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« Reply #400 on: January 09, 2020, 10:00:33 AM »

As long as Bernie keeps the nomination going, Biden will lose support, and the only support Biden has is the South. Biden need a quick knock out to win the nomination,  but he doesnt get it. Biden has lost female voters, due to his corruption, just like Trump has. Jill Biden has been sidelined since the Hunter Biden story broke on Ukraine.

I dont know why Johnson and Bagel support such corruption,  Biden has the lowest amount of donations given to him online
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« Reply #401 on: January 09, 2020, 11:25:29 AM »

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« Reply #402 on: January 09, 2020, 12:43:36 PM »



Biden wants to take the credit but not the blame for the Onama failures. What about Obama not recessing appointing Garland? It never was done on a SCOTUS nominee but it was done on lower CRT nominations. Biden is gaffe prone and isnt communicative as Obama. That's why he will lose the nomination
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« Reply #403 on: January 09, 2020, 04:07:28 PM »

As long as Bernie keeps the nomination going, Biden will lose support, and the only support Biden has is the South. Biden need a quick knock out to win the nomination,  but he doesnt get it. Biden has lost female voters, due to his corruption, just like Trump has. Jill Biden has been sidelined since the Hunter Biden story broke on Ukraine.

I dont know why Johnson and Bagel support such corruption,  Biden has the lowest amount of donations given to him online

Why do you continue to repeat the bogus soundbite Joe Biden is "corrupted" when there is zero proof or evidence he actually did something wrong? All he did with regard to Ukraine is carrying out the policy of the Obama Administration to fire an ineffective and corrupt prosecutor. This was also the same policy than other western countries including the European Union adopted. Even when Hunter Biden should not have taken the job at Burisma due to bad looks, even he has not been accused of any wrongdoings while in Ukraine. It's a fake scandal orchestrated by Donald Trump and his crownies because they are afraid of Joe Biden. Donald Trump is the only "corrupted" person in the 2020 race.
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« Reply #404 on: January 09, 2020, 05:10:35 PM »

I don't know if anyone fell for the Sanders campaign's lie that Biden wanted to cut social security, but he was actually doing a mocking impression of Paul Ryan when he said the words the Sanders campaign quoted out of context:

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2020/jan/09/bernie-sanders/did-biden-laud-paul-ryan-proposal-cut-social-secur/

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A Sanders campaign newsletter said, "In 2018, Biden lauded Paul Ryan for proposing cuts to Social Security and Medicare."

That stems from a speech Biden gave in 2018 in which he spoke about Ryan. Biden appeared to be mocking Ryan, not praising him.

The Sanders campaign omitted what Biden said next: the importance of protecting Social Security and Medicare and to change the tax code, which he said benefitted the mega rich. Overall, the point of Biden’s speech was to criticize tax cuts for the rich and call for more help to the middle class.

The Sanders campaign plucked out part of what Biden said but omitted the full context of his comments.

We rate this statement False.

This kind of brazenly-misleading out-of-context quote would get a thread locked or a user banned according to the moderation rules here on the Atlas forum, but I'm sure it's just fine for Bernie Sanders and David Sirota to pull.
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« Reply #405 on: January 09, 2020, 05:15:29 PM »

Bernie and Buttigieg have been gaining on Biden, and Biden has lost support from females, it just not about Ukraine, it's about his gaffes like segregation and busing that lost his support

We will see what happens in IA and NH, but Jill Biden hasn't been seen since Hunter Biden storybroke, I dont know what that is about. Jill Biden has been known to campaign for her husband
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« Reply #406 on: January 09, 2020, 05:25:17 PM »

As long as Bernie keeps the nomination going, Biden will lose support, and the only support Biden has is the South. Biden need a quick knock out to win the nomination,  but he doesnt get it. Biden has lost female voters, due to his corruption, just like Trump has. Jill Biden has been sidelined since the Hunter Biden story broke on Ukraine.

I dont know why Johnson and Bagel support such corruption,  Biden has the lowest amount of donations given to him online

Why do you continue to repeat the bogus soundbite Joe Biden is "corrupted" when there is zero proof or evidence he actually did something wrong? All he did with regard to Ukraine is carrying out the policy of the Obama Administration to fire an ineffective and corrupt prosecutor. This was also the same policy than other western countries including the European Union adopted. Even when Hunter Biden should not have taken the job at Burisma due to bad looks, even he has not been accused of any wrongdoings while in Ukraine. It's a fake scandal orchestrated by Donald Trump and his crownies because they are afraid of Joe Biden. Donald Trump is the only "corrupted" person in the 2020 race.

