Joe Biden 2020 campaign megathread v3 (pg 45 - mass-dropout aftermath)

[American2020]

Joe Biden has 99 problems, but Ukraine ain't one

t's time for Americans to take a closer look at former Vice President Joe Biden, the man who stands about an even chance or so of becoming America’s next president. Biden has been wronged by President Donald Trump, who withheld $391 million in military aid from Ukraine while pressuring that nation's leader to announce a spurious criminal investigation into Biden’s son, Hunter. That does not mean that Biden is a saint, or that his past is free of scandals. As far as Biden is concerned, the lesson we should learn from the impeachment hearings is not that he did nothing wrong, but rather that we should separate truth from fiction.

If Trump is right about one thing, he's right that Biden is in a very strong position to beat him in the 2020 presidential election. Who is this man that so many Americans refer to as “Uncle Joe?”

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/28/joe-biden-has-99-problems-ukraine-isnt-one-of-them/

[Illini Moderate]

Biden is turning out to be Hilary II, with Ukraine and Benghazi redux, losing a 300 EC landslide to Trump and tied in WI and Bernie sneaking up on them both

Your comments are so strange and logically flawed

[ProudModerate2]

Biden's yelling jag the other day was an embarrassment. It'd have been one thing if he'd said, "You're a damned liar," followed by a convincing explanation of why his son was on the board of a company he had no qualifications for. But getting mad without backing it up just proves it's a criticism that hurts... likely because it's true. The same with the pushup nonsense about his age. Biden is a walking disaster.

How many times does it need to be explained to you people that his son was qualified to be on the board?

How many times are Biden and his supporters expected to explain and re-explain and re-explain it before we're allowed to just say "shut up you Fox News zombie"

He qualified by being Hunter Biden, just as he qualified as a senior executive at Delaware based MBNA making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, as his first job out of law school. People know how the system works, and it stinks. Biden didn't show genuine emotion because he was being unfairly attacked. He showed genuine emotion because he knows the criticism is true and therefore it worries him that it'll be an effective liability against him. Biden's nepotism represents everything wrong with the system today and why people have long lost faith in the system.

Dude, he graduated from Yale Law.  That's as prestigious as it gets.

Hillary Rodham graduated from Yale Law and her first job was impeaching Nixon.  I suppose she got that job because she was a member of the famous Rodham family?

Smart people get good jobs. This appears to be the scandal-of-the-week pattern this election cycle.  Joe Biden's son got good jobs.  Pete Buttigieg got good jobs.  Mike Bloomberg and Tom Steyer had such good jobs that they became billionaires.  If Deval Patrick was relevant people would be attacking him for his good jobs.

Is this the party we want?  Only knuckle-dragging morons and grocery-store clerks allowed?

Way to mock the working class, and yet you wonder why more progressives don’t support your guy.
This stinks just like when Republicans attack AOC for being a former bartender.

A Biden supporter (GeneralMacArthur) makes a comment in Atlas, and you are going to attribute that comment as if Biden said it, and even blame Biden for it by saying "that's why progressives don't support him."
What kind of logic is that?

[ProudModerate2]

Biden really is clueless with his latest ad if he thinks a few global elites laughing at Trump is going to convince any good amount of Obama/Trump voters.

Have you recently been hiding under a rock?
It's not just "a few global elites" laughing at trump.
Over half of the American population is laughing at him.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Biden's yelling jag the other day was an embarrassment. It'd have been one thing if he'd said, "You're a damned liar," followed by a convincing explanation of why his son was on the board of a company he had no qualifications for. But getting mad without backing it up just proves it's a criticism that hurts... likely because it's true. The same with the pushup nonsense about his age. Biden is a walking disaster.

How many times does it need to be explained to you people that his son was qualified to be on the board?

