Bernie Sanders (Un-)Endorses Cenk Uygur in CA-25 race

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Finally, a substantive rebuttal to my follow-up!

- Whatever my views on Sanders, I've never dabbled much in the "but muh Bernie Bros" schtick, but the stuff Cenk said is pretty horrible.  There's really no equivalency between that and what Cenk said.  Cenk's comments rose to the level of horribleness that it is absolutely legitimate to attack Sanders for not denouncing him after the endorsement fiasco (which, if nothing else, certainly demonstrated horrible judgment on Sanders' part).

- Also, Sanders didn't turn Beto into anything.  Beto turned out to be a well-meaning clown who was hopelessly in over his head and consistently embarrassed himself on national television in the debates.  Even if you view Buttigieg as a trojan horse for Clintonite corporatism (which we obviously disagree on), it's pretty clear that whatever fault Buttigieg may have, being an intellectually vapid empty suit isn't one of them.  

I mean, Sanders folks have certainly tried to brand Pete as that, but it hasn't worked because the difference between Beto and Pete is clear as day to anyone who has heard both men speak, much less someone who has seen them share a debate stage.

* Not gonna deny that. I'm not much of a Cenk guy - I just think that (as I've said before) Democrats should have better judgment on who they decide to legitimize. But as you've said, we're running in circles.

* Very true. Part of that is Pete not being tested by the media/other candidates, and part of that is him being a much better politician than Beto or Kamala. If he was "intellectually vapid", he would be out of the race - if not still languishing at the bottom. While there's a large gap in candidate quality, I do think there's a massive double standard wrt how the media has treated Kamala and Pete.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Well, Ana Kasparian (using an alt account, but it's obviously her) has doxxed Mendoza-Ferrer and posted the personal information of all her family members including her children.

Great job folks.  Reminder that this woman sawx calls a "chaos agent" has literally just been posting clips of Cenk, on his show, which he chose to put on the internet.

It reminds me of a 2016 SNL bit where Trump says the media is being "so unfair" to him "by taking the things I say, and the things I do, and putting them on television."

[Landslide Lyndon]

Ro Khanna also rescinded his endorsement.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Well, Ana Kasparian (using an alt account, but it's obviously her) has doxxed Mendoza-Ferrer and posted the personal information of all her family members including her children.

Great job folks.  Reminder that this woman sawx calls a "chaos agent" has literally just been posting clips of Cenk, on his show, which he chose to put on the internet.

It reminds me of a 2016 SNL bit where Trump says the media is being "so unfair" to him "by taking the things I say, and the things I do, and putting them on television."

Yes, Democrats who spend more time attacking Bernie than Trump (and have pledged not to vote for him under any circumstances) are usually chaos agents.

Or is not being #VoteBlueNoMatterWho okay if it's a leftist you're not voting for?

[JerryArkansas]

Well, Ana Kasparian (using an alt account, but it's obviously her) has doxxed Mendoza-Ferrer and posted the personal information of all her family members including her children.

Great job folks.  Reminder that this woman sawx calls a "chaos agent" has literally just been posting clips of Cenk, on his show, which he chose to put on the internet.

It reminds me of a 2016 SNL bit where Trump says the media is being "so unfair" to him "by taking the things I say, and the things I do, and putting them on television."

Yes, Democrats who spend more time attacking Bernie than Trump (and have pledged not to vote for him) are usually chaos agents.

Or is #VoteBlueNoMatterWho only bad if it's a centrist you're not voting for?

Gotta love ignoring the doxing. 

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Well, Ana Kasparian (using an alt account, but it's obviously her) has doxxed Mendoza-Ferrer and posted the personal information of all her family members including her children.

Great job folks.  Reminder that this woman sawx calls a "chaos agent" has literally just been posting clips of Cenk, on his show, which he chose to put on the internet.

It reminds me of a 2016 SNL bit where Trump says the media is being "so unfair" to him "by taking the things I say, and the things I do, and putting them on television."

Yes, Democrats who spend more time attacking Bernie than Trump (and have pledged not to vote for him) are usually chaos agents.

Or is #VoteBlueNoMatterWho only bad if it's a centrist you're not voting for?