The owner had his accounts frozen the same month crackhead Biden came on board with Burisma, and Biden met with the owner of Burisma days before the firing of the prosecutor.  They had problems with the British government freezing their accounts, and knew they needed political influence before Bobo Biden was placed on the board in order to pressure Shokin into sending over documents to the British Government. Hunter Biden was put on the board just weeks after Joe Biden was asked by President Obama to oversee the Ukrainian relations.  

This is the prosecutor's affidavit of the events, where he says Biden pressured the Ukrainian prosecutor's office to stop pursuing Burisma.  The story about Biden threatening aid money cause the Ukrainian prosecutor was corrupt was a concoction by the Biden team to disseminate a false narrative.  
https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement

Other reports have evidenced that the case against Burisma was not closed in March, 2016 as Biden and other reports had previously expressed.  Burisma states that the case was still open in January of 2017.
https://www.kyivpost.com/business-wire/john-buretta-us-important-close-casesagainst-burisma-nikolayzlochevskyiin-legally-sound-manner.html

This is the March, 2016 Memo in which an account was made of three U.S. officials apologizing for the dissemination of false information about the prosecutor's office in Ukraine in regards to Zlochevsky.  The earlier story that you Democrats continue to repeat was a lie.  
https://www.scribd.com/document/427618359/Shokin-Statement
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« Reply #407 on: January 09, 2020, 05:28:03 PM »

oh god do we have to do this again


A) It was official USA, EU, and NATO policy to want the prosecutor fired.  Biden did not make this decision.
B) The prosecutor Biden wanted fired was known for not pursuing corruption cases.
C) In fact, dropping the case against Zlochevsky (owner of Burisma) was one of the examples of why he was a corrupt prosecutor.
D) The case against Zlochevsky was dropped years before Hunter Biden was involved in Burisma.
E) The actual corruption was committed even before that.  Years and years before Hunter Biden was involved.
F) The corruption in question?  Zlochevsky was using his official position in the Ukrainian government to award favorable contracts to companies he owned.  This isn't corruption that Biden would have had any involvement with, or even knowledge of.
G) Zlochevsky held his position as Minister of Energy and Natural Resources (which he was using to award energy contracts to himself) from 2010-2012.  Hunter Biden was not hired by Burisma until 2014.
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« Reply #408 on: January 09, 2020, 05:47:58 PM »

Biden campaigned on raising the retirement age in 2007. He served in the Obama administration as it chased after a futile grand bargain with Mitch McConnell for years. He suggested means-testing just a few years ago, IIRC in the speech that the Sanders' newsletter was quoting.

The attack is dishonest, but it's not as if Biden doesn't have an eyebrow-raising record on Social Security.

I would like to think that he learned something from Obama's disgraceful, disgusting handling of this issue. It remains vastly underrated by media. Those with national visibility tend to be young or well-fed.

Even so, it can't hurt for Biden to take heat on it now. Protecting Medicare and Social Security should be a linchpin of the general election campaign for any nominee. In the midst of all of these grand plans, the candidates have spent surprisingly little time so far reassuring people of this.
In this, in my opinion, lies the major flaw in all of the democratic campaigns this year-- they are not focusing the basics. M4A and free college have the opportunity to help a lot of people, but the apetite is currently not there for these ideas really. Meanwhile, everyone and their grandmother is concerned about entitlements being cut by republicans.
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« Reply #409 on: January 09, 2020, 05:57:10 PM »

Biden campaigned on raising the retirement age in 2007. He served in the Obama administration as it chased after a futile grand bargain with Mitch McConnell for years. He suggested means-testing just a few years ago, IIRC in the speech that the Sanders' newsletter was quoting.

The attack is dishonest, but it's not as if Biden doesn't have an eyebrow-raising record on Social Security.

The retirement age should be raised.  This is the only way to ensure SS remains solvent so we don't have to make cuts.