How many times are Biden and his supporters expected to explain and re-explain and re-explain it before we're allowed to just say "shut up you Fox News zombie"

He qualified by being Hunter Biden, just as he qualified as a senior executive at Delaware based MBNA making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, as his first job out of law school. People know how the system works, and it stinks. Biden didn't show genuine emotion because he was being unfairly attacked. He showed genuine emotion because he knows the criticism is true and therefore it worries him that it'll be an effective liability against him. Biden's nepotism represents everything wrong with the system today and why people have long lost faith in the system.

Dude, he graduated from Yale Law.  That's as prestigious as it gets.

Hillary Rodham graduated from Yale Law and her first job was impeaching Nixon.  I suppose she got that job because she was a member of the famous Rodham family?

Smart people get good jobs.  This appears to be the scandal-of-the-week pattern this election cycle.  Joe Biden's son got good jobs.  Pete Buttigieg got good jobs.  Mike Bloomberg and Tom Steyer had such good jobs that they became billionaires.  If Deval Patrick was relevant people would be attacking him for his good jobs.

Is this the party we want?  Only knuckle-dragging morons and grocery-store clerks allowed?

You are confusing status with intellect. (Something far too common in America. For a prominent example, see: Trump, Donald.) Economic diversity and student outcomes at Yale University

The median family income of a student from Yale is $192,600, and 69% come from the top 20 percent. About 2.1% of students at Yale came from a poor family but became a rich adult.

With rare exceptions, prestigiously-credentialed and well-connected people get (very) good careers. Yes, Hunter Biden was qualified to be on the board of Burisma, by the standards on which the United States and Western international elite operate. But the underlying criticism revolves around a reasonably widespread perception that those standards are unjust, corrupt, and ultimately damaging to the general public. The "this was technically legal" defense is actively damaging in terms of its impact on the perceptions of much of the electorate.

I do not believe the Clinton family has broken any major laws related to charities, fundraising, etc regarding their wealth accumulation since the end of Bill Clinton's term. But that does not mean that what they, and many other prominent American politicians have done is not corrupt, it means we have terrible laws and very low standards regarding corruption by our political leaders. Americans can see what's going on. It's not like it isn't obvious! What people want is positive change, less corruption. In that context the, "this was technically legal" defense is rightfully seen in the public mind as an indictment, not exoneration.

(I'm not saying Biden cannot get elected because of this, or that Trump isn't himself crooked as hell. But I'm getting sick and tired of the idea that "technically legal" is a good defense. It isn't. It's a criticism of the system.)

[GeneralMacArthur]

Biden's yelling jag the other day was an embarrassment. It'd have been one thing if he'd said, "You're a damned liar," followed by a convincing explanation of why his son was on the board of a company he had no qualifications for. But getting mad without backing it up just proves it's a criticism that hurts... likely because it's true. The same with the pushup nonsense about his age. Biden is a walking disaster.

How many times does it need to be explained to you people that his son was qualified to be on the board?

How many times are Biden and his supporters expected to explain and re-explain and re-explain it before we're allowed to just say "shut up you Fox News zombie"

He qualified by being Hunter Biden, just as he qualified as a senior executive at Delaware based MBNA making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, as his first job out of law school. People know how the system works, and it stinks. Biden didn't show genuine emotion because he was being unfairly attacked. He showed genuine emotion because he knows the criticism is true and therefore it worries him that it'll be an effective liability against him. Biden's nepotism represents everything wrong with the system today and why people have long lost faith in the system.

Dude, he graduated from Yale Law.  That's as prestigious as it gets.

Hillary Rodham graduated from Yale Law and her first job was impeaching Nixon.  I suppose she got that job because she was a member of the famous Rodham family?

Smart people get good jobs.  This appears to be the scandal-of-the-week pattern this election cycle.  Joe Biden's son got good jobs.  Pete Buttigieg got good jobs.  Mike Bloomberg and Tom Steyer had such good jobs that they became billionaires.  If Deval Patrick was relevant people would be attacking him for his good jobs.

Is this the party we want?  Only knuckle-dragging morons and grocery-store clerks allowed?