Gotta love ignoring the doxing.  

I'll address it when you address your vicious slander of my character (believe it or not, you can criticize a POC/woman without being racist or sexist) and performative allyship.

(There's also the fact that I was specifically addressed by name too)

[JerryArkansas]

Well, Ana Kasparian (using an alt account, but it's obviously her) has doxxed Mendoza-Ferrer and posted the personal information of all her family members including her children.

Great job folks.  Reminder that this woman sawx calls a "chaos agent" has literally just been posting clips of Cenk, on his show, which he chose to put on the internet.

It reminds me of a 2016 SNL bit where Trump says the media is being "so unfair" to him "by taking the things I say, and the things I do, and putting them on television."

Yes, Democrats who spend more time attacking Bernie than Trump (and have pledged not to vote for him) are usually chaos agents.

Or is #VoteBlueNoMatterWho only bad if it's a centrist you're not voting for?

Gotta love ignoring the doxing. 

Then again, I don't expect it. You never cared about women or POC's agencies in the first place. You care about their obedience to your political beliefs.

Oh damn you're in my head now and know what I think?  Got a real smart guy here.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

Well, Ana Kasparian (using an alt account, but it's obviously her) has doxxed Mendoza-Ferrer and posted the personal information of all her family members including her children.

Great job folks.  Reminder that this woman sawx calls a "chaos agent" has literally just been posting clips of Cenk, on his show, which he chose to put on the internet.

It reminds me of a 2016 SNL bit where Trump says the media is being "so unfair" to him "by taking the things I say, and the things I do, and putting them on television."

Yes, Democrats who spend more time attacking Bernie than Trump (and have pledged not to vote for him) are usually chaos agents.

Or is #VoteBlueNoMatterWho only bad if it's a centrist you're not voting for?

Gotta love ignoring the doxing. 

Then again, I don't expect it. You never cared about women or POC's agencies in the first place. You care about their obedience to your political beliefs.

Oh damn you're in my head now and know what I think?  Got a real smart guy here.

I don't need to know what you think. Your actions say enough.

Any sort of mild criticism of any establishment-leaning candidate who happens to be a woman or a POC is met with accusations of racism and sexism from you. The EMILY's List thing I can actually understand.  While most of the criticism wasn't sexist, the quip about "emphasizing social issues" was stupid at best and sexist at worst. I've reflected on it since then and changed my views.

But the whole Lujan thing is based off of a claim you haven't presented proof of. Here's the "racist post", for the peanut gallery. A fairly innocuous post criticizing Lujan for flip-flopping on Ilhan Omar's 9/11 comments, as you can see. Everything was going well until you decided to respond with an irrelevant non-sequitur about how Lujan's opponent also flip-flopped one time, and my "silence" on that makes me a racist. You've presented no proof of Oliver flip-flopping on Omar (let alone any issue), and shown nothing to support your assertion. As far as I know, your intentions were to slander me here, since literally nothing else makes sense.

Of course, when Peter Daou switches sides after 3 years, he's a grifter who's just hopping on the socialist train for attention/clicks. The same insult you accused me of being racist, for an evolution over 3 years (as opposed to a few hours), apparently loses its racism when it comes out of your mouth. He couldn't just be a leftist blinded by his strong loyalties to a close friend and former boss. He couldn't actually believe what he was saying. The root issue is that Peter Daou has lost his credibility in your eyes because he disagrees with your beliefs. You might as well be calling him a house slave at this point, since it's clearly what you think he is.

[JerryArkansas]

Well, Ana Kasparian (using an alt account, but it's obviously her) has doxxed Mendoza-Ferrer and posted the personal information of all her family members including her children.

Great job folks.  Reminder that this woman sawx calls a "chaos agent" has literally just been posting clips of Cenk, on his show, which he chose to put on the internet.

It reminds me of a 2016 SNL bit where Trump says the media is being "so unfair" to him "by taking the things I say, and the things I do, and putting them on television."

Yes, Democrats who spend more time attacking Bernie than Trump (and have pledged not to vote for him) are usually chaos agents.

Or is #VoteBlueNoMatterWho only bad if it's a centrist you're not voting for?