We already raised the retirement age once, in the 1980s.  It was a gradual increase (as it should be), in fact we are still going through the shift to this day.  It's not until 2025 that the shift to 67 will be complete.  See https://www.ssa.gov/planners/retire/agereduction.html

It's common knowledge that social security is insolvent.  If it maintains its current level of funding, with an expanding pool, we will eventually be forced to make cuts or raise taxes.  If we shrink the pool by raising the full retirement age gradually over time from 67 to 70, we avoid having to make cuts.  These are really your only options -- cut benefits, raise taxes, or raise the retirement age.

Paul Ryan wants to cut benefits.  Joe Biden wanted to raise the retirement age.  Those are two opposite sides of the issue, not the same.

Bernie Sanders, FWIW, wants to raise taxes so much that he can expand social security benefits and put more people in the program.
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« Reply #410 on: January 09, 2020, 06:06:17 PM »

oh god do we have to do this again


A) It was official USA, EU, and NATO policy to want the prosecutor fired.  Biden did not make this decision.
B) The prosecutor Biden wanted fired was known for not pursuing corruption cases.
C) In fact, dropping the case against Zlochevsky (owner of Burisma) was one of the examples of why he was a corrupt prosecutor.
D) The case against Zlochevsky was dropped years before Hunter Biden was involved in Burisma.
E) The actual corruption was committed even before that.  Years and years before Hunter Biden was involved.
F) The corruption in question?  Zlochevsky was using his official position in the Ukrainian government to award favorable contracts to companies he owned.  This isn't corruption that Biden would have had any involvement with, or even knowledge of.
G) Zlochevsky held his position as Minister of Energy and Natural Resources (which he was using to award energy contracts to himself) from 2010-2012.  Hunter Biden was not hired by Burisma until 2014.

There is a treasure trove of memos contradicting many of your assumptions.  In fact, U.S. officials have already admitted that they disseminated false information about the Prosecutor, which is evidenced in one of the memos I posted in my last post.  Hunter Biden was brought in weeks after Joe Biden was tasked with overseeing Ukrainian relations.  In fact, a former Obama Administration Assistant U.S. Attorney from New York was able to get the case dismissed in January 2015.  The attorney John Buretta was hired by Blue Star, and Joe Biden had served the board.  Blue star negotiated the Burisma settlement in January 2017, which is 10 months after Shokin was fired.  Blue star paid off Ukrainian officials for help with the Prosecutor's office.  

There's so much evidence.  Your entire narrative is complete garbage.  There's even a memo that details Biden meeting with Ukrainian officials days before the prosecutor is fired.  It's beautiful.  
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« Reply #411 on: January 09, 2020, 06:13:01 PM »
« Edited: January 09, 2020, 06:16:32 PM by GeneralMacArthur »

oh god do we have to do this again


A) It was official USA, EU, and NATO policy to want the prosecutor fired.  Biden did not make this decision.
B) The prosecutor Biden wanted fired was known for not pursuing corruption cases.
C) In fact, dropping the case against Zlochevsky (owner of Burisma) was one of the examples of why he was a corrupt prosecutor.
D) The case against Zlochevsky was dropped years before Hunter Biden was involved in Burisma.
E) The actual corruption was committed even before that.  Years and years before Hunter Biden was involved.
F) The corruption in question?  Zlochevsky was using his official position in the Ukrainian government to award favorable contracts to companies he owned.  This isn't corruption that Biden would have had any involvement with, or even knowledge of.
G) Zlochevsky held his position as Minister of Energy and Natural Resources (which he was using to award energy contracts to himself) from 2010-2012.  Hunter Biden was not hired by Burisma until 2014.

There is a treasure trove of memos contradicting many of your assumptions.  In fact, U.S. officials have already admitted that they disseminated false information about the Prosecutor, which is evidenced in one of the memos I posted in my last post.  Hunter Biden was brought in weeks after Joe Biden was tasked with overseeing Ukrainian relations.  In fact, a former Obama Administration Assistant U.S. Attorney from New York was able to get the case dismissed in January 2015.  The attorney John Buretta was hired by Blue Star, and Joe Biden had served the board.  Blue star negotiated the Burisma settlement in January 2017, which is 10 months after Shokin was fired.  Blue star paid off Ukrainian officials for help with the Prosecutor's office. 

There's so much evidence.  Your entire narrative is complete garbage.  There's even a memo that details Biden meeting with Ukrainian officials days before the prosecutor is fired.  It's beautiful. 

