the official precinct data.

[T'Chenka]

sucks that buttigieg got a bounce in the polls because of a race he didn't win. the mayor should simply refund the last few days if he wants Bernie's forgiveness.

I'm not willing to say Bernie won the state delegates (of course he won the actual popular vote) for sure yet. But if he does, Pete and MSNBC sure did try to take Bernie's win away from him from anyone watching. If MSNBC was fair, they'd let Bernie give a victory speech every single day for the next 2 weeks to make up for their giving Pete two victory speeches when it definitely shouldn't have been declared yet.

IF MSNBC was fair, yeah.

[Sir Mohamed]

So basically, Sanders DID win - or at least tie for first place - but the mainstream media has the very easy choice of downplaying it since the Iowa caucus is literally yesterday's news, and they prefer not to cast Bernie in a favourable light. SHOCKNG. We all know that if Sanders had initially "won" and in the end we found out that Buttigieg tied for first, they'd make sure that "Bernie didn't win, actually" would be tomorrow's top news story.

This stuff is sad and pathetic, but even moreso when it's THIS predictable. No wonder America went with a non-establishment candidate for President in 2016.

You could also say this vise versa. The narrative "media is biased against Sanders" is nonsense. Just like the "2016 primary was rigged and HRC won due to superdelegates" stuff.

[Beet]

Imagine what would have happened if all the results came in fast.

Bernie did as expected, but he was unexpectedly tied by another candidate!

That candidate was Pete Buttigieg, originally expected to come in 3rd behind Joe Biden.

In other words, Buttigieg would have gotten a big boost out of Iowa even in a normal scenario.

[T'Chenka]

So basically, Sanders DID win - or at least tie for first place - but the mainstream media has the very easy choice of downplaying it since the Iowa caucus is literally yesterday's news, and they prefer not to cast Bernie in a favourable light. SHOCKNG. We all know that if Sanders had initially "won" and in the end we found out that Buttigieg tied for first, they'd make sure that "Bernie didn't win, actually" would be tomorrow's top news story.

This stuff is sad and pathetic, but even moreso when it's THIS predictable. No wonder America went with a non-establishment candidate for President in 2016.

You could also say this vise versa. The narrative "media is biased against Sanders" is nonsense. Just like the "2016 primary was rigged and HRC won due to superdelegates" stuff.

LOL!!! The establishment has you cucked, man. Take the red pill.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774

[Eraserhead]

Imagine what would have happened if all the results came in fast.

Bernie did as expected, but he was unexpectedly tied by another candidate!

That candidate was Pete Buttigieg, originally expected to come in 3rd behind Joe Biden.

In other words, Buttigieg would have gotten a big boost out of Iowa even in a normal scenario.

New Hampshire tracking seems to indicate he got a bump out of it anyway.

[GeneralMacArthur]

TBH, at this point it's silly to say that anyone won this thing.  Look back at this thread and the sheer number of inconsistencies and data errors Atlas has found.  This is now so close that any one of those errors could swing the result.

We could say tonight that Buttigieg won and then find out in a week that Thelma Bowen from Grand Junction, IA accidentally read a 7 as a 1 on her results sheet and gave a delegate to Buttigieg that was meant to go to Biden.  And now Sanders is the victor!  Time for Buttigieg to grovel and apologize on Twitter and for the media to run days of headlines declaring Sanders the real winner.

Two days later we discover that Wayne Hansford of Emmetsburg, IA thought he had lost the last page of his results tally, but actually it was under the front seat of his truck, and it has 18 more votes that are enough to give Buttigieg another SDE.  Now Buttigieg is the victor!  Time for Sanders to grovel and apologize on Twitter and for the media to run days of headlines declaring Buttigieg the real winner.

Then a week after that, Beverly Gibbons of West Branch, IA discovers that she did her math wrong, and accidentally allocated Klobuchar a delegate when she only got 14.6% in the final precinct vote.  That delegate goes to Sanders instead.  Now Sanders is the victor!  Time for Buttigieg to grovel and apologize on Twitter and for the media to run days of headlines declaring Sanders the real winner.

The reason we don't use caucuses for actual elections is that there's an insane amount of human error involved.  At least in the Bush-Gore race we had a paper trail and real, hard copies of verifiable punch-cards to look at.  This is a race that will never truly be decided because whoever "wins" will be bedeviled by an endless parade of stories of voting inconsistencies in their favor.

[Hydera]

Imagine what would have happened if all the results came in fast.

Bernie did as expected, but he was unexpectedly tied by another candidate!

That candidate was Pete Buttigieg, originally expected to come in 3rd behind Joe Biden.

In other words, Buttigieg would have gotten a big boost out of Iowa even in a normal scenario.

Even a tied in Iowa narrative would of meant less momentum for the cheat than the media anointing him winner in Iowa.

[AtorBoltox]

If Bernie ends up winning this, Pete comes out of the whole thing diminished as a candidate and a human being.

[AtorBoltox]

Also, something really needs to be done about America's third world electoral system. This simply doesn't happen in other developed democracies. Well, maybe Austria but that's it

[T'Chenka]

If Bernie ends up winning this, Pete comes out of the whole thing diminished as a candidate and a human being.

If the media reports on it properly, sure.

[Walmart_shopper]

If Bernie ends up winning this, Pete comes out of the whole thing diminished as a candidate and a human being.

That's the point. And while most people don't even know what a SDE is, most primary voters are savvy enough to know that Bernie got robbed and Buttigieg was left holding the bag of money. Maybe it won't matter a lot in New Hampshire, but giving Bernie people an added chip on the shoulder and making wine cave Pete look even more questionable is actually not a bad thing for Bernie.

[Walmart_shopper]

If Bernie ends up winning this, Pete comes out of the whole thing diminished as a candidate and a human being.

If the media reports on it properly, sure.

The debate will surely be the opportunity for Bernie to announce his victory in a way that everyone can hear about it. It may not do much, but it will surely make it awkward for Buttigieg and possibly blunt whatever momentum he has.

[GeneralMacArthur]

If Bernie ends up winning this, Pete comes out of the whole thing diminished as a candidate and a human being.

If the media reports on it properly, sure.

The debate will surely be the opportunity for Bernie to announce his victory in a way that everyone can hear about it. It may not do much, but it will surely make it awkward for Buttigieg and possibly blunt whatever momentum he has.

"It's funny, you're saying I said I won, and the media says that I said that as well.  But I never said that.  I said we had a victorious night, and we did.  We got twice as many votes as many polls predicted.  We beat all the pundits who said our campaign didn't have a chance.  We showed that an LGBT man can compete and nearly win on the toughest political stage in this country..." and so on and so forth.

It's an easy pivot for Pete.

[AtorBoltox]

If Bernie ends up winning this, Pete comes out of the whole thing diminished as a candidate and a human being.

If the media reports on it properly, sure.

The debate will surely be the opportunity for Bernie to announce his victory in a way that everyone can hear about it. It may not do much, but it will surely make it awkward for Buttigieg and possibly blunt whatever momentum he has.

"It's funny, you're saying I said I won, and the media says that I said that as well.  But I never said that.  I said we had a victorious night, and we did.  We got twice as many votes as many polls predicted.  We beat all the pundits who said our campaign didn't have a chance.  We showed that an LGBT man can compete and nearly win on the toughest political stage in this country..." and so on and so forth.

It's an easy pivot for Pete.

People are dumb, but not THAT dumb