Gotta love ignoring the doxing. 

Then again, I don't expect it. You never cared about women or POC's agencies in the first place. You care about their obedience to your political beliefs.

Oh damn you're in my head now and know what I think?  Got a real smart guy here.

I don't need to know what you think. Your actions say enough.

Any sort of mild criticism of any establishment-leaning candidate who happens to be a woman or a POC is met with accusations of racism and sexism from you. The EMILY's List thing I can actually understand.  While most of the criticism wasn't sexist, the quip about "emphasizing social issues" was stupid at best and sexist at worst. I've reflected on it since then and changed my views.

But the whole Lujan thing is based off of a claim you haven't presented proof of. Here's the "racist post", for the peanut gallery. A fairly innocuous post criticizing Lujan for flip-flopping on Ilhan Omar's 9/11 comments, as you can see. Everything was going well until you decided to respond with an irrelevant non-sequitur about how Lujan's opponent also flip-flopped one time, and my "silence" on that makes me a racist. You've presented no proof of Oliver flip-flopping on Omar (let alone any issue), and shown nothing to support your assertion. As far as I know, your intentions were to slander me here, since literally nothing else makes sense.

Of course, when Peter Daou switches sides after 3 years, he's a grifter who's just hopping on the socialist train for attention/clicks. The same insult you accused me of being racist, for an evolution over 3 years (as opposed to a few hours), apparently loses its racism when it comes out of your mouth. He couldn't just be a leftist blinded by his strong loyalties to a close friend and former boss. He couldn't actually believe what he was saying. The root issue is that Peter Daou has lost his credibility in your eyes because he disagrees with your beliefs. You might as well be calling him a house slave at this point, since it's clearly what you think he is.

First, you never said why Lujan  was a grifter, you just decided to throw that term out for no damn reason.  That is why I threw it up as suspect. 
And for Peter Daou, jesus when have I ever said I like him.  He was a grifter in 2015 and he is now.  He goes wherever the wind and money takes him.  Also what the hell is that last line, just dude.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

-snip-

First, you never said why Lujan  was a grifter, you just decided to throw that term out for no damn reason.  That is why I threw it up as suspect.

 

Also strange you want to call the hispanic man a grifter when the white woman you support does the same things he does.  Hmm I wonder why bro.

https://i.ibb.co/hXt3gNw/jerryarbs.png

Shoutouts to the receipts

[JerryArkansas]

First, you never said why Lujan  was a grifter, you just decided to throw that term out for no damn reason.  That is why I threw it up as suspect.

Also strange you want to call the hispanic man a grifter when the white woman you support does the same things he does.  Hmm I wonder why bro.

Shoutouts to the receipts

And?  Didn't answer my point at all.

Also for those who can't read the screenshot, I said

I called you racist because you attack the hispanic man who has done the exact things other you have praised have done.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

First, you never said why Lujan  was a grifter, you just decided to throw that term out for no damn reason.  That is why I threw it up as suspect.

Also strange you want to call the hispanic man a grifter when the white woman you support does the same things he does.  Hmm I wonder why bro.

Shoutouts to the receipts

And?  Didn't answer my point at all.

Also for those who can't read the screenshot, I said

I called you racist because you attack the hispanic man who has done the exact things other you have praised have done.

It disproves your reasoning. It's clear from your past posts that you meant Oliver (who is, incidentally, now out of the race)

And for Peter Daou, jesus when have I ever said I like him.  He was a grifter in 2015 and he is now.  He goes wherever the wind and money takes him.  Also what the hell is that last line, just dude.

Right, because the socialists have all the money and not the billionaires or John Delaney.

[JerryArkansas]

First, you never said why Lujan  was a grifter, you just decided to throw that term out for no damn reason.  That is why I threw it up as suspect.

Also strange you want to call the hispanic man a grifter when the white woman you support does the same things he does.  Hmm I wonder why bro.

Shoutouts to the receipts

And?  Didn't answer my point at all.

Also for those who can't read the screenshot, I said

I called you racist because you attack the hispanic man who has done the exact things other you have praised have done.

Nah. I just called BS. It's clear from your past posts that you meant Oliver.

