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« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2019, 03:04:02 AM »

As for the general election, he would be the underdog to either Knight or Garcia

No, he would not. No Democrat is going to lose this district.

Someone as far left as Cenk wouldnt win in VA-10 let alone CA-25. If he was a general election candidate he would lose by 9-10 points in the popular vote and get 176 EV at best
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« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2019, 03:04:47 AM »

For what it's worth, I doubt this actually ends up making him the favorite in the primary. This seat isn't exactly a hyper-progressive stronghold.

Him getting an endorsement from one of the 3 leading candidates for President I would say does make him the favorite in the primary because its not like Christy Smith has good name recognition either so that factor probably makes him the favorite over Smith unless Biden endorses Smith which then would make her the favorite.

As for the general election, he would be the underdog to either Knight or Garcia

lolwut?

Smith's district overlaps much of CA-25 and she ran there for two straight election cycles. Her name recognition is certainly better than an obscure youtube political commentator with no ties to the district.
Not to mention that you give waaaaaaaaay too much importance on endorsements. Do you really think that voters will now massively defect to Uygur because Sanders endorsed him?
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« Reply #27 on: December 13, 2019, 03:13:03 AM »

For what it's worth, I doubt this actually ends up making him the favorite in the primary. This seat isn't exactly a hyper-progressive stronghold.

Him getting an endorsement from one of the 3 leading candidates for President I would say does make him the favorite in the primary because its not like Christy Smith has good name recognition either so that factor probably makes him the favorite over Smith unless Biden endorses Smith which then would make her the favorite.

As for the general election, he would be the underdog to either Knight or Garcia

lolwut?

Smith's district overlaps much of CA-25 and she ran there for two straight election cycles. Her name recognition is certainly better than an obscure youtube political commentator with no ties to the district.
Not to mention that you give waaaaaaaaay too much importance on endorsements. Do you really think that voters will now massively defect to Uygur because Sanders endorsed him?

I dislike Cenk a lot but he isnt obscure:
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As of September 2017, the program's YouTube channel averages a daily hit count of 2 million views per day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Turks

and TYT I believe is the online news political show as well so it really isnt obsure



Also barely anyone knows who their state legislator so being a state legislator doesnt give her name-recognition advantage over a guy who was endorsed by Bernie. In Congressional elections with no incumbent , a major Presidential candidate endorsement is a huge huge advantage. No I dont think much voters will defect but the fact is I dont think most Democrats have even come close to making up their minds yet and its quite possible most people in that district havent even paid attention to the special election race yet.


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« Reply #28 on: December 13, 2019, 03:13:03 AM »

As for the general election, he would be the underdog to either Knight or Garcia

No, he would not. No Democrat is going to lose this district.

Someone as far left as Cenk wouldnt win in VA-10 let alone CA-25. If he was a general election candidate he would lose by 9-10 points in the popular vote and get 176 EV at best

Lmao, literally anyone with a D next to their name would win in VA-10.

Please get real. You’re not going to see hordes of Clinton voters/partisan Democrats vote for a Republican for Congress these days because of the "poor candidate quality" of the Democrat or because he’s "too far left."

(That said, I’d be very surprised if he won the primary.)
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« Reply #29 on: December 13, 2019, 03:14:56 AM »

As for the general election, he would be the underdog to either Knight or Garcia

No, he would not. No Democrat is going to lose this district.

Someone as far left as Cenk wouldnt win in VA-10 let alone CA-25. If he was a general election candidate he would lose by 9-10 points in the popular vote and get 176 EV at best

Lmao, literally anyone with a D next to their name would win in VA-10.

Please get real. You’re not going to see hordes of Clinton voters/partisan Democrats vote for a Republican for Congress these days because of the "poor candidate quality" of the Democrat or because he’s "too far left."

IA-04 is far more partisan than VA-10 and Steve King came extremely close to losing it

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« Reply #30 on: December 13, 2019, 03:23:05 AM »

IA-04 is far more partisan than VA-10 and Steve King came extremely close to losing it

Steve King was also a Republican running in a massive Democratic wave year. Democratic districts/states are much less likely to send a Republican to Congress than Republican-leaning districts/states are to send a Democrat to Congress, even if the Democrat is obviously trash (case in point: NJ-SEN). I’m not saying that’s a good or bad thing, but comparing IA-04 to VA-10 is misleading.
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« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2019, 03:27:35 AM »

I dislike Cenk a lot but he isnt obscure:
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As of September 2017, the program's YouTube channel averages a daily hit count of 2 million views per day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Turks

and TYT I believe is the online news political show as well so it really isnt obsure


Also barely anyone knows who their state legislator so being a state legislator doesnt give her name-recognition advantage over a guy who was endorsed by Bernie. In Congressional elections with no incumbent , a major Presidential candidate endorsement is a huge huge advantage. No I dont think much voters will defect but the fact is I dont think most Democrats have even come close to making up their minds yet and its quite possible most people in that district havent even paid attention to the special election race yet.

Just because we political junkies know who he is that doesn't mean that the average voter has the slightest idea. Clicks and views don't mean votes. And as you see he isn't even popular or well-liked among Sanders supporters, his would-be base.

And again, endorsements mean very little these days. Just ask Luther Strange and Renee Ellmers.
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« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2019, 03:32:40 AM »

I dislike Cenk a lot but he isnt obscure:
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As of September 2017, the program's YouTube channel averages a daily hit count of 2 million views per day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Turks

and TYT I believe is the online news political show as well so it really isnt obsure


Also barely anyone knows who their state legislator so being a state legislator doesnt give her name-recognition advantage over a guy who was endorsed by Bernie. In Congressional elections with no incumbent , a major Presidential candidate endorsement is a huge huge advantage. No I dont think much voters will defect but the fact is I dont think most Democrats have even come close to making up their minds yet and its quite possible most people in that district havent even paid attention to the special election race yet.

