Iowa Caucus Results Thread (pg 148 - full results)

[Ebsy]

To all the people hyperventilating in this thread about the "Bernie Bros", I feel like it is important to remind everyone that Sanders' supporters have absolutely no power in this situation. We are subject to the whims of a capricious party that refuses to reform and cannot competently manage its own vital functions. And perhaps some can be forgiven for turning to conspiracy theories at the moment, as it is not as if the Iowa Democratic Party has provided any actual information on the state of the count or when results have been released. The really objectionable behavior has come from the Biden campaign and Buttigieg, while the Sanders campaign has acted with remarkable restraint.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Back from work ... still no results.

LOL.

Anyway:

Pete Buttigieg's campaign said they have used Shadow Inc. — the same app company that developed the app in Iowa that caused the reporting area.

A Buttigieg campaign aide said they "have contracted with this vendor in the past for text messaging services to help us contact voters. Totally unrelated to any apps they built for the party.”

It appears that Joe Biden and Kirsten Gillibrand's campaign have also used the company, as well as other state Democratic parties.

So much to the Buttigieg-app conspiracy ...

It was an obvious Sanders Twitter conspiracy theory from the start. They pretend not to understand what consulting is all the time.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

Back from work ... still no results.

LOL.

Anyway:

Pete Buttigieg's campaign said they have used Shadow Inc. — the same app company that developed the app in Iowa that caused the reporting area.

A Buttigieg campaign aide said they "have contracted with this vendor in the past for text messaging services to help us contact voters. Totally unrelated to any apps they built for the party.”

It appears that Joe Biden and Kirsten Gillibrand's campaign have also used the company, as well as other state Democratic parties.

So much to the Buttigieg-app conspiracy ...

Shadow Inc? It is a nice name 

[Badger]

I had a feeling Biden was a paper tiger. But even I didn't see him coming in at 4th or 5th place. What a disaster.

May be, just may be Trump's "Where is corrupt Hunter"-campaign was a successful thing.

I honestly dont think that's what it was. Clinton doged corruption charges in 1992 and still won the nomination. So did Hillary in 2016 as well as Trump in 2016.

The fact is that nobody is excited for this guy. He only lead the polls because everyone knew his name

Agreed.  Biden is a relatively uninspiring candidate.  I'd likely vote for him if it meant booting Trump out of the White House, but it wouldn't be my proudest vote of my life.  

To me Biden's biggest strength as a general election candidate is that he is just too well-known of a commodity after 30 years in the public eye and eight as vice president for the Republicans to effectively reshape or mold his image. He has regular foot in mouth disease? Please. Trump most days literally can't get through to sentences without alarmingly slurring his words, and can't go more than two days without saying something Beyond stupid. Literally 98 + percent of individuals who give a damn about Biden's penchant for gaffes are already die-hard Trump partisans. Yes, Hillary was a known commodity, but the differences in public opinion on such issues as trustworthiness, stability, leadership, honesty, Etc were vastly different from Biden, and no softball part I'll readily Grant to her being the Ground Zero Focus for right-wing ire for literally the previous quarter century.

One can go down the line of damn near every issue and character trade, and Biden is just simply too well-known a public commodity, and generally overall favorable who's worst strikes against him to most the public are regular foot and mouth disease and his age - - and remember, he's running against Trump. Warren, buttigieg oh, and even Sanders despite his 2016 campaign are all still largely unknown Commodities, and have major major vulnerabilities to be warped and shaped by the Republican media and spin machine. Even Sanders, who is the strongest of those three in terms of being viewed as full of Integrity, has a lot of frankly radical proposals that can scare away voters who are uncertain about Trump. I'm not saying biting is Teflon, but if you are the Republican campaign Communications director, Vine is the candidate you least want to go against because you are by far have the least to work with.