And for Peter Daou, jesus when have I ever said I like him.  He was a grifter in 2015 and he is now.  He goes wherever the wind and money takes him.  Also what the hell is that last line, just dude.

Right, because the socialists have all the money.

More than one thing can be true at a time in a person thought process.

Also from Bernie fundraising(which I think he should be proud of) they are willing to give money to those who they think will advance the cause, even to ones who sadly are grifting.  They exist in all areas and all ideologies.

[GeneralMacArthur]

sawx is one of the most annoying posters on this site.  He says outrageous things and defends the indefensible, and then when anyone calls him out he redirects the conversation to his personal gripes and posts outrageous hyperbole until the conversation is completely derailed.

In this thread, for instance, he's said that Ana Kasparian doxxing Maria Mendoza-Ferrer's children is OK, because Maria attacked Bernie Sanders on Twitter so she's a "chaos agent" and deserves what she gets.  This is a deplorable stance.  And it is indefensible, which is why he doesn't defend it!

Instead, when he got pushback, he posted a slew of personal gripes about Peter Daou (??) and Maggie Oliver (??) that has nothing to do with this thread, and accusing other posters of "vile slander."  It's purely a distraction tactic by a guy with zero reputation to lose.

[John Dule]

sawx is one of the most annoying posters on this site.  He says outrageous things and defends the indefensible, and then when anyone calls him out he redirects the conversation to his personal gripes and posts outrageous hyperbole until the conversation is completely derailed.

In this thread, for instance, he's said that Ana Kasparian doxxing Maria Mendoza-Ferrer's children is OK, because Maria attacked Bernie Sanders on Twitter so she's a "chaos agent" and deserves what she gets.  This is a deplorable stance.  And it is indefensible, which is why he doesn't defend it!

Instead, when he got pushback, he posted a slew of personal gripes about Peter Daou (??) and Maggie Oliver (??) that has nothing to do with this thread, and accusing other posters of "vile slander."  It's purely a distraction tactic by a guy with zero reputation to lose.

We're reaching Trump-esque levels of projection here.

[GeneralMacArthur]

"Projection" is just what people say when they want to use the world's laziest insult but sound sophisticated while doing it.

Also I challenge you to find one example of where someone was having an argument with me and I completely ignored what they were saying to redirect the conversation into unrelated personal grievances.  Just one.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

sawx is one of the most annoying posters on this site.  He says outrageous things and defends the indefensible, and then when anyone calls him out he redirects the conversation to his personal gripes and posts outrageous hyperbole until the conversation is completely derailed.

In this thread, for instance, he's said that Ana Kasparian doxxing Maria Mendoza-Ferrer's children is OK, because Maria attacked Bernie Sanders on Twitter so she's a "chaos agent" and deserves what she gets.  This is a deplorable stance.  And it is indefensible, which is why he doesn't defend it!

Instead, when he got pushback, he posted a slew of personal gripes about Peter Daou (??) and Maggie Oliver (??) that has nothing to do with this thread, and accusing other posters of "vile slander."  It's purely a distraction tactic by a guy with zero reputation to lose.

So the doxing came after the "chaos agent" comments. If you want me to formally condemn every single bad thing the Bernie people do at your demands, I'm not going to do that. I'm not "defending" anything because I've already said that doxing for political purposes is in bad taste when Briahna Joy Gray doxed armandodkos.

I said Mendoza Ferrer was a chaos agent because she is a chaos agent. There's a difference between your stance of "I hate Bernie and I'll work my ass off to make sure he loses the primary, but if he wins I'll give my all for him to stop Trump" and "I'll never vote for Bernie Sanders under any circumstances". Mendoza Ferrer objectively takes it a step further than you ever could, and would throw this country to Trump if it means stopping a Democrat she doesn't like. I see no difference from her and, say, Tulsi Gabbard or Nina Turner or whichever people of influence won't vote for Biden.

Once again, you know you can't win the argument, so you've resorted to slandering me and putting words in my mouth that are far beyond my character. Notice how I'm much more civil with X and even James Monroe. Monroe may have similar beliefs to you, but he presents them in a respectful, well-constructed manner. "What about the Bernie Bros" may be one part of the argument, but the other parts are well-reasoned, well-constructed rebuttals that I happen to disagree with. Yours and Jerry's haven't been.

