Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v3 (pg 45 - mass-dropout aftermath)

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

I hope the voters this time look at electability instead of endorsements when selecting their nominee: Bernie does better in WI and MI than does Biden. Due to Trump's improving poll numbers

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Old Thread: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=323912.1975

Yes I split the proceeding post off. OP is getting a reward for his product.

[Orser67]

I hope the voters this time look at electability instead of endorsements when selecting their nominee: Bernie does better in WI and MI than does Biden. Due to Trump's improving poll numbers

Biden generally does better in national polling and state polling than all other Democratic candidates, with Sanders often in second. I think name recognition is still a factor for non-Biden/Sanders candidates, but it does seem possible that Biden genuinely does better with swing voters. As I posted in another thread:

Here's what the race looks like by RCP polling (using only the races where RCP gives an average):



Note that potentially competitive states/districts like GA, OH, and NE-2 didn't have averages.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Biden’s winning the nomination. I had a come to Jesus moment when Harris dropped out.

Warren, Sanders, and Pete are not penetrating his wall in the South.

At least it will just be one term.

[OSR stands with Israel]

Biden’s winning the nomination. I had a come to Jesus moment when Harris dropped out.

Warren, Sanders, and Pete are not penetrating his wall in the South.

At least it will just be one term.

Followed by President Haley or President DeSantis

[GeneralMacArthur]

OP isn't even true.  Biden is polling better than Bernie in WI, MI, and every other swing state other than IA (where they are virtually tied vs Trump).  Often substantially better than Bernie.

Furthermore this is after Trump and the right have spent months in 100% attack mode against Biden, pushing a gish gallop of deplorable accusations and theories.  And it hasn't made a dent.  Sanders, as usual, gets treated with kid gloves by the right.

[Xing]

At least it will just be one term.

Well, it still could be zero.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

OP isn't even true.  Biden is polling better than Bernie in WI, MI, and every other swing state other than IA (where they are virtually tied vs Trump).  Often substantially better than Bernie.

Furthermore this is after Trump and the right have spent months in 100% attack mode against Biden, pushing a gish gallop of deplorable accusations and theories.  And it hasn't made a dent.  Sanders, as usual, gets treated with kid gloves by the right.

So was  Hilary and she lost just like Biden will, when Trump unleash negative ads on Ujraine. Trump, says once Biden is nominated. he will use his money to attack Biden. Biden is losing ground to Trump and last WI poll showed Biden losing to Trump

Biden is crooked, that's why Bernie leads in IA, NH and Cali over Biden, Biden is stuck at 14%

[GeneralMacArthur]

OP isn't even true.  Biden is polling better than Bernie in WI, MI, and every other swing state other than IA (where they are virtually tied vs Trump).  Often substantially better than Bernie.

Furthermore this is after Trump and the right have spent months in 100% attack mode against Biden, pushing a gish gallop of deplorable accusations and theories.  And it hasn't made a dent.  Sanders, as usual, gets treated with kid gloves by the right.

So was  Hilary and she lost justlike Biden will, when Trump unleash negative ads on Ujraine. Trump, says once Biden is nominated. he will use his money to attack Biden. Biden is losing ground to Trump and last WI poll showed Biden losing to Trump

Right, I'm sure Biden is the only candidate Trump would spend money attacking.  Anyone else and Trump would just play golf the whole campaign.

The only difference between Biden and the field in this regard is that Trump is attacking Biden now.  We don't have to imagine how a general election would look because it's unfolding before our eyes.  Biden is running ads against Trump.  Trump is running ads against Biden.  Fox News, Breitbart and right-wing talk radio are in 24/7 anti-Biden mode.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Biden’s winning the nomination. I had a come to Jesus moment when Harris dropped out.

Warren, Sanders, and Pete are not penetrating his wall in the South.

At least it will just be one term.

Followed by President Haley or President DeSantis

Yuck!

[OSR stands with Israel]

Biden’s winning the nomination. I had a come to Jesus moment when Harris dropped out.

Warren, Sanders, and Pete are not penetrating his wall in the South.

At least it will just be one term.

Followed by President Haley or President DeSantis

Yuck!

You probably would like them more than W Bush or Trump

[Pick Up the Phone]

Biden’s winning the nomination. I had a come to Jesus moment when Harris dropped out.

Warren, Sanders, and Pete are not penetrating his wall in the South.

At least it will just be one term.

Followed by President Haley or President DeSantis

This is one scenario. Another one is that both Haley and DeSantis are completely irrelevant by 2024 and Biden's successor will be an extremely successful two-term democrat. Nobody knows what will happen in the next five years - take the case of France for example: quite a few people claimed in 2012 that electing a 'dangerous socialist' like Hollande would only pave the way for a more right-wing UMP/Republican candidate in 2017. But then the Republican candidate didn't even make the run-off and socialist-turned-centrist Macron got elected instead. There are no certainties in politics and people that are considered future presidents today might be political non-factors in a few years' time.

