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« Reply #25 on: December 12, 2019, 08:00:17 PM »

Yes, and it's why this country (most countries, actually) need an ACTUAL revolution, not a metaphorical one.

Smartest man on Atlas right here. It's a shame we'll never have an American Corbyn.
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« Reply #26 on: December 12, 2019, 08:08:23 PM »

Labour is projected to have only 191 seats-the lowest in like 70 years.
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« Reply #27 on: December 12, 2019, 08:19:21 PM »

I can’t imagine anybody further to the left than Bernie Sanders.

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« Reply #28 on: December 12, 2019, 10:13:51 PM »

Not specifically about Sanders, but still an important point:

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« Reply #29 on: December 12, 2019, 11:17:28 PM »

Sanders doesn’t have a -40 net approval rating, nor would his own party’s electorate be as fractured on anything like Brexit.

So no, there is not a comparison to be made.
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« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2019, 11:24:37 PM »

Sanders can't as easily be smeared as an anti-Semite (though the psychopath Netanyahu had the audacity to refer to Emmanuel and Axelrod as self hating Jews, so you never know).
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« Reply #31 on: December 13, 2019, 05:34:03 AM »

Johnson didn’t threaten to withhold foreign aid unless that country’s President investigated Corbyn’s son.
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« Reply #32 on: December 13, 2019, 05:46:28 AM »

There is one thing that ought to sober up Sanders supporters after last night's election.
The claim that economic populism will bring back to the fold those WWC voters who voted for Trump has been irrevocably refuted.
Corbyn proposed the most left-wing economic agenda in a generation that would have benefited the most exactly this kind of people. And yet they rejected him decisively.
For them Brexit and xenophobia were more important that their own pocketbook.

So let's stop the BS that M4A and breaking the big banks will make West Virginia and Arkansas lean D.
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« Reply #33 on: December 13, 2019, 06:19:09 AM »

Sanders is nowhere near as unpopular and problematic as Jeremy Corbyn is. So no.
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« Reply #34 on: December 13, 2019, 09:17:12 AM »

Nobody could ever accuse Bernie Sanders of antisemitism.
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« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2019, 09:28:24 AM »

Congratulations Boris Johnson!!! Finally Brexit can get done, and the UK can put the referendum behind them. Should be a good thing for trade talks with the US as well. Trump must be cheering in the white house as well.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/dec/12/uk-general-election-2019-full-results-live-labour-conservatives-tories
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« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2019, 10:05:33 AM »

Bojo has a long history of criticizing and publicly speaking against Trump. UK Conservatives are more akin to US moderate Democrats, Johnson ran a campaign on expanding public services. Lmao at all the Trump supporters cheering his win.
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« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2019, 10:11:22 AM »

UK Conservatives are more akin to US moderate Democrats





These men would like to disagree with you.

EDIT: on the point at hand, I do think there's a chance Sanders' Democratic opponents (or, really, their proxies...no candidate is going to say this out loud) are going to use this as a club against him on the electability argument. I think that's more important than any predictive value of the contest.
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« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2019, 10:16:56 AM »

In terms of Sanders' personal ability to win a GE? No. He's not as unpopular as Corbyn.

In terms of the notion that there's this hidden far-left majority in places like West Virginia that can be activated for systemic change to support a "revolution"? Absolutely.
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« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2019, 10:20:01 AM »

Bojo has a long history of criticizing and publicly speaking against Trump. UK Conservatives are more akin to US moderate Democrats, Johnson ran a campaign on expanding public services. Lmao at all the Trump supporters cheering his win.

I agree on the global idea that UK Conservatives are to the left of the GOP, but they're probably to the right of most democrats, let's say they are ''Kasich Republicans''
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« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2019, 11:20:26 AM »

Nobody could ever accuse Bernie Sanders of antisemitism.


He's not even really Jewish, he's an atheist.
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« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2019, 11:21:59 AM »

No. Stop trying to force American Politics into everything.
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« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2019, 12:03:59 PM »

Nobody could ever accuse Bernie Sanders of antisemitism.


He's not even really Jewish, he's an atheist.
So was David Ben-Gurion.
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« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2019, 12:40:38 PM »

Nobody could ever accuse Bernie Sanders of antisemitism.


He's not even really Jewish, he's an atheist.

Has he ever said as much?

Beyond that though, according to the Trump administration, Jews can be atheists.
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« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2019, 01:38:52 PM »

Nobody could ever accuse Bernie Sanders of antisemitism.


He's not even really Jewish, he's an atheist.
So was David Ben-Gurion.

David Ben-Gurion didn't hang out with Linda Sarsour.
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« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2019, 01:40:21 PM »

Could be.
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« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2019, 02:58:21 PM »
« Edited: December 19, 2019, 12:58:34 PM by Barron »

Bojo has a long history of criticizing and publicly speaking against Trump. UK Conservatives are more akin to US moderate Democrats, Johnson ran a campaign on expanding public services. Lmao at all the Trump supporters cheering his win.

I agree on the global idea that UK Conservatives are to the left of the GOP, but they're probably to the right of most democrats, let's say they are ''Kasich Republicans''

I’ve never seen Kasich or any of the moderate Republicans call for expanding public programs like Boris Johnson did. Perhaps you could compare them to Phil Scott or Charlie Baker if any Republican. This whole counter-narrative that the U.S is actually in the mainstream on the developed world political debate seems more contrarian than anything, or Republicans reaching for straws. The political landscape of the UK is much different than the US.
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« Reply #47 on: December 13, 2019, 07:54:08 PM »

Nobody could ever accuse Bernie Sanders of antisemitism.


He's not even really Jewish, he's an atheist.

Jewish identity can also be based on ethnicity.
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« Reply #48 on: December 13, 2019, 08:39:49 PM »

Lol yes and Atlas and Sandernites can pretend it isnt as much as they want.
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« Reply #49 on: December 13, 2019, 08:53:52 PM »

So let's stop the BS that M4A and breaking the big banks will make West Virginia and Arkansas lean D.
Who actually said this?
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