Is the Uk election Johnson vs Corbyn result a prelude to Trump vs Sanders?

[Dr. MB]

the UK election results having any impact whatsoever on the US election results is even more unimaginable than being further left wing than Bernie Sanders

[Queen Isuelt]

So let's stop the BS that M4A and breaking the big banks will make West Virginia and Arkansas lean D.

Who actually said this?

Well a professor of politics in the uk was talking about Arkansas and West Virginia’s collapse and dramatics shift from democrats to republicans today and comparing it to what happened in labor heartlands that voted labor for over a century

So he thinks that republicans have become economically very liberal - big spending, high debt but culturally conservative. While the democrats have become economically conservative and socially liberal. So stuff on immigration - open borders, defending immigrants, human rights has been a total disaster with poor working class people who feel like they have no rights anyway and the system is rigged and life is sh**t so they vote republican in protest. Talking about guns, religion is a smokescreen for the unavoidable fact that democrats care more about immigrants who don’t live here but enter illegally compared to people born here. Interesting theory

[Queen Isuelt]

So let's stop the BS that M4A and breaking the big banks will make West Virginia and Arkansas lean D.

Who actually said this?

It seems like the implication from some of the Sanders folks and Sanders himself. Like, if Manchin wont support M4A, Sanders will be able to go to West Virginia and hold a rally which will provide enough pressure for Manchin to flip. And I've seen plenty of: "Sanders won WV in a landslide during the primary, he would have carried it in the general"

Sanders would never be able to defeat joe manchin in West Virginia.

[Kleine Scheiße]

No, but that doesn't mean Sanders is particularly electable.

[Landslide Lyndon]

So let's stop the BS that M4A and breaking the big banks will make West Virginia and Arkansas lean D.

Who actually said this?

It seems like the implication from some of the Sanders folks and Sanders himself. Like, if Manchin wont support M4A, Sanders will be able to go to West Virginia and hold a rally which will provide enough pressure for Manchin to flip. And I've seen plenty of: "Sanders won WV in a landslide during the primary, he would have carried it in the general"

This.
You won't believe how many Sandernistas genuinely believe that Sanders will make West Virginia and Oklahoma competitive because "populism" and "he won the primary there in a landslide".

[SN2903]

Dems are un denial that their party is in trouble

[KaiserDave]

No. Stop trying to force American Politics into everything.

This, I've had this discussion with people outside of atlas as well.

TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. Is this type of American-centric attitude that makes so many people have a natural dislike for the country.

I also 100% agree with Barron, Boris (and most Tories aside from the obvious: Mogg, Gove, Cornerstone group) would be a Democrat in the US no question about it. Find me a Kasich Republican who supports expanding public services, or who would preserve any system resembling the NHS, Boris may be hurting the NHS, but a "Kasich Republican's" ideals would see it torn to dust.

[🦀🎂🦀🎂]

Don't let the hair fool you, Boris isn't really this country's Trump. Honestly that sort of analysis is worse than in 2008 when every single young politician with a vaguely inspiring speaking voice (and often not even that) was labeled COUNTRY X's OBAMA?!?!

[Frenchrepublican]

No. Stop trying to force American Politics into everything.

This, I've had this discussion with people outside of atlas as well.

TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. Is this type of American-centric attitude that makes so many people have a natural dislike for the country.

I also 100% agree with Barron, Boris (and most Tories aside from the obvious: Mogg, Gove, Cornerstone group) would be a Democrat in the US no question about it. Find me a Kasich Republican who supports expanding public services, or who would preserve any system resembling the NHS, Boris may be hurting the NHS, but a "Kasich Republican's" ideals would see it torn to dust.

LOL. Kasich expanded public services, have you already forgotten he basically expanded medicaid ?

[Progressive Pessimist]

No. Stop trying to force American Politics into everything.

This, I've had this discussion with people outside of atlas as well.

TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. Is this type of American-centric attitude that makes so many people have a natural dislike for the country.

I also 100% agree with Barron, Boris (and most Tories aside from the obvious: Mogg, Gove, Cornerstone group) would be a Democrat in the US no question about it. Find me a Kasich Republican who supports expanding public services, or who would preserve any system resembling the NHS, Boris may be hurting the NHS, but a "Kasich Republican's" ideals would see it torn to dust.

LOL. Kasich expanded public services, have you already forgotten he basically expanded medicaid ?

That's a low standard.

[KaiserDave]

No. Stop trying to force American Politics into everything.

This, I've had this discussion with people outside of atlas as well.

TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. Is this type of American-centric attitude that makes so many people have a natural dislike for the country.

I also 100% agree with Barron, Boris (and most Tories aside from the obvious: Mogg, Gove, Cornerstone group) would be a Democrat in the US no question about it. Find me a Kasich Republican who supports expanding public services, or who would preserve any system resembling the NHS, Boris may be hurting the NHS, but a "Kasich Republican's" ideals would see it torn to dust.