[ElectionsGuy]

Biden really is clueless with his latest ad if he thinks a few global elites laughing at Trump is going to convince any good amount of Obama/Trump voters.

[Rookie Yinzer]

Biden really is clueless with his latest ad if he thinks a few global elites laughing at Trump is going to convince any good amount of Obama/Trump voters.

It’s not for them though.

Romney/Clinton and Romney/Third Party voters are a thing and honestly how Democrats will be expanding the map. Biden is not going to do better than Clinton with poor and working class white people.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Biden is turning out to be Hilary II, with Ukraine and Benghazi redux, losing a 300 EC landslide to Trump and tied in WI and Bernie sneaking up on them both

[heatcharger]

ElectionsGuy has posted about 50 times since saying that he’d be posting less frequently. You really hate to see it.

[Beet]

Biden's yelling jag the other day was an embarrassment. It'd have been one thing if he'd said, "You're a damned liar," followed by a convincing explanation of why his son was on the board of a company he had no qualifications for. But getting mad without backing it up just proves it's a criticism that hurts... likely because it's true. The same with the pushup nonsense about his age. Biden is a walking disaster.

[Xing]

Biden’s winning the nomination. I had a come to Jesus moment when Harris dropped out.

Warren, Sanders, and Pete are not penetrating his wall in the South.

At least it will just be one term.

Followed by President Haley or President DeSantis

Yuck!

You probably would like them more than W Bush or Trump

And maybe more than cyanide and carbon monoxide as well!

[GeneralMacArthur]

Biden's yelling jag the other day was an embarrassment. It'd have been one thing if he'd said, "You're a damned liar," followed by a convincing explanation of why his son was on the board of a company he had no qualifications for. But getting mad without backing it up just proves it's a criticism that hurts... likely because it's true. The same with the pushup nonsense about his age. Biden is a walking disaster.

How many times does it need to be explained to you people that his son was qualified to be on the board?

How many times are Biden and his supporters expected to explain and re-explain and re-explain it before we're allowed to just say "shut up you Fox News zombie"

[heatcharger]

Biden's yelling jag the other day was an embarrassment. It'd have been one thing if he'd said, "You're a damned liar," followed by a convincing explanation of why his son was on the board of a company he had no qualifications for. But getting mad without backing it up just proves it's a criticism that hurts... likely because it's true. The same with the pushup nonsense about his age. Biden is a walking disaster.

Hunter Biden is a troubled man. His life has been plagued by drugs, tragedy, and unseemly behavior. For those reasons I probably wouldn't have him in any important roles. Still, this idea that oil executive boards have strict guidelines in who they select for them is laughable. If anyone has a thorough understanding of how Burisma used to select board members, then maybe they can criticize the addition of Hunter Biden. It's also a complete fiction that Joe Biden steered him to that company. Completely made up.

More to the point, Biden earned more goodwill with voters by making a raw, genuine stand for his only surviving son against right-wing lies than anything any other candidate has done in the race. It's better he hit back at this sedentary dolt who "saw it on the TV" than to let it fester with a weak response.

Biden's earthy, uninhibited style has helped him clear hurdles about his record and background in a much better way than say, Hillary's academic mannerisms, and it will in this case too.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Biden’s winning the nomination. I had a come to Jesus moment when Harris dropped out.

Warren, Sanders, and Pete are not penetrating his wall in the South.

At least it will just be one term.

Followed by President Haley Ted Nugent or President DeSantis James Woods.

[Beet]

Biden's yelling jag the other day was an embarrassment. It'd have been one thing if he'd said, "You're a damned liar," followed by a convincing explanation of why his son was on the board of a company he had no qualifications for. But getting mad without backing it up just proves it's a criticism that hurts... likely because it's true. The same with the pushup nonsense about his age. Biden is a walking disaster.

How many times does it need to be explained to you people that his son was qualified to be on the board?

How many times are Biden and his supporters expected to explain and re-explain and re-explain it before we're allowed to just say "shut up you Fox News zombie"

He qualified by being Hunter Biden, just as he qualified as a senior executive at Delaware based MBNA making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, as his first job out of law school. People know how the system works, and it stinks. Biden didn't show genuine emotion because he was being unfairly attacked. He showed genuine emotion because he knows the criticism is true and therefore it worries him that it'll be an effective liability against him. Biden's nepotism represents everything wrong with the system today and why people have long lost faith in the system.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Biden's yelling jag the other day was an embarrassment. It'd have been one thing if he'd said, "You're a damned liar," followed by a convincing explanation of why his son was on the board of a company he had no qualifications for. But getting mad without backing it up just proves it's a criticism that hurts... likely because it's true. The same with the pushup nonsense about his age. Biden is a walking disaster.