You are confusing status with intellect. (Something far too common in America. For a prominent example, see: Trump, Donald.) Economic diversity and student outcomes at Yale University

The median family income of a student from Yale is $192,600, and 69% come from the top 20 percent. About 2.1% of students at Yale came from a poor family but became a rich adult.

With rare exceptions, prestigiously-credentialed and well-connected people get (very) good careers. Yes, Hunter Biden was qualified to be on the board of Burisma, by the standards on which the United States and Western international elite operate. But the underlying criticism revolves around a reasonably widespread perception that those standards are unjust, corrupt, and ultimately damaging to the general public. The "this was technically legal" defense is actively damaging in terms of its impact on the perceptions of much of the electorate.

I do not believe the Clinton family has broken any major laws related to charities, fundraising, etc regarding their wealth accumulation since the end of Bill Clinton's term. But that does not mean that what they, and many other prominent American politicians have done is not corrupt, it means we have terrible laws and very low standards regarding corruption by our political leaders. Americans can see what's going on. It's not like it isn't obvious! What people want is positive change, less corruption. In that context the, "this was technically legal" defense is rightfully seen in the public mind as an indictment, not exoneration.

(I'm not saying Biden cannot get elected because of this, or that Trump isn't himself crooked as hell. But I'm getting sick and tired of the idea that "technically legal" is a good defense. It isn't. It's a criticism of the system.)

You have to be smart to graduate from Yale Law.  Or at least to get good grades, which is a prerequisite for getting the kind of elite jobs we're talking about.  Trump isn't a counterexample as he didn't even get an MBA, probably because he wouldn't have been able to complete it.

[SInNYC]

Biden's yelling jag the other day was an embarrassment. It'd have been one thing if he'd said, "You're a damned liar," followed by a convincing explanation of why his son was on the board of a company he had no qualifications for. But getting mad without backing it up just proves it's a criticism that hurts... likely because it's true. The same with the pushup nonsense about his age. Biden is a walking disaster.

How many times does it need to be explained to you people that his son was qualified to be on the board?

How many times are Biden and his supporters expected to explain and re-explain and re-explain it before we're allowed to just say "shut up you Fox News zombie"

He qualified by being Hunter Biden, just as he qualified as a senior executive at Delaware based MBNA making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, as his first job out of law school. People know how the system works, and it stinks. Biden didn't show genuine emotion because he was being unfairly attacked. He showed genuine emotion because he knows the criticism is true and therefore it worries him that it'll be an effective liability against him. Biden's nepotism represents everything wrong with the system today and why people have long lost faith in the system.

Dude, he graduated from Yale Law.  That's as prestigious as it gets.

Hillary Rodham graduated from Yale Law and her first job was impeaching Nixon.  I suppose she got that job because she was a member of the famous Rodham family?

Smart people get good jobs.  This appears to be the scandal-of-the-week pattern this election cycle.  Joe Biden's son got good jobs.  Pete Buttigieg got good jobs.  Mike Bloomberg and Tom Steyer had such good jobs that they became billionaires.  If Deval Patrick was relevant people would be attacking him for his good jobs.

Is this the party we want?  Only knuckle-dragging morons and grocery-store clerks allowed?

You are confusing status with intellect. (Something far too common in America. For a prominent example, see: Trump, Donald.) Economic diversity and student outcomes at Yale University

The median family income of a student from Yale is $192,600, and 69% come from the top 20 percent. About 2.1% of students at Yale came from a poor family but became a rich adult.

With rare exceptions, prestigiously-credentialed and well-connected people get (very) good careers. Yes, Hunter Biden was qualified to be on the board of Burisma, by the standards on which the United States and Western international elite operate. But the underlying criticism revolves around a reasonably widespread perception that those standards are unjust, corrupt, and ultimately damaging to the general public. The "this was technically legal" defense is actively damaging in terms of its impact on the perceptions of much of the electorate.

