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« Reply #525 on: February 16, 2020, 04:17:26 PM »

Bloomberg is probably worse than Trump, more racist, more sexist & more of an oligarch. He treats women like scum.

If Trump was running on a D Ticket & was surrounded by Democratic politicians, he will 100% better than Bloomberg, far more liberal. Bloomberg, a racist & a sexist buying the nomination probably should be followed by a Trump 2nd Term, filling the Court with conservative judges so that Democrats don't even think of nominating a racist, sexist, evil oligarch.
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Bloomberg has been sued by 40 women in 64 cases of sexual harassment. If that is who Democrats want to nominate, then they deserved to die as a party.

Literally everything you accuse Bloomberg of being is what Trump has been accused of as well: a rich, self-absorbed, racist, sexual abuser.

That is a great argument for not nominating Bloomberg. Last time I checked, the whole point of being the opposition to Donald Trump is actually being the opposite of Donald Trump, not the exact same except in blue.

Bloomberg, awful as he is, is not even remotely as bad as Trump nor are the two particularly similar.  I get that the Bernie camp is gonna be pushing this narrative as hard as they can and that makes sense from a strategic perspective, but it's also a load of BS.
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« Reply #526 on: February 16, 2020, 04:22:54 PM »

Bloomberg is increasingly looking like a Ronald Hump candidate:


This reminds me of the dumb "turnout was moderate" cartoon Jfern used to have in his sig back when he was insisting that Obama would lose in 2012 b/c he was an evil Moderate Hero or some such nonsense.

Good thing that Hillary easily defeated Trump like everyone thought she would.
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« Reply #527 on: February 16, 2020, 04:24:31 PM »

Bloomberg is increasingly looking like a Ronald Hump candidate:


This reminds me of the dumb "turnout was moderate" cartoon Jfern used to have in his sig back when he was insisting that Obama would lose in 2012 b/c he was an evil Moderate Hero or some such nonsense.

Good thing that Hillary easily defeated Trump like everyone thought she would.

Good thing that Obama easily defeated Romney.  I guess turnout wasn't moderate in 2012 after all Tongue
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« Reply #528 on: February 16, 2020, 04:32:00 PM »

Cor, imagine if the US presidential election is two billionaires running against each other. That's the kind of thing you expect from post-Soviet banana republics and West African kleptocracies; not a wealthy country that claims to be an advanced democracy Confused
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« Reply #529 on: February 16, 2020, 04:33:58 PM »

Cor, imagine if the US presidential election is two billionaires running against each other. That's the kind of thing you expect from post-Soviet banana republics and West African kleptocracies; not a wealthy country that claims to be an advanced democracy Confused

Trump's not a billionaire Tongue  Although obviously, Bloomberg is a self-made one.
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« Reply #530 on: February 16, 2020, 04:47:36 PM »

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« Reply #531 on: February 16, 2020, 04:53:02 PM »

Bloomberg is probably worse than Trump, more racist, more sexist & more of an oligarch. He treats women like scum.

If Trump was running on a D Ticket & was surrounded by Democratic politicians, he will 100% better than Bloomberg, far more liberal. Bloomberg, a racist & a sexist buying the nomination probably should be followed by a Trump 2nd Term, filling the Court with conservative judges so that Democrats don't even think of nominating a racist, sexist, evil oligarch.
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Bloomberg has been sued by 40 women in 64 cases of sexual harassment. If that is who Democrats want to nominate, then they deserved to die as a party.


How do 40 women have 64 cases against him? Also aren't most billionaires sued by disgruntled people  trying to cash in.

Like Bezos' girlfriends brother

Wow. You truly are a horribly ignorant sexist..

No politics involved here. Your post just demonstrates a fundamental lack of character and real world comprehension.
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« Reply #532 on: February 16, 2020, 05:40:06 PM »



This is really going to hurt Bloomberg with the nursing home vote, which is a huge part of Klobuchar's support in Florida.

In order for a "moderate" candidate to win, they have to consolidate the nursing home vote and win 100% of it, and Bloomberg just shot his chances of doing so into pieces.
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« Reply #533 on: February 16, 2020, 05:41:45 PM »



This is really going to hurt Bloomberg with the nursing home vote, which is a huge part of Klobuchar's support in Florida.