How many times does it need to be explained to you people that his son was qualified to be on the board?

How many times are Biden and his supporters expected to explain and re-explain and re-explain it before we're allowed to just say "shut up you Fox News zombie"

He qualified by being Hunter Biden, just as he qualified as a senior executive at Delaware based MBNA making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, as his first job out of law school. People know how the system works, and it stinks. Biden didn't show genuine emotion because he was being unfairly attacked. He showed genuine emotion because he knows the criticism is true and therefore it worries him that it'll be an effective liability against him. Biden's nepotism represents everything wrong with the system today and why people have long lost faith in the system.

Dude, he graduated from Yale Law.  That's as prestigious as it gets.

Hillary Rodham graduated from Yale Law and her first job was impeaching Nixon.  I suppose she got that job because she was a member of the famous Rodham family?

Smart people get good jobs.  This appears to be the scandal-of-the-week pattern this election cycle.  Joe Biden's son got good jobs.  Pete Buttigieg got good jobs.  Mike Bloomberg and Tom Steyer had such good jobs that they became billionaires.  If Deval Patrick was relevant people would be attacking him for his good jobs.

Is this the party we want?  Only knuckle-dragging morons and grocery-store clerks allowed?

[No War, but the War on Christmas]

Biden's yelling jag the other day was an embarrassment. It'd have been one thing if he'd said, "You're a damned liar," followed by a convincing explanation of why his son was on the board of a company he had no qualifications for. But getting mad without backing it up just proves it's a criticism that hurts... likely because it's true. The same with the pushup nonsense about his age. Biden is a walking disaster.

How many times does it need to be explained to you people that his son was qualified to be on the board?

How many times are Biden and his supporters expected to explain and re-explain and re-explain it before we're allowed to just say "shut up you Fox News zombie"

He qualified by being Hunter Biden, just as he qualified as a senior executive at Delaware based MBNA making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, as his first job out of law school. People know how the system works, and it stinks. Biden didn't show genuine emotion because he was being unfairly attacked. He showed genuine emotion because he knows the criticism is true and therefore it worries him that it'll be an effective liability against him. Biden's nepotism represents everything wrong with the system today and why people have long lost faith in the system.

Dude, he graduated from Yale Law.  That's as prestigious as it gets.

Hillary Rodham graduated from Yale Law and her first job was impeaching Nixon.  I suppose she got that job because she was a member of the famous Rodham family?

Smart people get good jobs. This appears to be the scandal-of-the-week pattern this election cycle.  Joe Biden's son got good jobs.  Pete Buttigieg got good jobs.  Mike Bloomberg and Tom Steyer had such good jobs that they became billionaires.  If Deval Patrick was relevant people would be attacking him for his good jobs.

Is this the party we want?  Only knuckle-dragging morons and grocery-store clerks allowed?

Way to mock the working class, and yet you wonder why more progressives don’t support your guy.

This stinks just like when Republicans attack AOC for being a former bartender.

[GeneralMacArthur]

Biden's yelling jag the other day was an embarrassment. It'd have been one thing if he'd said, "You're a damned liar," followed by a convincing explanation of why his son was on the board of a company he had no qualifications for. But getting mad without backing it up just proves it's a criticism that hurts... likely because it's true. The same with the pushup nonsense about his age. Biden is a walking disaster.

How many times does it need to be explained to you people that his son was qualified to be on the board?

How many times are Biden and his supporters expected to explain and re-explain and re-explain it before we're allowed to just say "shut up you Fox News zombie"

He qualified by being Hunter Biden, just as he qualified as a senior executive at Delaware based MBNA making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, as his first job out of law school. People know how the system works, and it stinks. Biden didn't show genuine emotion because he was being unfairly attacked. He showed genuine emotion because he knows the criticism is true and therefore it worries him that it'll be an effective liability against him. Biden's nepotism represents everything wrong with the system today and why people have long lost faith in the system.

Dude, he graduated from Yale Law.  That's as prestigious as it gets.

Hillary Rodham graduated from Yale Law and her first job was impeaching Nixon.  I suppose she got that job because she was a member of the famous Rodham family?

Smart people get good jobs. This appears to be the scandal-of-the-week pattern this election cycle.  Joe Biden's son got good jobs.  Pete Buttigieg got good jobs.  Mike Bloomberg and Tom Steyer had such good jobs that they became billionaires.  If Deval Patrick was relevant people would be attacking him for his good jobs.

Is this the party we want?  Only knuckle-dragging morons and grocery-store clerks allowed?

Way to mock the working class, and yet you wonder why more progressives don’t support your guy.

This stinks just like when Republicans attack AOC for being a former bartender.

"Knuckle-dragging morons" was in contrast to "smart people"

"Grocery-store clerks" was in contrast to "good jobs"

just to avoid any ambiguity.