The 7 facts I posted aren't assumptions.  These are facts.  None of what you posted has anything to do with the 7 facts I posted.  It's all a bunch of conspiracy-theory garbage and insinuations that you copy+pasted from John Solomon.

Also, the link you're leaning so heavily on (you posted it twice and acted like they were two different links) is the infamous "Shokin Testimony" which Giuliani loves to trot out on Fox News.   This testimony has already been proven to be riddled with big fat lies, and many of the "credible sources" it cites are internet blogs that quote or paraphrase John Solomon.  The whole thing is a big ring of BS.

Even The Intercept, no friend of Joe Biden, wrote a detailed take-down of the Shokin testimony you love.  I post it here so y'all can see that I'm not just pulling this information from mainstream/establishment sources.  Everyone, even on the far left, knows this testimony is a lie.  https://theintercept.com/2019/10/17/ukrainian-oligarch-helping-trump-smear-biden-evade-u-s-corruption-charges/
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« Reply #412 on: January 09, 2020, 06:35:53 PM »

oh god do we have to do this again


A) It was official USA, EU, and NATO policy to want the prosecutor fired.  Biden did not make this decision.
B) The prosecutor Biden wanted fired was known for not pursuing corruption cases.
C) In fact, dropping the case against Zlochevsky (owner of Burisma) was one of the examples of why he was a corrupt prosecutor.
D) The case against Zlochevsky was dropped years before Hunter Biden was involved in Burisma.
E) The actual corruption was committed even before that.  Years and years before Hunter Biden was involved.
F) The corruption in question?  Zlochevsky was using his official position in the Ukrainian government to award favorable contracts to companies he owned.  This isn't corruption that Biden would have had any involvement with, or even knowledge of.
G) Zlochevsky held his position as Minister of Energy and Natural Resources (which he was using to award energy contracts to himself) from 2010-2012.  Hunter Biden was not hired by Burisma until 2014.

There is a treasure trove of memos contradicting many of your assumptions.  In fact, U.S. officials have already admitted that they disseminated false information about the Prosecutor, which is evidenced in one of the memos I posted in my last post.  Hunter Biden was brought in weeks after Joe Biden was tasked with overseeing Ukrainian relations.  In fact, a former Obama Administration Assistant U.S. Attorney from New York was able to get the case dismissed in January 2015.  The attorney John Buretta was hired by Blue Star, and Joe Biden had served the board.  Blue star negotiated the Burisma settlement in January 2017, which is 10 months after Shokin was fired.  Blue star paid off Ukrainian officials for help with the Prosecutor's office. 

There's so much evidence.  Your entire narrative is complete garbage.  There's even a memo that details Biden meeting with Ukrainian officials days before the prosecutor is fired.  It's beautiful. 

The 7 facts I posted aren't assumptions.  These are facts.  None of what you posted has anything to do with the 7 facts I posted.  It's all a bunch of conspiracy-theory garbage and insinuations that you copy+pasted from John Solomon.

Also, the link you're leaning so heavily on (you posted it twice and acted like they were two different links) is the infamous "Shokin Testimony" which Giuliani loves to trot out on Fox News.   This testimony has already been proven to be riddled with big fat lies, and many of the "credible sources" it cites are internet blogs that quote or paraphrase John Solomon.  The whole thing is a big ring of BS.

Even The Intercept, no friend of Joe Biden, wrote a detailed take-down of the Shokin testimony you love.  I post it here so y'all can see that I'm not just pulling this information from mainstream/establishment sources.  Everyone, even on the far left, knows this testimony is a lie.  https://theintercept.com/2019/10/17/ukrainian-oligarch-helping-trump-smear-biden-evade-u-s-corruption-charges/

Here you go.  A link to urls containing the memos in chronological order.  The intercept is an indirect source, and I won't accept it over actual evidence of e-mails between the criminal actors, and memorialize notes by Blue Star (the company whose board Joe Biden served).  That's evidence.  I'm not even talking about Slokin, but his statement is pretty much confirmed.

https://johnsolomonreports.com/hunter-bidens-ukraine-gas-firm-pressed-obama-administration-to-end-corruption-allegations-memos-show/

Those things you posted are not facts.  Your claim that those cases ended way before Hunter joined the board is demonstrably false.  The UK started looking into Burisma as early as 2010, but they opened up a case around the same time Biden joined the board in the spring of 2014.  Ukraine opened up the investigation in August 2014, which lasted until January 2017.  The media previously reported that Joe Biden pressured the Ukrainian government after the case against Burisma had ended, but only the UK case had ended.  In February, the owner's property was seized by Slokin, and Hunter was about to be question over Burisma.  Then in March, the prosecutor is fired. 