So the reason why I still ever so tentatively support Biden in the primaries is, despite his advantage in the polls against Trump being only a couple points better than Bernie at most, and there are at least being a plausible argument that some of that is due to name recognition alone, he is still tangibly beef least - - emphasis least - - vulnerable candidate to Republican Distortion ads and screams of socialism. What's more, given the at best 50/50 chance that Democrats would hold the slenderest of majorities in the Senate, if at all, effectively giving Joe manchin veto power over any policy proposall that can avoid a cloture vote to begin with, I feel reasonably confident that any new policies enacted would be largely similar under a Biden presidency to a Sanders presidency oh, and possibly even more successful as, while I give exactly zero f**** about trying to bring over so-called Republican moderates to support anyting a democratic Administration would back, Biden would be a lot more likely to be able to keep folks like manchin, tester, Etc inline than Sanders.

[Reaganfan Democrat]

It was an obvious Sanders Twitter conspiracy theory from the start. They pretend not to understand what consulting is all the time.

I genuinely don't understand. 

[Heebie Jeebie]

To all the people hyperventilating in this thread about the "Bernie Bros" in this thread, I feel like it is important to remind everyone that Sanders' supporters have absolutely no power in this situation. We are subject to the whims of a capricious party that refuses to reform and cannot competently manage its own vital functions. And perhaps some can be forgiven for turning to conspiracy theories at the moment, as it is not as if the Iowa Democratic Party has provided any actual information on the state of the count or when results have been released. The really objectionable behavior has come from the Biden campaign and Buttigieg, while the Sanders campaign has acted with remarkable restraint.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1224714059058176001

[Tender Branson]

Chalian noted something interesting on CNN just now:

It was actually Bernie Sanders who emphasized to change to a more "modern" reporting system after 2016, which led the Iowa Dem. Party to purchase this app.

So it seems the IA Dems + Bernie are to blame the most for this fail, Buttigieg certainly the least ...

[Fmr. Gov. NickG]

Why hasn’t the media at least reported the compiled results of the caucus sites they were attending?  I’d think if they all agreed to aggregate, you’d have a pretty decent sample.

Because there's literally no precedent for media to ever report results this way (at least in the United States).  The media always sticks to reporting official (albeit often preliminary results).  Those results don't yet exist.

This still seems like a pretty big journalistic failure to me.  They are almost deliberately obfuscating information that they surely have access to.   In cases where official actors are concealing facts from the public, it should be the job of any good journalistic organization to track down that information and piece together the true story from whatever they are able to access.  I would think any major national news organization would have investigative journalists who could assemble this story fairly efficiently.

[Tender Branson]

Can't wait until Buttigieg is declared winner and gets the media attention he deserved, so he can fundraise 10s of millions off his victory and move into NH ...

[Diabolical Materialism]

Chalian noted something interesting on CNN just now:

It was actually Bernie Sanders who emphasized to change to a more "modern" reporting system after 2016, which led the Iowa Dem. Party to purchase this app.

So it seems the IA Dems + Bernie are to blame the most for this fail, Buttigieg certainly the least ...

The Sanders campaign's app worked just fine. The app created by a Buttigieg donor is the one that caused this issue.

[Ebsy]

It is absolutely laughable to intimate or state that Sanders is to blame for this catastrophe when he and his campaign had absolutely no authority or control over any of the implementation of the new process. It's like blaming a property inspector for finding cracks in the foundation!

[tagimaucia]

Chalian noted something interesting on CNN just now:

It was actually Bernie Sanders who emphasized to change to a more "modern" reporting system after 2016, which led the Iowa Dem. Party to purchase this app.

So it seems the IA Dems + Bernie are to blame the most for this fail, Buttigieg certainly the least ...

i'm sorry but this is completely ridiculous. nobody forced the iowa democratic party to hire a firm that designed a shoddy app and that clearly wasn't properly beta/stress tested.  the idea that it's bernie's fault, rather than shadow inc.'s (or the iowa democratic party for not properly vetting them or the app itself) that the app was bad... is crazy.

the real problem is likely that the political consulting world is full of grifters who aren't particularly  competent but who know the right people and keep hiring each other because of their personal connections.

of course its not buttigieg's fault either, but the idea that any of the candidates are to blame is silly.