You have absolutely no right to judge my posts in any sort of fashion. You're utterly allergic to personal responsibility, constantly blame others on here for your poor choices and actions (you literally said that the first time you slandered me, I had it coming because of my political beliefs), and constantly personally attack any poster who doesn't share your beliefs. Oh, but if they come at you with the same energy you come at everyone else with? You constantly play the victim about how you're being attacked and you're just an innocent person fighting back against the leftward menace. Newsflash: We don't hate you because of your political views. We hate you because you're a cancer on the forum.

[John Dule]

"Projection" is just what people say when they want to use the world's laziest insult but sound sophisticated while doing it.

Also I challenge you to find one example of where someone was having an argument with me and I completely ignored what they were saying to redirect the conversation into unrelated personal grievances.  Just one.

See, this is what I'm talking about. At this very moment, you are derailing this thread to gripe about a personal grievance, all while you're complaining about him doing that very same thing. It's irony on a cosmic scale.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

"Projection" is just what people say when they want to use the world's laziest insult but sound sophisticated while doing it.

Also I challenge you to find one example of where someone was having an argument with me and I completely ignored what they were saying to redirect the conversation into unrelated personal grievances.  Just one.

See, this is what I'm talking about. At this very moment, you are derailing this thread to gripe about a personal grievance, all while you're complaining about him doing that very same thing. It's irony on a cosmic scale.

My favorite part is how I'm the one with a terrible reputation on the board.

[John Dule]

sawx is one of the most annoying posters on this site.  He says outrageous things and defends the indefensible, and then when anyone calls him out he redirects the conversation to his personal gripes and posts outrageous hyperbole until the conversation is completely derailed.

In this thread, for instance, he's said that Ana Kasparian doxxing Maria Mendoza-Ferrer's children is OK, because Maria attacked Bernie Sanders on Twitter so she's a "chaos agent" and deserves what she gets.  This is a deplorable stance.  And it is indefensible, which is why he doesn't defend it!

Instead, when he got pushback, he posted a slew of personal gripes about Peter Daou (??) and Maggie Oliver (??) that has nothing to do with this thread, and accusing other posters of "vile slander."  It's purely a distraction tactic by a guy with zero reputation to lose.

So the doxing came after the "chaos agent" comments. If you want me to formally condemn every single bad thing the Bernie people do at your demands, I'm not going to do that. I'm not "defending" anything because I've already said that doxing for political purposes is in bad taste when Briahna Joy Gray doxed armandodkos.

I said Mendoza Ferrer was a chaos agent because she is a chaos agent. There's a difference between your stance of "I hate Bernie and I'll work my ass off to make sure he loses the primary, but if he wins I'll give my all for him to stop Trump" and "I'll never vote for Bernie Sanders under any circumstances". Mendoza Ferrer objectively takes it a step further than you ever could, and would throw this country to Trump if it means stopping a Democrat she doesn't like. I see no difference from her and, say, Tulsi Gabbard or Nina Turner or whichever people of influence won't vote for Biden.

Once again, you know you can't win the argument, so you've resorted to slandering me and putting words in my mouth that are far beyond my character. Notice how I'm much more civil with X and even James Monroe. Monroe may have similar beliefs to you, but he presents them in a respectful, well-constructed manner. "What about the Bernie Bros" may be one part of the argument, but the other parts are well-reasoned, well-constructed rebuttals that I happen to disagree with. Yours and Jerry's haven't been.

You have absolutely no right to judge my posts in any sort of fashion. You're utterly allergic to personal responsibility, constantly blame others on here for your poor choices and actions (you literally said that the first time you slandered me, I had it coming because of my political beliefs), and constantly personally attack any poster who doesn't share your beliefs. Oh, but if they come at you with the same energy you come at everyone else with? You constantly play the victim about how you're being attacked and you're just an innocent person fighting back against the leftward menace. Newsflash: We don't hate you because of your political views. We hate you because you're a cancer on the forum.