All along the way, there's meetings with John Kerry and Blue Star officials.  There's even a picture of assistant secretary of defense Evelyn Farkas at the Burisma drill site. There's an e-mail where Hunters wants to talk with Obama officials about "why" Burisma being considered a "corrupt" company. 
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« Reply #413 on: January 09, 2020, 06:44:55 PM »


Dude.  You're linking John Solomon.

Just stop.

The UK started looking into Burisma as early as 2010, but they opened up a case around the same time Biden joined the board in the spring of 2014.  Ukraine opened up the investigation in August 2014, which lasted until January 2017.  The media previously reported that Joe Biden pressured the Ukrainian government after the case against Burisma had ended, but only the UK case had ended.  In February, the owner's property was seized by Slokin, and Hunter was about to be question over Burisma.  Then in March, the prosecutor is fired.  

You're parroting talking points from Devin Nunes, which were given Four Pinocchios by the Washington Post.  I'm sure you'll ignore this because WaPo is corrupt deep state media, unlike the totally trustworthy JohnSolomonReports.com.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/04/gop-tries-connect-dots-biden-ukraine-comes-up-short/
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« Reply #414 on: January 09, 2020, 06:50:39 PM »

... it just not about Ukraine, it's about his gaffes like segregation and busing ...

LMAO. "Busing"?
Sometimes I wonder if you are for real.
I like reading your posts, but I take them all as 100% comedy.
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« Reply #415 on: January 09, 2020, 06:53:33 PM »

The retirement age should be raised.  This is the only way to ensure SS remains solvent so we don't have to make cuts.

This is nonsense.

The annual reports put out by the SSA's Board of Trustees consistently show only a modest gap in funding over the next 75 years. A 2% increase in the payroll tax would be enough to cover the difference, and policymakers could cover all of it by raising the payroll tax cap rather than shaking down poor workers for more.

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We already raised the retirement age once, in the 1980s.  It was a gradual increase (as it should be), in fact we are still going through the shift to this day.  It's not until 2025 that the shift to 67 will be complete.

I'm aware of the increase. It is one of the greatest betrayals of the American public in this country's history.

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It's common knowledge that social security is insolvent.

This is only the consensus among paranoid financial columnists providing grist for financial planning wheeler-dealers and small government extremists.

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If it maintains its current level of funding, with an expanding pool, we will eventually be forced to make cuts or raise taxes.  If we shrink the pool by raising the full retirement age gradually over time from 67 to 70, we avoid having to make cuts.  These are really your only options -- cut benefits, raise taxes, or raise the retirement age.

Paul Ryan wants to cut benefits.  Joe Biden wanted to raise the retirement age.  Those are two opposite sides of the issue, not the same.

Raising the retirement age is a cut in benefits and implying otherwise is more dishonest than anything that the Sanders campaign has said. Not everyone has a career that allows them to spend their sixties cooling their heels in an office while an underpaid intern does their work for them!

All of this will hit a generation that has less savings, less wealth, worse employer-sponsored retirement plans, and fewer children. They will have less resources than ever to fall back on. And they're not likely to have longer lifespans than the typical retiree today. In fact, for those in the bottom half, there's a good chance that the average lifespan will fall.

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Bernie Sanders, FWIW, wants to raise taxes so much that he can expand social security benefits and put more people in the program.

That's better than the guy who wants to rob working class retirees of their golden years.

I am certainly not an expert on Social Security projections.  I recall this report from the SSA about a decade ago being talked about, but don't know if anything has changed since to make it more solvent:

https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v70n3/v70n3p111.html

Regardless, raising the retirement age by three years by 2070 is not "robbing working class retirees of their golden years", that's just meaningless hyperbole.  Nor is it accurate to characterize a reduction of the pool as a "cut in benefits" since the benefits remain the same; only my children (who will probably live at least three years longer than me) will have to wait three more years to get them.
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« Reply #416 on: January 09, 2020, 06:57:07 PM »


Dude.  You're linking John Solomon.
Just stop.