I do not believe the Clinton family has broken any major laws related to charities, fundraising, etc regarding their wealth accumulation since the end of Bill Clinton's term. But that does not mean that what they, and many other prominent American politicians have done is not corrupt, it means we have terrible laws and very low standards regarding corruption by our political leaders. Americans can see what's going on. It's not like it isn't obvious! What people want is positive change, less corruption. In that context the, "this was technically legal" defense is rightfully seen in the public mind as an indictment, not exoneration.

(I'm not saying Biden cannot get elected because of this, or that Trump isn't himself crooked as hell. But I'm getting sick and tired of the idea that "technically legal" is a good defense. It isn't. It's a criticism of the system.)

You have to be smart to graduate from Yale Law.  Or at least to get good grades, which is a prerequisite for getting the kind of elite jobs we're talking about.  Trump isn't a counterexample as he didn't even get an MBA, probably because he wouldn't have been able to complete it.

Umm, nothing could be further from the truth. First of all, Yale Law doesnt give grades so there is no GPA, and they also dont rank students. Second, grade inflation is rampant with something like 2/3 of all grades at Yale (non-law) being A- or above (this is also true at Harvard and other comparable schools). Now you can make a decent case that you have to be smart to get into Yale, though even that is tempered by legacies.

[Progressive Pessimist]

Biden is turning out to be Hilary II, with Ukraine and Benghazi redux, losing a 300 EC landslide to Trump and tied in WI and Bernie sneaking up on them both

Your comments are so strange and logically flawed

That's his MO. It's better to just laugh at his posts and not try to think about them or respond to them.

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

Biden is turning out to be Hilary II, with Ukraine and Benghazi redux, losing a 300 EC landslide to Trump and tied in WI and Bernie sneaking up on them both

Your comments are so strange and logically flawed

That's his MO. It's better to just laugh at his posts and not try to think about them or respond to them.

Biden is corrupted,  every politician is; consequently,  Pelosi, Harris and Feinstein are defending Biden, while SF and LA have the biggest homelessness in the nation. Everywhere you go in Cali, there are tents and nationwide too. But, Trump, doesnt want to get rid of dirty money in politics; subsequently,  it's a wrap on Trump 😏😏😏

[Calthrina950]

Biden really is clueless with his latest ad if he thinks a few global elites laughing at Trump is going to convince any good amount of Obama/Trump voters.

In fact, Trump's voters will see this as proof that Biden is in "league" with these "globalists". And Trump could very well use this as evidence that he is getting on the bad side of exactly the right kinds of people.

[Calthrina950]

Biden really is clueless with his latest ad if he thinks a few global elites laughing at Trump is going to convince any good amount of Obama/Trump voters.

Have you recently been hiding under a rock?
It's not just "a few global elites" laughing at trump.
Over half of the American population is laughing at him.

Perhaps this is true-hence, why I think Trump will lose the popular vote. But that won't matter with the Electoral College, which is what will decide the election.

[junior chįmp]

God help us if this moron gets the nomination

Joe Biden is worried the Republican Party might get 'clobbered.'

"It’s not like there’s going to be some great epiphany and people are going to wake up and go, 'oh my God, I'm now a Democrat.' And if you hear people on the rope line saying, ‘I'm a Republican,’ I say, ‘Stay a Republican.’ Vote for me but stay a Republican, because we need a Republican Party."

He later added that he's concerned about what would happen if the Republican Party was totally "clobbered."

"I'm really worried that no party should have too much power," he said. "You need a countervailing force."

[Pericles]

God help us if this moron gets the nomination

Joe Biden is worried the Republican Party might get 'clobbered.'

"It’s not like there’s going to be some great epiphany and people are going to wake up and go, 'oh my God, I'm now a Democrat.' And if you hear people on the rope line saying, ‘I'm a Republican,’ I say, ‘Stay a Republican.’ Vote for me but stay a Republican, because we need a Republican Party."

He later added that he's concerned about what would happen if the Republican Party was totally "clobbered."

"I'm really worried that no party should have too much power," he said. "You need a countervailing force."

Ugh, yet another terrible statement from Biden. Republicans need to be clobbered, only if they keep getting clobbered is there any hope of them returning to some level of sanity.