This is exactly what he wants you to do and it's astonishingly unreasonable, even by internet standards.

[GeneralMacArthur]

So the doxing came after the "chaos agent" comments. If you want me to formally condemn every single bad thing the Bernie people do at your demands, I'm not going to do that. I'm not "defending" anything because I've already said that doxing for political purposes is in bad taste when Briahna Joy Gray doxed armandodkos.

The problem is that you'll refuse to say anything when these people do something so bad that even you can't defend it, but then you'll run around defending them and attacking people who call the Sanders campaign "toxic" because of their actions.

"Your movement is toxic because of the deplorable behavior of its members"
"No, my movement is not toxic!  How dare you!"
"OK here's an example.  One of the top media figures supporting your candidate posted information about the children of a Twitter critic, encouraging harassment of those children."
"I don't have to respond to that."
"OK, but that's why your movement is toxic."
"My movement is not toxic!"

I said Mendoza Ferrer was a chaos agent because she is a chaos agent. There's a difference between your stance of "I hate Bernie and I'll work my ass off to make sure he loses the primary, but if he wins I'll give my all for him to stop Trump" and "I'll never vote for Bernie Sanders under any circumstances". Mendoza Ferrer objectively takes it a step further than you ever could, and would throw this country to Trump if it means stopping a Democrat she doesn't like. I see no difference from her and, say, Tulsi Gabbard or Nina Turner or whichever people of influence won't vote for Biden.

I don't know much about Mendoza-Ferrer, can you post any Tweet where she's said she wouldn't support Bernie in the general?  If so, I agree that's horrible.  She doesn't deserve to be doxxed for it though.  And let's not act like that's the reason Ana wants Maria's children harassed.  The reason Ana is doing this is because Maria is digging up clips of Cenk acting like the monster he is, clips that Cenk hoped had been forgotten.

Once again, you know you can't win the argument, so you've resorted to slandering me and putting words in my mouth that are far beyond my character. Notice how I'm much more civil with X and even James Monroe. Monroe may have similar beliefs to you, but he presents them in a respectful, well-constructed manner. "What about the Bernie Bros" may be one part of the argument, but the other parts are well-reasoned, well-constructed rebuttals that I happen to disagree with. Yours and Jerry's haven't been.

You have absolutely no right to judge my posts in any sort of fashion. You're utterly allergic to personal responsibility, constantly blame others on here for your poor choices and actions (you literally said that the first time you slandered me, I had it coming because of my political beliefs), and constantly personally attack any poster who doesn't share your beliefs. Oh, but if they come at you with the same energy you come at everyone else with? You constantly play the victim about how you're being attacked and you're just an innocent person fighting back against the leftward menace. Newsflash: We don't hate you because of your political views. We hate you because you're a cancer on the forum.

You act like I just go around here calling people stupid when if you look at my post history, the vast majority of my posts are long, thorough attempts at persuasion, without any personal attacks.

Also, because every time you post this lie I am going to respond to it, I never "slandered" you.  It is not "slandering" someone to paraphrase them.  If you think the paraphrasing is in accurate, you say so (as I've done in this post) rather than losing your mind and calling your lawyer.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

"Projection" is just what people say when they want to use the world's laziest insult but sound sophisticated while doing it.

Also I challenge you to find one example of where someone was having an argument with me and I completely ignored what they were saying to redirect the conversation into unrelated personal grievances.  Just one.

Well, Ana Kasparian (using an alt account, but it's obviously her) has doxxed Mendoza-Ferrer and posted the personal information of all her family members including her children.

Great job folks.  Reminder that this woman sawx calls a "chaos agent" has literally just been posting clips of Cenk, on his show, which he chose to put on the internet.

It reminds me of a 2016 SNL bit where Trump says the media is being "so unfair" to him "by taking the things I say, and the things I do, and putting them on television."

Yes, Democrats who spend more time attacking Bernie than Trump (and have pledged not to vote for him under any circumstances) are usually chaos agents.

Or is not being #VoteBlueNoMatterWho okay if it's a leftist you're not voting for?

sawx is one of the most annoying posters on this site.  He says outrageous things and defends the indefensible, and then when anyone calls him out he redirects the conversation to his personal gripes and posts outrageous hyperbole until the conversation is completely derailed.