The UK started looking into Burisma as early as 2010, but they opened up a case around the same time Biden joined the board in the spring of 2014.  Ukraine opened up the investigation in August 2014, which lasted until January 2017.  The media previously reported that Joe Biden pressured the Ukrainian government after the case against Burisma had ended, but only the UK case had ended.  In February, the owner's property was seized by Slokin, and Hunter was about to be question over Burisma.  Then in March, the prosecutor is fired.  

You're parroting talking points from Devin Nunes, which were given Four Pinocchios by the Washington Post.  I'm sure you'll ignore this because WaPo is corrupt deep state media, unlike the totally trustworthy JohnSolomonReports.com.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/04/gop-tries-connect-dots-biden-ukraine-comes-up-short/

Don't even bother arguing with Hollywood.
He is trump troll who adores his Orange God.
All that Burisma talk of his, is rubbish.
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« Reply #417 on: January 09, 2020, 07:22:17 PM »

I am certainly not an expert on Social Security projections.  I recall this report from the SSA about a decade ago being talked about, but don't know if anything has changed since to make it more solvent:

https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/ssb/v70n3/v70n3p111.html

Regardless, raising the retirement age by three years by 2070 is not "robbing working class retirees of their golden years", that's just meaningless hyperbole.  Nor is it accurate to characterize a reduction of the pool as a "cut in benefits" since the benefits remain the same; only my children (who will probably live at least three years longer than me) will have to wait three more years to get them.

There were some much more dire concerns about long-term solvency immediately after the recession, but the SSA's projections haven't been nearly as ugly as mid-brow pop economics coverage suggests for as long as I have followed them. Set against reduced public expenses for education and childcare, the math is not so dire.

If you don't appreciate my account, maybe  this 2017 report (pdf) from the Congressional Research Service would be more to your taste:

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In response to rising life expectancy, some commonly discussed Social Security reform proposals involve increasing the retirement age. Yet these proposals would affect low earners disproportionately(i.e.,reductions in their lifetime Social Security benefits would be considerably larger than for high earners). Congress may be interested in policy proposals that mitigate the uneven effects of increasing the retirement age and protect the interests of lower-earning, shorter-lived workers.

We don't need to keep discussing this here, but I hope that the people on Joe Biden's policy team are familiar with this report.


Agreed.  If Social Security is now solvent then I see no need to lower the retirement age, and would hope/assume that a Biden administration would be well-informed enough to not make policy decisions based on outdated concerns.
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« Reply #418 on: January 09, 2020, 08:14:25 PM »


Dude.  You're linking John Solomon.
Just stop.

The UK started looking into Burisma as early as 2010, but they opened up a case around the same time Biden joined the board in the spring of 2014.  Ukraine opened up the investigation in August 2014, which lasted until January 2017.  The media previously reported that Joe Biden pressured the Ukrainian government after the case against Burisma had ended, but only the UK case had ended.  In February, the owner's property was seized by Slokin, and Hunter was about to be question over Burisma.  Then in March, the prosecutor is fired.  

You're parroting talking points from Devin Nunes, which were given Four Pinocchios by the Washington Post.  I'm sure you'll ignore this because WaPo is corrupt deep state media, unlike the totally trustworthy JohnSolomonReports.com.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/04/gop-tries-connect-dots-biden-ukraine-comes-up-short/

Don't even bother arguing with Hollywood.
He is trump troll who adores his Orange God.
All that Burisma talk of his, is rubbish.

This has been such a great day.  I posted URLs to my Twitter page, and 100 likes within an hour from Sanders and Trump people that had no idea this existed.  It's alway a great day when you find 100 d memorandums, e-mails, court documents, and pictures directly implicating so many Obama officials and Biden associates.  It's the most authoritative source on Burisma, and it's been sitting on the internet since the beginning of November.  This completely legitimizes Trump's concern over Biden's conduct in Ukraine, and there's real obstruction of justice cause he tries a last ditch effort to stop the Ukrainian prosecutor from prosecuting the founder and formally questioning his son.  There's an interview from the Burisma/Bluestar lawyer that basically lays out that entire  timeline, and it coincides with the Biden family's involvement in Ukraine in 2014.  Then there's the memo where the three U.S. official apologize for disseminating false information about the prosecutor.  If they continue to find more of these memos, then it's probably game over. 