[junior chįmp]

God help us if this moron gets the nomination

Joe Biden is worried the Republican Party might get 'clobbered.'

"It’s not like there’s going to be some great epiphany and people are going to wake up and go, 'oh my God, I'm now a Democrat.' And if you hear people on the rope line saying, ‘I'm a Republican,’ I say, ‘Stay a Republican.’ Vote for me but stay a Republican, because we need a Republican Party."

He later added that he's concerned about what would happen if the Republican Party was totally "clobbered."

"I'm really worried that no party should have too much power," he said. "You need a countervailing force."

Ugh, yet another terrible statement from Biden. Republicans need to be clobbered, only if they keep getting clobbered is there any hope of them returning to some level of sanity.

Imagine in 1932 if FDR said "don't clobber the GOP....the Great  Depression is the result of #BothSides.....we need more Republicans in Congress to moderate the New Deal"

[President Johnson]

God help us if this moron gets the nomination

Joe Biden is worried the Republican Party might get 'clobbered.'

"It’s not like there’s going to be some great epiphany and people are going to wake up and go, 'oh my God, I'm now a Democrat.' And if you hear people on the rope line saying, ‘I'm a Republican,’ I say, ‘Stay a Republican.’ Vote for me but stay a Republican, because we need a Republican Party."

He later added that he's concerned about what would happen if the Republican Party was totally "clobbered."

"I'm really worried that no party should have too much power," he said. "You need a countervailing force."

What he means that there needs to be a stable two party system with a sane Republican Party that embraces center-right policies and not Trumpism/Tea Party. However, the current Republican Party of Trump and Moscow Mitch needs to burn to the ground be rebuilt by folks like John Kasich, Arnold Schwarzenegger or Larry Hogan.

Harry Truman made similar statement in 1952 when he declined to seek reelection. Let's not make this a bigger deal than it is.

[Lambsbread]

Considering you previously supported Trump, I don’t think anyone should take your opinion on the Republican Party seriously.

The GOP does not need to be “saved” or “preserved”. If Biden really feels that way, he should primary Trump and see how many “truly good” Republicans there are. In reality, there are few (if any) who care about restoring the values that Joe so desperately wants to see return to the mainstream. Those values, by the way, include Reagan’s economic policy, Dubya’s foreign policy, and the type of social conservative pearl clutching that prolonged the fight for marriage equality, among other things.

Joe Biden thinking that the Republicans don’t deserve to be taught a lesson for their embrace of a proto-fascist because he thinks politics has to be nice and fair is downright embarrassing. This is the same guy who gave a eulogy for Strom Thurmond and proudly proclaimed that Delaware was a slave state. He’s a joke of a candidate if he truly believes what he said.

[free my dawg]

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[President Johnson]

Considering you previously supported Trump, I don’t think anyone should take your opinion on the Republican Party seriously.

The GOP does not need to be “saved” or “preserved”. If Biden really feels that way, he should primary Trump and see how many “truly good” Republicans there are. In reality, there are few (if any) who care about restoring the values that Joe so desperately wants to see return to the mainstream. Those values, by the way, include Reagan’s economic policy, Dubya’s foreign policy, and the type of social conservative pearl clutching that prolonged the fight for marriage equality, among other things.

Joe Biden thinking that the Republicans don’t deserve to be taught a lesson for their embrace of a proto-fascist because he thinks politics has to be nice and fair is downright embarrassing. This is the same guy who gave a eulogy for Strom Thurmond and proudly proclaimed that Delaware was a slave state. He’s a joke of a candidate if he truly believes what he said.

Lmao, Joe Biden has been a Democrat since 1969 and the suggestion by left-wingers to have him run in a Republican primary is just ridiculous. What would you guys say if I suggested Saint Bernard (who isn’t even a Democrat) and Liz should run in a Socialist primary? They are more socialist than Uncle Joe is supporting “Republican talking points”. Joe Biden is a moderate to liberal Democrat, just not a socialist. What Joe Biden actually wants is restoring a two party system in which the Republican Party is a big-tent center-right party and the Democratic Party is big-tent center-left party. Where are serious disagreements between parties and their elected officials, but where is the will to work across the aisle, which the American system and even most parliamentary forms of government require. And where civility is restored to the political discourse, instead of personal slanders and baseless accusations.

