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« Reply #2050 on: January 30, 2022, 03:23:45 PM »

How bad does the PSD performance have to be for Rio to lose the leadership?

I think if it's not very very close, he has to go.
Do you mean "very very close" between the two parties, or between the two blocs? I expect you mean the former, but I want to be sure.
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« Reply #2051 on: January 30, 2022, 03:23:54 PM »

How bad does the PSD performance have to be for Rio to lose the leadership?

I think if it's not very very close, he has to go.

Yeah, it's over for him.
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« Reply #2052 on: January 30, 2022, 03:25:45 PM »

Praying for a PS majority. Costa deserves it.

If gets a majority, he will have to face a lot of things and he will not have scapegoats.
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« Reply #2053 on: January 30, 2022, 03:26:11 PM »

Looking at the results so far, a PS majority may not be that impossible. With the results so far, I'm saying the PS could end up at around 41% and the PSD at 28%.
how often are exit polls wrong or right?
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« Reply #2054 on: January 30, 2022, 03:26:11 PM »

How bad does the PSD performance have to be for Rio to lose the leadership?

I think if it's not very very close, he has to go.
Do you mean "very very close" between the two parties, or between the two blocs? I expect you mean the former, but I want to be sure.

I meant parties. But he's out for sure after this.
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« Reply #2055 on: January 30, 2022, 03:27:24 PM »

So far no foreign vote. Do they usually lean Right or lean Left?
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« Reply #2056 on: January 30, 2022, 03:29:04 PM »

So far PS is on track to be a bit above 41 and PSD on track to be around 27.5.  Surprisingly large gap. CHEGA and IL doing well must be part of the reason.
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« Reply #2057 on: January 30, 2022, 03:29:08 PM »

Results from most rural areas are in. Clear cannibalization of the BE and CDU vote by PS.
53,98% reported
PS 43,27% (+5,12)
PSD 31,61% (-0,40)
CH 7,49% (+6,47)
BE 3,13% (-4,42)
CDU 3,67% (-1,44)
IL 2,52% (+2,02)
CDS 1,89% (-2,88)
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« Reply #2058 on: January 30, 2022, 03:32:04 PM »

Huh, the exit polls are pretty good for Costa. And the early returns are even better. It really seems that his repeated claims that it was only a choice between him and Rio have been pretty successful in polarizing the electorate and doing so in the PS's favour. CHEGA may well be the only minor party to cross 5% which is pretty stunning.

Now I mostly wonder if Costa will get his absolute majority he was asking so loud for.
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« Reply #2059 on: January 30, 2022, 03:35:01 PM »

So far no foreign vote. Do they usually lean Right or lean Left?
European expats lean left while the rest lean right. Doesn’t matter though as PS and PSD will divide the expat seats equally 2 each.
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« Reply #2060 on: January 30, 2022, 03:37:27 PM »

Results from most rural areas are in. Clear cannibalization of the BE and CDU vote by PS.
53,98% reported
PS 43,27% (+5,12)
PSD 31,61% (-0,40)
CH 7,49% (+6,47)
BE 3,13% (-4,42)
CDU 3,67% (-1,44)
IL 2,52% (+2,02)
CDS 1,89% (-2,88)


For the PSD, you can add the PSD/CDS coalitions in Azores and Madeira.
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« Reply #2061 on: January 30, 2022, 03:39:27 PM »

Results from most rural areas are in. Clear cannibalization of the BE and CDU vote by PS.
53,98% reported
PS 43,27% (+5,12)
PSD 31,61% (-0,40)
CH 7,49% (+6,47)
BE 3,13% (-4,42)
CDU 3,67% (-1,44)
IL 2,52% (+2,02)
CDS 1,89% (-2,88)


For the PSD, you can add the PSD/CDS coalitions in Azores and Madeira.