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« Reply #419 on: January 09, 2020, 08:19:26 PM »
« Edited: January 09, 2020, 08:27:28 PM by ProudModerate2 »


Dude.  You're linking John Solomon.
Just stop.

The UK started looking into Burisma as early as 2010, but they opened up a case around the same time Biden joined the board in the spring of 2014.  Ukraine opened up the investigation in August 2014, which lasted until January 2017.  The media previously reported that Joe Biden pressured the Ukrainian government after the case against Burisma had ended, but only the UK case had ended.  In February, the owner's property was seized by Slokin, and Hunter was about to be question over Burisma.  Then in March, the prosecutor is fired.  

You're parroting talking points from Devin Nunes, which were given Four Pinocchios by the Washington Post.  I'm sure you'll ignore this because WaPo is corrupt deep state media, unlike the totally trustworthy JohnSolomonReports.com.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/04/gop-tries-connect-dots-biden-ukraine-comes-up-short/

Don't even bother arguing with Hollywood.
He is trump troll who adores his Orange God.
All that Burisma talk of his, is rubbish.

This has been such a great day.  I posted URLs to my Twitter page, and 100 likes within an hour from Sanders and Trump people that had no idea this existed.  It's alway a great day when you find 100 d memorandums, e-mails, court documents, and pictures directly implicating so many Obama officials and Biden associates.  It's the most authoritative source on Burisma, and it's been sitting on the internet since the beginning of November.  This completely legitimizes Trump's concern over Biden's conduct in Ukraine, and there's real obstruction of justice cause he tries a last ditch effort to stop the Ukrainian prosecutor from prosecuting the founder and formally questioning his son.  There's an interview from the Burisma/Bluestar lawyer that basically lays out that entire  timeline, and it coincides with the Biden family's involvement in Ukraine in 2014.  Then there's the memo where the three U.S. official apologize for disseminating false information about the prosecutor.  If they continue to find more of these memos, then it's probably game over.

LOL.
What a clown.
Your fake data is such a huge revelation, that every single major news organization is talking about it.
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« Reply #420 on: January 09, 2020, 08:45:09 PM »

The retirement age is such a joke, out here in Cali, there are so many people out here on Disability insurance or unemployed or GR, which takes out the Social Security Program Penalty. The only way to encourage people to get off of disability or retirement, is develop a natl 401 K plan that gives interest to people when they save for retirement, otherwise the system will keep depleting itself
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« Reply #421 on: January 09, 2020, 08:58:30 PM »


Dude.  You're linking John Solomon.
Just stop.

The UK started looking into Burisma as early as 2010, but they opened up a case around the same time Biden joined the board in the spring of 2014.  Ukraine opened up the investigation in August 2014, which lasted until January 2017.  The media previously reported that Joe Biden pressured the Ukrainian government after the case against Burisma had ended, but only the UK case had ended.  In February, the owner's property was seized by Slokin, and Hunter was about to be question over Burisma.  Then in March, the prosecutor is fired.  

You're parroting talking points from Devin Nunes, which were given Four Pinocchios by the Washington Post.  I'm sure you'll ignore this because WaPo is corrupt deep state media, unlike the totally trustworthy JohnSolomonReports.com.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/04/gop-tries-connect-dots-biden-ukraine-comes-up-short/

Don't even bother arguing with Hollywood.
He is trump troll who adores his Orange God.
All that Burisma talk of his, is rubbish.

This has been such a great day.  I posted URLs to my Twitter page, and 100 likes within an hour from Sanders and Trump people that had no idea this existed.  It's alway a great day when you find 100 d memorandums, e-mails, court documents, and pictures directly implicating so many Obama officials and Biden associates.  It's the most authoritative source on Burisma, and it's been sitting on the internet since the beginning of November.  This completely legitimizes Trump's concern over Biden's conduct in Ukraine, and there's real obstruction of justice cause he tries a last ditch effort to stop the Ukrainian prosecutor from prosecuting the founder and formally questioning his son.  There's an interview from the Burisma/Bluestar lawyer that basically lays out that entire  timeline, and it coincides with the Biden family's involvement in Ukraine in 2014.  Then there's the memo where the three U.S. official apologize for disseminating false information about the prosecutor.  If they continue to find more of these memos, then it's probably game over.

LOL.
What a clown.
Your fake data is such a huge revelation, that every single major news organization is talking about it.