Just because we political junkies know who he is that doesn't mean that the average has the slightest idea. Clicks and views don't mean votes. And as you see he isn't even popular or well-liked among Sanders supporters, his would-be base.

And again, endorsements mean very little these days. Just ask Luther Strange and Renee Ellmers.

You could say the same about Christy Smith , believe me most state legislators are unknown as well by the vast majority of the public.  As for your examples well look at Brian Kemp, Ron DeSantis, Mark Sanford losing, stopped Blankeship surge in WV on an on.


Depends on the endorsement your talking about, from national figures with lots of name recognition yes they do especially in a race with two unknowns as people may not know Cenk but they will be like guy endorsed by Bernie or some random state legislator.



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« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2019, 03:58:55 AM »

I dislike Cenk a lot but he isnt obscure:
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As of September 2017, the program's YouTube channel averages a daily hit count of 2 million views per day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Young_Turks

and TYT I believe is the online news political show as well so it really isnt obsure


Also barely anyone knows who their state legislator so being a state legislator doesnt give her name-recognition advantage over a guy who was endorsed by Bernie. In Congressional elections with no incumbent , a major Presidential candidate endorsement is a huge huge advantage. No I dont think much voters will defect but the fact is I dont think most Democrats have even come close to making up their minds yet and its quite possible most people in that district havent even paid attention to the special election race yet.

Just because we political junkies know who he is that doesn't mean that the average has the slightest idea. Clicks and views don't mean votes. And as you see he isn't even popular or well-liked among Sanders supporters, his would-be base.

And again, endorsements mean very little these days. Just ask Luther Strange and Renee Ellmers.

You could say the same about Christy Smith , believe me most state legislators are unknown as well by the vast majority of the public.  As for your examples well look at Brian Kemp, Ron DeSantis, Mark Sanford losing, stopped Blankeship surge in WV on an on.


Depends on the endorsement your talking about, from national figures with lots of name recognition yes they do especially in a race with two unknowns as people may not know Cenk but they will be like guy endorsed by Bernie or some random state legislator.

But nobody is saying that Smith is the favorite because Feinstein and Newsom endorsed her, like you say about Cenk Uygur. She is the favorite because she is a proven vote-getter who knows her district and has the resources to win.

I acknowledge that die-hard Sanders cultists, who would vote for a ham sandwich if their dear leader endorsed it, could make Cenk a player. But again, as you see they dislike him almost as much as the average Democratic voter.

And I hope that Democratic voters who saw their former congresswoman fall victim of blatant misogynism will reject someone who said that women are inferior beings because they refused to have sex with him.
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« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2019, 03:59:46 AM »
« Edited: December 13, 2019, 10:27:22 AM by PA is Lean D »

The good news is that the Berniecrats don't have a good track record with winning primaries.

That being said: I really hope Obama gets in this race and goes all in for Smith.
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« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2019, 09:03:30 AM »

As for the general election, he would be the underdog to either Knight or Garcia

No, he would not. No Democrat is going to lose this district.

Someone as far left as Cenk wouldnt win in VA-10 let alone CA-25. If he was a general election candidate he would lose by 9-10 points in the popular vote and get 176 EV at best

A literal democratic socialist represents part of VA-10 in the House of Delegates. It’s not going to vote Republican no matter how Far left the Democratic candidate turns out to be, and the same would largely be true of CA-25. Even Katie Hill was fairly progressive for a Democratic challenger in a marginal seat.
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« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2019, 09:12:23 AM »

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« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2019, 10:22:37 AM »

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« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2019, 10:48:32 AM »

Every time I feel myself warming up to Sanders, he does something like this.
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« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2019, 01:46:27 PM »

Every time I feel myself warming up to Sanders, he does something like this.

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« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2019, 01:59:14 PM »

Every time I feel myself warming up to Sanders, he does something like this.

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« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2019, 02:09:39 PM »

Bernie Sanders has shown us who he is many times over. Believe him.
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« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2019, 02:10:27 PM »

Why is this suprising to me? Tt's not that he endorsed Uyger, it's that he's endorsed Uyger and STILL has not endorsed Cisneros in TX-28. She's been in the race for far longer and is actually running against a moderate, so you think the  leading progressive icon will be all over that.
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« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2019, 03:48:45 PM »








What the f**k?
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« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2019, 04:22:11 PM »
« Edited: December 13, 2019, 04:25:21 PM by PA is Lean D »

This whole thing is a cluster f***. Bernie should know better.
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« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2019, 04:22:57 PM »








What the f**k?

Well that was pointless.
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« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2019, 04:31:19 PM »








What the f**k?

Well that was pointless.

My guess is Sanders' campaign went into damage control mode and quietly made it known to Cenk's campaign that Bernie was gonna retract his endorsement.
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« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2019, 04:33:32 PM »

Yeah, Sanders probably got an earful and realized it was a mistake.
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« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2019, 04:41:49 PM »








What the f**k?

Well that was pointless.

My guess is Sanders' campaign went into damage control mode and quietly made it known to Cenk's campaign that Bernie was gonna retract his endorsement.

I'd imagine the campaign feared it would hurt their standing in CA's primary.
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« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2019, 07:40:01 PM »

Sanders' judgment when it comes to the people he endorses is questionable, to say the least.
Have we forgotten that in 2016 he endorsed conspiracy nut Tim Canova who later became a Fox News regular peddling the theory that the DNC was behind Seth Rich's murder?
And at the same time he ignored a great candidate like John Fetterman who actually had a chance to win his primary and become a senator.
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