Ah, did not notice them.  OK the PSD position is not as bad as I thought but still pretty bad.
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« Reply #2062 on: January 30, 2022, 03:39:38 PM »

Huh, the exit polls are pretty good for Costa. And the early returns are even better. It really seems that his repeated claims that it was only a choice between him and Rio have been pretty successful in polarizing the electorate and doing so in the PS's favour. CHEGA may well be the only minor party to cross 5% which is pretty stunning.

Now I mostly wonder if Costa will get his absolute majority he was asking so loud for.
could he be ps choice for there retirement job of president?
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« Reply #2063 on: January 30, 2022, 03:40:55 PM »

It seems the Right-wing vote went up significantly but could not stop as likely PS majority.
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« Reply #2064 on: January 30, 2022, 03:42:04 PM »

So far no foreign vote. Do they usually lean Right or lean Left?
European expats lean left while the rest lean right. Doesn’t matter though as PS and PSD will divide the expat seats equally 2 each.

Admittedly the expat vote outside of Europe is so overwhelmingly right-leaning that PSD/PàF got both of its seats as recently as 2015 (and all previous elections going back up to the Guterres era it seems?). But of course this time the party is much, much weaker so that's not remotely in the cards.
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« Reply #2065 on: January 30, 2022, 03:42:11 PM »

Huh, the exit polls are pretty good for Costa. And the early returns are even better. It really seems that his repeated claims that it was only a choice between him and Rio have been pretty successful in polarizing the electorate and doing so in the PS's favour. CHEGA may well be the only minor party to cross 5% which is pretty stunning.

Now I mostly wonder if Costa will get his absolute majority he was asking so loud for.
could he be ps choice for there retirement job of president?

It depends of how popular he will be by then. Soares did that in 1986 after 2 years as PM with an IMF bailout and was able to win by a 51-49% margin. Cavaco Silva, after 10 years as PM, 8 with a majority, did the same in 1996 and lost to Jorge Sampaio, 46-54%.
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« Reply #2066 on: January 30, 2022, 03:45:00 PM »

It seems the Right-wing vote went up significantly but could not stop as likely PS majority.

Yep, as of right now, but it's still early, the total right is at 44.6%. But, they will probably fall as more urban vote is counted.
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« Reply #2067 on: January 30, 2022, 03:45:51 PM »

It seems the Right-wing vote went up significantly but could not stop as likely PS majority.

The problem for them, but mostly the PSD, is that the D'Hondt system rewards the kind of left-wing unification behind the PS that seems to have taken place, while not favoring a fragmentation of the vote between the right parties.
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« Reply #2068 on: January 30, 2022, 03:49:47 PM »

Looking like a bit of a polling recovery for both PS and (less good) Chega?

Costa is going to get his majority.
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« Reply #2069 on: January 30, 2022, 04:01:31 PM »

CDU will not win a seat in Évora for the first time ever. They’ve held at least 1 seat there since the first free elections in 1976.
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« Reply #2070 on: January 30, 2022, 04:02:20 PM »

Counting so far:

42.4% PS, 19 seats
32.3% PSD, 13
  7.6% CHEGA
  3.7% CDU
  3.6% BE
  3.1% IL
  1.8% CDS
  1.0% PAN
  0.7% Livre
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« Reply #2071 on: January 30, 2022, 04:03:47 PM »

CDU will not win a seat in Évora for the first time ever.. They’ve won at least 1 seat there since the first free elections in 1976.

Everything points to that, and in Beja, CDU will probably hold their seat by just a hair.
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« Reply #2072 on: January 30, 2022, 04:06:25 PM »

PSD is set to lose Viseu district. Only Santana Lopes lost it in 2005.
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« Reply #2073 on: January 30, 2022, 04:09:52 PM »

PSD is set to lose Viseu district. Only Santana Lopes lost it in 2005.
And Bragança is oh so close.
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« Reply #2074 on: January 30, 2022, 04:11:15 PM »

PSD is set to lose Viseu district. Only Santana Lopes lost it in 2005.
And Bragança is oh so close.

So, so close. Vila Real is also neck and neck.
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