Not credible.  These documents are the authoritative source.  It must be stunning for you to actually see documented proof of obstruction of justice.  Saving your business partner and your sign from prosecution by withholding foreign aid money unless the prosecutor is fired.  tss tss.
https://johnsolomonreports.com/hunter-bidens-ukraine-gas-firm-pressed-obama-administration-to-end-corruption-allegations-memos-show/
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« Reply #422 on: January 09, 2020, 09:07:58 PM »


Dude.  You're linking John Solomon.
Just stop.

The UK started looking into Burisma as early as 2010, but they opened up a case around the same time Biden joined the board in the spring of 2014.  Ukraine opened up the investigation in August 2014, which lasted until January 2017.  The media previously reported that Joe Biden pressured the Ukrainian government after the case against Burisma had ended, but only the UK case had ended.  In February, the owner's property was seized by Slokin, and Hunter was about to be question over Burisma.  Then in March, the prosecutor is fired.  

You're parroting talking points from Devin Nunes, which were given Four Pinocchios by the Washington Post.  I'm sure you'll ignore this because WaPo is corrupt deep state media, unlike the totally trustworthy JohnSolomonReports.com.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/04/gop-tries-connect-dots-biden-ukraine-comes-up-short/

Don't even bother arguing with Hollywood.
He is trump troll who adores his Orange God.
All that Burisma talk of his, is rubbish.

This has been such a great day.  I posted URLs to my Twitter page, and 100 likes within an hour from Sanders and Trump people that had no idea this existed.  It's alway a great day when you find 100 d memorandums, e-mails, court documents, and pictures directly implicating so many Obama officials and Biden associates.  It's the most authoritative source on Burisma, and it's been sitting on the internet since the beginning of November.  This completely legitimizes Trump's concern over Biden's conduct in Ukraine, and there's real obstruction of justice cause he tries a last ditch effort to stop the Ukrainian prosecutor from prosecuting the founder and formally questioning his son.  There's an interview from the Burisma/Bluestar lawyer that basically lays out that entire  timeline, and it coincides with the Biden family's involvement in Ukraine in 2014.  Then there's the memo where the three U.S. official apologize for disseminating false information about the prosecutor.  If they continue to find more of these memos, then it's probably game over.

LOL.
What a clown.
Your fake data is such a huge revelation, that every single major news organization is talking about it.

Not credible.  These documents are the authoritative source.  It must be stunning for you to actually see documented proof of obstruction of justice.  Saving your business partner and your sign from prosecution by withholding foreign aid money unless the prosecutor is fired.  tss tss.
https://johnsolomonreports.com/hunter-bidens-ukraine-gas-firm-pressed-obama-administration-to-end-corruption-allegations-memos-show/

Yes. Of course.
I'm rushing so quickly to go give you a "like" on your Twitter page.
It's so astonishing and revealing. Even better than when sliced bread was invented.
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« Reply #423 on: January 09, 2020, 09:19:33 PM »

LOL dude.  Yeah, I'm sure it's a huge revelation that you, scrappy internet sleuth, were able to dig up a report by John Solomon from two months ago when this whole story broke.  Of course if John Solomon had incriminating evidence about Hunter Biden, the conservative media would just ignore it, and it would take Hollywood from Atlas Forum to bring attention to it.

I took a look at your article and it's just a listing of snippets of meetings and correspondences, along with 100 links, with no apparent rhyme or reason or cohesive narrative to any of it.  How about you pick one memo.  Pick the one that you think is most incriminating, the most shocking memo that the mainstream media refuses to talk about.  Give us the primary source, ideally a direct link to a PDF of the memo along with the context for it.  Then we can actually take a look instead of you just copy and pasting stuff from Solomon's article.
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« Reply #424 on: January 09, 2020, 11:01:57 PM »

Joe Biden doesnt need defending, he is still favored to win, but due to Joe offending women and minorities with sexual harrassment and segregationist comment, voters feel that he will use them to get their votes, and forget them when election time come. That's why I refuse to donate to Biden.

Biden was in charge of Green energy jobs before the 2010 Boehner sweep and said there will be a federal jobs guarantee, but there was none. So, even Obama failed to produce jobs, just like Trump

Trump and Bush W just compound the problem by giving away massive tax cuts to the wealthy,  with no solution
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