Coronavirus & 2020

[Ogre Mage]

I have to say I was very worried about Bidens chances a week ago, feeling a lot better now. I think by nov people will be clamouring for a competent, serious president.

He really has gotten his s*** together over these past few weeks. His first primary victory in South Carolina, thirty years in the making, seems to have rejuvenated more than just his campaign.

So Trump says he was tested for coronavirus but was very vague about when to expect the results.
What's the chance he already knows he's positive but is just trying to hide his illness as long as possible, like most elderly authoritarian leaders?

The second I heard that he got tested I knew that the result would be nothing other than negative, regardless of whether that is actually the true result or not. So, your suspicion is very likely.

Goodness gracious ... so is the guy supposed to get the virus and die? No other option is good for you?

He doesn’t get tested, despite no symptoms? You criticize him for being reckless and dangerous.

He gets tested and his doctors report negative? You suggest it’s a lie / cover-up.

What is he supposed to do then?

Fat Nixon could stop lying, but he never will.  He's made over 15,400 false statements over the course of his presidency.  115 of those false statements came over the last two weeks of February 2020.  With regards to the coronavirus specifically, he has made false statements about the infection rate, the death rate, that anyone who wanted a test can get one (lol), that the virus was Democratic hoax, that insurance companies would cover treatment for the coronavirus and so much else.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/16/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/09/politics/fact-check-trump-false-claims-february/index.html

Only a complete fool would believe the statements coming from this WHITE House.

[It’s so Joever]

This alone will cause a landslide election, you heard it here first.

[Calthrina950]

This alone will cause a landslide election, you heard it here first.

We haven't had a landslide in 36 years. The Coronavirus outbreak might prove itself to be the realigning event which some on this forum have speculated about in recent years.

[Dr Oz Lost Party!]

The public 55-60% will unite behind Trump during this. His approval will be in the 50s all year.

You've said that the public would rally around Trump for the past 12 crises.

[Hammy]

This alone will cause a landslide election, you heard it here first.

Yes, but in whose favor? If there's a massive turnout reduction from widespread fear/lockdowns, it certainly wont be Trump supporters staying home.

[It’s so Joever]

This alone will cause a landslide election, you heard it here first.

Yes, but in whose favor? If there's a massive turnout reduction from widespread fear/lockdowns, it certainly wont be Trump supporters staying home.

If the virus is still around in such a high number by then, hundreds of thousands of Americans will be dead. Trust me, not many people will be voting for Trump once their granny (who probably was Trump’s base) dies.

[cwt]

This alone will cause a landslide election, you heard it here first.

Yes, but in whose favor? If there's a massive turnout reduction from widespread fear/lockdowns, it certainly wont be Trump supporters staying home.

If the virus is still around in such a high number by then, hundreds of thousands of Americans will be dead. Trust me, not many people will be voting for Trump once their granny (who probably was Trump’s base) dies.

And if the virus is that bad, then most of the hundreds of thousands that didn't die will have already caught it and recovered by November. I just don't see this affecting turnout seven months from now. I could be wrong, of course.

[indietraveler]

With interest rates going to near zero now we're probably in for another crazy week with the markets. Trump's continued call for interest rate cuts should be noted and remembered.

[NOVA Green]

Can whomever posted the uber-sized graphic please self-correct because it is blowing my eyeballs out.

Got a few West Coast updates, but will need to step out to have a smoke before the National Guard Convoys start patrolling my neighborhood....

[MIKESOWELL]

The public 55-60% will unite behind Trump during this. His approval will be in the 50s all year.

LMAO

Just wait and see. Democrats chances at the election are vanishing by the day. Country doesn't want politics during this which favors the incumbent.

do you wanna bet dude? Trump's approval will go down, not up.

It's already going up. It was down to 46 in Rasmussen now it's back up to 49. It will get into the 50s next week with the ramping up of testing and the deal making today.

I simple dont know. Do we have any precedent on how Americans react after a pandemic?

What happened after 1918?

Incumbency fatigue is a big factor in US politics, but pandemics in an election year are extremely rare.

Wilson wasn't on the ballot in 1920, but the GOP tsunami was a historic rebuke of Wilson largely fueled by war fatigue and the flu pandemic.

[NOVA Green]

Latest Update from Oregon:

Not only has DEM GOV Kate Brown declared a State of Emergency, to combat the Coronavirus, but it has increasingly expanded and is now hitting places close to home in downstate Oregon.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/oregon/articles/2020-03-08/oregon-declares-state-of-emergency-to-fight-new-coronavirus

Just today...

https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-coronavirus-live-updates-march-16-bar-restaurants-closures-cases/

I was a little tipsy chatting with my wife last Night, and positing that maybe we should buy a gun for self-protection, when increasingly stories are floating around about desperate hoarders are threatening people at Grocery Stores for the last supplies of TP and certain canned goods.

Not a gun fan, but also not a hater for ownership for a Shotgun to chase off Bears or Cougars, nor having a 22 "Deer Hunter" style Rifle for target shooting, let alone an 9 MM for target shooting or possibly household defense.

She talked me down today, but when I heard last week from a co-worker from Lebanon OR...the story from Sweet Home, Oregon (Old Mill Town and now Tweaker Central (We call them crackheads in OR when they hit the pipe on the White Dope, even though we know many of them by name and families over the years), when somebody got jacked at knife-point for the last large bundle of TP, we have a major problem going on here....

Fine....we go shopping this past weekend and aisles are cleaned out for all sorts of products in all stores, from canned goods, to fresh meat, to produce, to cleaning supplies wiped out of the aisles....