LOL. Kasich expanded public services, have you already forgotten he basically expanded medicaid ?

Did....did you just compare Medicaid to the NHS?

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

No, the comparison is silly, Teresa May was the corrupt PM, not Boris, and she was removed by her own party. The British are more conservative than Americans, due to fact, Arabs and Africans are the immigrants in Europe, not Latinos, like in the US. The right trying to conflate the two, is probable, but not imminent

[Libertas Vel Mors]

No. Stop trying to force American Politics into everything.

This, I've had this discussion with people outside of atlas as well.

TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. Is this type of American-centric attitude that makes so many people have a natural dislike for the country.

I also 100% agree with Barron, Boris (and most Tories aside from the obvious: Mogg, Gove, Cornerstone group) would be a Democrat in the US no question about it. Find me a Kasich Republican who supports expanding public services, or who would preserve any system resembling the NHS, Boris may be hurting the NHS, but a "Kasich Republican's" ideals would see it torn to dust.

LOL. Kasich expanded public services, have you already forgotten he basically expanded medicaid ?

Did....did you just compare Medicaid to the NHS?

Not me, but it's a good analogy. They hold a similar place politically (much as I'd like to abolish the second one and cut the first one).

[KaiserDave]

No. Stop trying to force American Politics into everything.

This, I've had this discussion with people outside of atlas as well.

TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. Is this type of American-centric attitude that makes so many people have a natural dislike for the country.

I also 100% agree with Barron, Boris (and most Tories aside from the obvious: Mogg, Gove, Cornerstone group) would be a Democrat in the US no question about it. Find me a Kasich Republican who supports expanding public services, or who would preserve any system resembling the NHS, Boris may be hurting the NHS, but a "Kasich Republican's" ideals would see it torn to dust.

LOL. Kasich expanded public services, have you already forgotten he basically expanded medicaid ?

Did....did you just compare Medicaid to the NHS?

Not me, but it's a good analogy. They hold a similar place politically (much as I'd like to abolish the second one and cut the first one).

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The place they hold politically is
A. Still Different, considering that even Tories shiver to call for its abolition whereas Republicans like to talk about "reforming" Medicaid to a nonexistent point daily
B. Irrelevant to the fact that the two systems only share a similarity in that they are healthcare related, they are vastly different

[Libertas Vel Mors]

No. Stop trying to force American Politics into everything.

This, I've had this discussion with people outside of atlas as well.

TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. Is this type of American-centric attitude that makes so many people have a natural dislike for the country.

I also 100% agree with Barron, Boris (and most Tories aside from the obvious: Mogg, Gove, Cornerstone group) would be a Democrat in the US no question about it. Find me a Kasich Republican who supports expanding public services, or who would preserve any system resembling the NHS, Boris may be hurting the NHS, but a "Kasich Republican's" ideals would see it torn to dust.

LOL. Kasich expanded public services, have you already forgotten he basically expanded medicaid ?

Did....did you just compare Medicaid to the NHS?

Not me, but it's a good analogy. They hold a similar place politically (much as I'd like to abolish the second one and cut the first one).

'


The place they hold politically is
A. Still Different, considering that even Tories shiver to call for its abolition whereas Republicans like to talk about "reforming" Medicaid to a nonexistent point daily
B. Irrelevant to the fact that the two systems only share a similarity in that they are healthcare related, they are vastly different

A. That's a good point, but it also compounds the liberalness of Kasich in expanding it. (On a personal note, Kasich really pulled a RINO on that one, I liked him before that).

B. We're talking about politics here though, not policy.

[adamevans]

No. Stop trying to force American Politics into everything.

This, I've had this discussion with people outside of atlas as well.

TWO DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. Is this type of American-centric attitude that makes so many people have a natural dislike for the country.

I also 100% agree with Barron, Boris (and most Tories aside from the obvious: Mogg, Gove, Cornerstone group) would be a Democrat in the US no question about it. Find me a Kasich Republican who supports expanding public services, or who would preserve any system resembling the NHS, Boris may be hurting the NHS, but a "Kasich Republican's" ideals would see it torn to dust.

LOL. Kasich expanded public services, have you already forgotten he basically expanded medicaid ?

Did....did you just compare Medicaid to the NHS?

Not me, but it's a good analogy. They hold a similar place politically (much as I'd like to abolish the second one and cut the first one).

'


The place they hold politically is
A. Still Different, considering that even Tories shiver to call for its abolition whereas Republicans like to talk about "reforming" Medicaid to a nonexistent point daily
B. Irrelevant to the fact that the two systems only share a similarity in that they are healthcare related, they are vastly different

A. That's a good point, but it also compounds the liberalness of Kasich in expanding it. (On a personal note, Kasich really pulled a RINO on that one, I liked him before that).

B. We're talking about politics here though, not policy.

The point is that the Overton window in the UK is shifted so much to the left that, in context of U.S politics, Boris would resemble a Democrat, albeit a more moderate and conservative one. The NHS and Medicaid are incomparable on policy.