[Badger]

Can't wait until Buttigieg is declared winner and gets the media attention he deserved, so he can fundraise 10s of millions off his victory and move into NH ...

Great. With any luck he'll be able to make that announcement before super Tuesday.

[BlueSwan]

Chalian noted something interesting on CNN just now:

It was actually Bernie Sanders who emphasized to change to a more "modern" reporting system after 2016, which led the Iowa Dem. Party to purchase this app.

So it seems the IA Dems + Bernie are to blame the most for this fail, Buttigieg certainly the least ...

Ouch.

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://twitter.com/latimes/status/1224673679726075905

[Xing]

Wait, people actually think that Sanders is to blame for this? JFC.

[Tender Branson]

The IA Dem. Party should have used Clarity Election reporting systems, which is used by a lot of states in the US, incl. Iowa:

https://www.scytl.com/en/customers/state-of-iowa/

https://www.scytl.com/en/customers/us-elections/

https://www.scytl.com/en/election-types/political-party-elections/

[Diabolical Materialism]

People who worked on the Clinton campaign need to be barred from any employment for the next five years to get their sh1t together

[Velasco]

Chalian noted something interesting on CNN just now:

It was actually Bernie Sanders who emphasized to change to a more "modern" reporting system after 2016, which led the Iowa Dem. Party to purchase this app.

So it seems the IA Dems + Bernie are to blame the most for this fail, Buttigieg certainly the least ...

You can't blame Bernie, because the modernization of reporting systems is a rightful demand and makes sense. The electoral process is not conducted by Bernie supporters, unless the party's organization has been coopted by 'radical socialists' and I haven't noticed. It's the party establishment the one who has failed miserably. Hopefully this fiasco will provoke a revolution in the Democratic base and Bernie supporters will take the Winter Palace in St Petersburg (sorry, I meant the White House in Washington)

[Vaccinated Russian Bear]

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1224695374704562176

[Penn_Quaker_Girl]

https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1224695374704562176

In terms of specials, TX-28 was def a blown opportunity for the Democrats.  

[BlueSwan]

It is absolutely laughable to intimate or state that Sanders is to blame for this catastrophe when he and his campaign had absolutely no authority or control over any of the implementation of the new process. It's like blaming a property inspector for finding cracks in the foundation!

You should be less quick to point fingers at other candidates who had nothing to do with this app, when Sanders people seemingly were the ones who wanted an app in the first place. Obviously the responsibilityof the app actually working falls on none of the candidates but on the democratic party in Iowa and the developer.

[Arizona Iced Tea]

Republican vote 99% in all but 1 precinct reporting
Democratic  vote ...

[BlueSwan]

Chalian noted something interesting on CNN just now:

It was actually Bernie Sanders who emphasized to change to a more "modern" reporting system after 2016, which led the Iowa Dem. Party to purchase this app.

So it seems the IA Dems + Bernie are to blame the most for this fail, Buttigieg certainly the least ...

You can't blame Bernie, because the modernization of reporting systems is a rightful demand and makes sense. The electoral process is not conducted by Bernie supporters, unless the party's organization has been coopted by 'radical socialists' and I haven't noticed. It's the party establishment the one who has failed miserably. Hopefully this fiasco will provoke a revolution in the Democratic base and Bernie supporters will take the Winter Palace in St Petersburg (sorry, I meant the White House in Washington)

Nobody is blaming Bernie for f**ks sake. It was the BernieBros who were quick to cook up some Buttigieg conspiracy theory.

[Fmr. Pres. Duke]

I am not entirely surprised that turnout was not above 2016. It's just hard to get excited about any of these candidates. I'm not sure I would go out in the dead of night and in the freezing cold to caucus for any of them.