Meanwhile, the schools are shut down in OR until at least 3/31, we had (10) cases hit right down the road in a Veterans Home with a huge number of residents and workers that have extensive local contact networks.

Although the giant Tech Factory is not closed down, those of us who are contract workers still need to report to work to support the Factories and the Testing Facilities, although the Fortune 100 workers are allowed to "work remotely", and now we need to practice "social distancing".

There are multiple instances in this tight-knit downstate OR giant MFG plant, where folks are potentially exposed and we are still awaiting testing results, and wondering which of our fellow co-workers might test posititive, while meanwhile we got to keep a positive face to keep the factories and labs running.....

This is not a joke.... we don't yet have a "confirmed" result at a 3.5k+ MFG Facility, but we all know it's there, but the bosses won't shut down the Factory until they know they get their bailout, while meanwhile the Tech Stocks have been collapsing for awhile, while our Global Supply Chain has been heavily impacted by shutting down jobs from our Tech Plant and shifting them overseas as part of a "Global Race to the Bottom"....

[Yoda]

Possible. Unless there is a big-time, Hurricane-Katrina style mess, these natural crises often help the sitting President. It gives him a reason to appear on TV, answer questions, flex his authority and desire to help people, and just basically show off his presidential-ness.

The predictions in the early pages of this thread are HILARIOUS. I know hindsight is 20/20, but imagine thinking that any serious crisis could ever make Trump look presidential. He's made a complete fool of himself and spouted lies every time he opens his mouth on this issue, as usual.

[NOVA Green]

They shut down the entire Plant Today, sending virtually everybody home at least through the end of March (and possibly quite longer).

The few exceptions are in the World-Class Clean-rooms, which are arguably some of the safest work environments in the world (within the Fabs).

As a Sup had to walk the line and deliver the message to the rank and file, which was something we were hoping was not going to happen, but I was prepping my fellow workers to be prepared for....

Contrary to popular stereotypes, the Tech Sector in Oregon does not consist of a bunch of College Educated Geeks sitting their in some sort of HBO "Silicon Valley" Sit-Com, but rather a ton of skilled manufacturing workers, many of whom learned their traded when the Timber Mills shut down.

The MNCs increasingly use sub-contract labor to fulfill their needs as many of our MFG lines are being shipped overseas, and many of the line workers and technicians are barely living above Oregon MIN WAGE, within an area where the Cost of Living (Rent) has gone up dramatically while our wages are stagnent.

Now we are shut down for an indefinite period of time, forced to file for unemployment benefits where there may or may not be a waiver on a waiting week, forced furloughed onto the dole making roughly 65% or less of our wages, while still struggling to pay rent.

Needless to say, we are not all identical when it comes to partisan political affiliation, world views, etc....

WE NEED AN IMMEDIATE BAILOUT NOW!!!

We are tired of the bailouts going to Big Business every time the economy crashes, we all get that this is Medical Emergency... meanwhile from the perspective of many of us it looks like although the State Gvt is trying to handle the situation, the Federal Gvt isn't doing crap to cover our expenses when we are simply performing our patriotic duty and got our plant closed (through no fault of our own) because of a State and Federal Emergency Situation....

[Virginiá]

Imagine watching the economy implode with some of the worst stock market drops since the depression and quarterly growth forecasts -6% to -10% and thinking "Donald Trump's chances are definitely strengthening by the day"

Once the pandemic fear eases and all people are left with is a smouldering pile of ruin where the economy used to be, people are going to be pissed off, and that is never good for the incumbent.

[Non Swing Voter]

Possible. Unless there is a big-time, Hurricane-Katrina style mess, these natural crises often help the sitting President. It gives him a reason to appear on TV, answer questions, flex his authority and desire to help people, and just basically show off his presidential-ness.

The predictions in the early pages of this thread are HILARIOUS. I know hindsight is 20/20, but imagine thinking that any serious crisis could ever make Trump look presidential. He's made a complete fool of himself and spouted lies every time he opens his mouth on this issue, as usual.

yeah, when times are good people are willing to take a chance on a reality show moron, but now his complete ineptitude is on full display. 

[T'Chenka]

Imagine watching the economy implode with some of the worst stock market drops since the depression and quarterly growth forecasts -6% to -10% and thinking "Donald Trump's chances are definitely strengthening by the day"

Once the pandemic fear eases and all people are left with is a smouldering pile of ruin where the economy used to be, people are going to be pissed off, and that is never good for the incumbent.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Pandemic was the October surprise. 2004 was the Bin Laden tape, 2008 was the Great Recession,  2012 was the Romney 47 percent comment, 2016 was the Comey letter about Hilary, now Pandemic. As a result, depressed turnout among college students, doomed Bernie's chance. That's why we got polls not corresponding to the actual ST results.

Bloomberg polls was nowhere near what they were supposed to be either

[T'Chenka]

The pandemic is about to move on Trump like a b___h. It might even offer to buy him furniture.

[Interlocutor is just not there yet]

Pandemic was the October surprise. 2004 was the Bin Laden tape, 2008 was the Great Recession,  2012 was the Romney 47 percent comment, 2016 was the Comey letter about Hilary, now Pandemic. As a result, depressed turnout among college students, doomed Bernie's chance. That's why we got polls not corresponding to the actual ST results.

Bloomberg polls was nowhere near what they were supposed to be either

Eagerly anticipating the next episode of "Olawakandi's Wacky World of Pre-October & October Surprises"