It’s also ridiculous to say Joe Biden and the likes of him supported large parts of the Reagan and Bush agendas. They opposed a lot and have made compromises because these men where the president at the time. Some of which he, to his credit, regretted later on. If everything becomes a purity test, not a lot of things to improve people's lives get done. I mean, the same people now hammer Obama for not going far enough with the Affordable Care Act, ignoring the fact it was already very tough to pass and improved the situation substantially for millions of people.

[swf541]

God help us if this moron gets the nomination

Joe Biden is worried the Republican Party might get 'clobbered.'

"It’s not like there’s going to be some great epiphany and people are going to wake up and go, 'oh my God, I'm now a Democrat.' And if you hear people on the rope line saying, ‘I'm a Republican,’ I say, ‘Stay a Republican.’ Vote for me but stay a Republican, because we need a Republican Party."

He later added that he's concerned about what would happen if the Republican Party was totally "clobbered."

"I'm really worried that no party should have too much power," he said. "You need a countervailing force."

Ugh, yet another terrible statement from Biden. Republicans need to be clobbered, only if they keep getting clobbered is there any hope of them returning to some level of sanity.

Imagine in 1932 if FDR said "don't clobber the GOP....the Great  Depression is the result of #BothSides.....we need more Republicans in Congress to moderate the New Deal"

I for one like to live in a non-one party state so.....

[Amenhotep Bakari-Sellers]

The Kerry endorsement has stopped the damage, that Ukraine scandal has placed on Biden. It was a net plus for Kerry to endorse Biden

[Pericles]

God help us if this moron gets the nomination

Joe Biden is worried the Republican Party might get 'clobbered.'

"It’s not like there’s going to be some great epiphany and people are going to wake up and go, 'oh my God, I'm now a Democrat.' And if you hear people on the rope line saying, ‘I'm a Republican,’ I say, ‘Stay a Republican.’ Vote for me but stay a Republican, because we need a Republican Party."

He later added that he's concerned about what would happen if the Republican Party was totally "clobbered."

"I'm really worried that no party should have too much power," he said. "You need a countervailing force."

Ugh, yet another terrible statement from Biden. Republicans need to be clobbered, only if they keep getting clobbered is there any hope of them returning to some level of sanity.

Imagine in 1932 if FDR said "don't clobber the GOP....the Great  Depression is the result of #BothSides.....we need more Republicans in Congress to moderate the New Deal"

I for one like to live in a non-one party state so.....

Better a one-party state with a sane party than a two-party state where one of the parties is insane.

[💥💥 brandon bro (he/him/his)]

Why do journalists keep discussing the Burisma business as if the absence of a prosecutable crime means that it's not a problem for Biden? It looks shady, particularly given Hunter Biden's personal history.

Moreover, Biden's denial that his son was profiting off of his vice presidency might look more hypocritical than anything that HRC did in the previous cycle. On top of all of that, Hunter continues to make colorful headlines every few weeks.

Trump's accusations make no more sense than you would expect, but isn't it reasonable to feel nervous about this? This just isn't a candidate who could pull of something like Barack Obama's Jeremiah Wright speech. Whether it's Willie Horton, Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, or "her emails," Republicans always seem to win against candidates who can't turn their attempts at character assassination against them.

I agree. Even if there's no actual wrongdoing on Joe's part it's the perception of elites playing by special rules that made the Clintons immensely unpopular and it contributed a lot to her losing in 2016.

On the other hand... perplexingly we're seeing this having close to no effect on Biden's polling numbers. Maybe he had such an honest reputation before this that Burisma isn't overwhelming people's priors. Maybe it is shifting people's opinions but not being reflected in polls. Maybe once we reached the general election phase people's attitudes would shift. I don't know.