Please seek professional help immediately.

(Also I can't get a tweet, she's understandably protected her account because of the doxing)

[GeneralMacArthur]

"Projection" is just what people say when they want to use the world's laziest insult but sound sophisticated while doing it.

Also I challenge you to find one example of where someone was having an argument with me and I completely ignored what they were saying to redirect the conversation into unrelated personal grievances.  Just one.

See, this is what I'm talking about. At this very moment, you are derailing this thread to gripe about a personal grievance, all while you're complaining about him doing that very same thing. It's irony on a cosmic scale.

No, the subject of the thread had already changed to be about sawx's personal grievances with other users.  I wish it hadn't, but sawx is very successful at derailing threads by leveling hyperbolic accusations at other users.  Look at the ten posts before mine.

[Anti Democrat Democrat Club]

https://twitter.com/ChristyforCA25/status/1217820375494512646

**** it, Cenk for Congress. If I want chaos agents and divisive agitators in my government, I might as well take the ones that agree with me.

I've followed Katie Hill's career, and Christy Smith is no Katie Hill. I thought she was better than Caforio, and she proved me right in her short career. Out of all the swing state freshmen, she was one of the two best (and the other's my Congressman). More importantly, while out of Washington, she's used her voice and platform to heal. She clearly does privately support Warren, but is much more conciliatory, expressing her frustration with Bernie's supporters.

This... this is beyond the pale. There's a massive difference between "Hey Bernie cultists, can you not be divisive?" and "Bernie has no class or substance." There's even a starker difference between "Biden and I wouldn't be in the same party in another country" and "Bernie has no class or substance". It sucks that I'm going to have to go back and support a man with so many warts, but our Congresspeople shouldn't be platforming divisive screeds bashing another candidate, let alone posting their own.

[Chancellor Tanterterg]

https://twitter.com/ChristyforCA25/status/1217820375494512646

**** it, Cenk for Congress. If I want chaos agents and divisive agitators in my government, I might as well take the ones that agree with me.

I've followed Katie Hill's career, and Christy Smith is no Katie Hill. I thought she was better than Caforio, and she proved me right in her short career. Out of all the swing state freshmen, she was one of the two best (and the other's my Congressman). More importantly, while out of Washington, she's used her voice and platform to heal. She clearly does privately support Warren, but is much more conciliatory, expressing her frustration with Bernie's supporters.

This... this is beyond the pale. There's a massive difference between "Hey Bernie cultists, can you not be divisive?" and "Bernie has no class or substance." There's even a starker difference between "Biden and I wouldn't be in the same party in another country" and "Bernie has no class or substance". It sucks that I'm going to have to go back and support a man with so many warts, but our Congresspeople shouldn't be platforming divisive screeds bashing another candidate, let alone posting their own.

Dude, no offense or anything, but part of having Bernie being taken seriously is that people are gonna come at him much harder.  You'll give yourself an ulcer if you get this riled up over every tweet implicitly criticizing him.  

Tbh, it remains to be seen whether Sanders or Warren was lying.  My guess is Bernie said it in what was understood to be an off-record conversation, but Warren strategically leaked it as a Hail Mary hoping to create a "moment" during the debate.  But the truth is that we don't know and neither Sanders supporters nor Warren supporters should be talking about the incident with the level of certainty they have been.  Sometimes politicians lie, even ones we may really like.  

Beyond which, Sanders endorsed frigging Cenk, a misogynistic, genocide-denying two-bit con artist.  In other words, he tried to f*** over Smith for no discernible reason and arguably made it harder for Democrats to hold the seat in the process.  

I think I'm pretty good about not doing the whole "muh evulz Bernie Bros" thing some folks here do, but Bernie really started this.  Christy Smith doesn't owe him jack and frankly, I wouldn't have blamed her for attacking him using much stronger language than she did here.  

You've said a few times "we [Sanders supporters] tend not to forget" or words to that effect.  Well, that sort of mentality cuts both ways.  Folks tend not to forget when Bernie screws them over either, if you see my point.