Biden's relatively stable poll numbers is really the most interesting story of the entire primary so far. I've been worried about his electability and elite, insider status for months now (not just Burisma but also the Iraq War vote, quite literally being a career politician, etc.) especially given that we know Trump's playbook is going to be to dirty up his opponent and he did this mastfully against Clinton. But, I'm starting to come around to the opinion that maybe (the majority of) voters just don't care as much as we all thought.

[Bidenworth2020]

I agree. Even if there's no actual wrongdoing on Joe's part it's the perception of elites playing by special rules that made the Clintons immensely unpopular and it contributed a lot to her losing in 2016.

On the other hand... perplexingly we're seeing this having close to no effect on Biden's polling numbers. Maybe he had such an honest reputation before this that Burisma isn't overwhelming people's priors. Maybe it is shifting people's opinions but not being reflected in polls. Maybe once we reached the general election phase people's attitudes would shift. I don't know.

Biden's relatively stable poll numbers is really the most interesting story of the entire primary so far. I've been worried about his electability and elite, insider status for months now (not just Burisma but also the Iraq War vote, quite literally being a career politician, etc.) especially given that we know Trump's playbook is going to be to dirty up his opponent and he did this mastfully against Clinton. But, I'm starting to come around to the opinion that maybe (the majority of) voters just don't care as much as we all thought.

It's too early to say with primary voters. The most persuadable people aren't thinking about the race and the other candidates have treated the issue as taboo. Most polls show at least a moderate decline in Biden's favorability among Democrats over the past year, although there are a number of factors weighing on that.

No one seems to know what to make of Biden's stable national polling numbers. I am less inclined to interpret them favorably given (1) his relatively low standing in the early primaries and Super Tuesday states outside of the South (2) that 30% is a weak showing for a former VP and (3) stagnation is not a healthy sign in the midst of a churning field.

Fortunately for Biden, his competition continues to look weak, and it has never been so divided as it has been for the past month. I have trouble imagining any of Warren, Buttigieg, Bloomberg, or even Sanders pulling a majority together against him as the field winnows.

Well no duh his favorables have decreased, he's been the victim of a media onslaught for months straight! And no, 30% in an 18 candidate primary against someone who got 45% of the vote in the last primary is not a "bad showing." I know you do not like Biden because he is a zombie or whatever, but letting it affect your predictions so heavily is not a good look.

[Hammy]

God help us if this moron gets the nomination

Joe Biden is worried the Republican Party might get 'clobbered.'

"It’s not like there’s going to be some great epiphany and people are going to wake up and go, 'oh my God, I'm now a Democrat.' And if you hear people on the rope line saying, ‘I'm a Republican,’ I say, ‘Stay a Republican.’ Vote for me but stay a Republican, because we need a Republican Party."

He later added that he's concerned about what would happen if the Republican Party was totally "clobbered."

"I'm really worried that no party should have too much power," he said. "You need a countervailing force."

I'm tempted to say Biden at this point is worse than Trump--while the Republican government is essentially evil at this point, Biden sees this evil, acknowledges it (by running against it) and still thinks it's an acceptable thing we should keep around.

[junior chįmp]

Joe Biden thinking that the Republicans don’t deserve to be taught a lesson for their embrace of a proto-fascist because he thinks politics has to be nice and fair is downright embarrassing. This is the same guy who gave a eulogy for Strom Thurmond and proudly proclaimed that Delaware was a slave state. He’s a joke of a candidate if he truly believes what he said.

In all fairness....he was saying the same thing about the GOP during Watergate back in 1973:

https://mobile.twitter.com/studentactivism/status/1203704068339834880

https://mobile.twitter.com/studentactivism/status/1203705111488483328

https://mobile.twitter.com/studentactivism/status/1203706710331969541

Also....let's not forget....Watergate was actually #BothSides fault:

https://mobile.twitter.com/studentactivism/status/1203705673734918144

But dont worry....this time it'll be different! Uncle Joe is just pretending to be for bipartisanship.