In order for a "moderate" candidate to win, they have to consolidate the nursing home vote and win 100% of it, and Bloomberg just shot his chances of doing so into pieces.

Nah, those folks are gonna come out in droves for Bloomberg in Florida.
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« Reply #534 on: February 16, 2020, 05:42:05 PM »

So last week I talked to this older black woman on my local Democratic Committee and she told me she was going from Biden to Bloomberg.

I called her today to see what she was thinking after Bloomberg’s tumultuous week. She said it made her support him even more because it must mean Trump is scared. Obviously this is anecdotal but older black voters are not going to run away because Twitter roasted him.
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« Reply #535 on: February 16, 2020, 06:00:16 PM »

So last week I talked to this older black woman on my local Democratic Committee and she told me she was going from Biden to Bloomberg.

I called her today to see what she was thinking after Bloomberg’s tumultuous week. She said it made her support him even more because it must mean Trump is scared. Obviously this is anecdotal but older black voters are not going to run away because Twitter roasted him.

Interesting
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« Reply #536 on: February 16, 2020, 06:06:05 PM »

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« Reply #537 on: February 16, 2020, 06:23:48 PM »



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« Reply #538 on: February 16, 2020, 06:28:45 PM »



It’s important to note that this is from a long time ago and Bloomberg has been in favor of a public option since 2009.
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« Reply #539 on: February 16, 2020, 06:45:08 PM »
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Bernie "I voted for the Clinton Mass Incarceration Bill Because We Need More Jails" criticizing Bloomberg for stop and frisk is just rich. The only candidate who has a clean criminal justice in this race is Elizabeth Warren.

If you think voting for a massive bill that included VAWA and the “crime bill” is anywhere near as bad as favoring stop and frisk as mayor think again. I was for her most of the cycle but Warren doesn’t really have much of a record on criminal justice period just because she wasn’t in Congress till 2013 and was a bankruptcy professor before that.
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« Reply #540 on: February 16, 2020, 06:50:27 PM »

Bloomberg is probably worse than Trump, more racist, more sexist & more of an oligarch. He treats women like scum.

If Trump was running on a D Ticket & was surrounded by Democratic politicians, he will 100% better than Bloomberg, far more liberal. Bloomberg, a racist & a sexist buying the nomination probably should be followed by a Trump 2nd Term, filling the Court with conservative judges so that Democrats don't even think of nominating a racist, sexist, evil oligarch.
https://youtu.be/uq-v1TTUyhM

Bloomberg has been sued by 40 women in 64 cases of sexual harassment. If that is who Democrats want to nominate, then they deserved to die as a party.


How do 40 women have 64 cases against him? Also aren't most billionaires sued by disgruntled people  trying to cash in.

Like Bezos' girlfriends brother

Wow. You truly are a horribly ignorant sexist..

No politics involved here. Your post just demonstrates a fundamental lack of character and real world comprehension.

You do this every time someone doubts a sexual assault case.   While some horrifying sexual assault cases exist, a lot of super rich businessmen entertainers, and athletes are accused of sexual assault just for a pay day.  Not everyone is Bill Cosby or Jeffrey Epstein.  There are many super rich people accused of sexual assault or rape that have been extorted by women with whom they've had consensual sexual relations, especially men that are married.  

Kobe Bryant is one of many athletes that had to settle a civil case in which the accuser refused to testify against him in criminal court.  She admitted to giving Kobe Bryant consent to make out, but didn't consent to sex with a married man at a hotel.  Roethlisberger is another athlete where the accuser went to police, but didn't want to bring criminal charges against the athlete.  Instead she sought a settlement after her lawyer's filed a civil suit.  This the reason rich people make women sign non-disclosure agreements.  

Bryan Singer was also civilly sued for sexual assault/rape that occurred in Hawaii after previously being accused for sexual abuse of a minor, but his lawyers proved he wasn't in Hawaii at the time the accuser claimed.  Kavanaugh was falsely accused by Julie Swetnick after Blasey Ford came forward.  It was found out that she falsely accused four other men of sexual harassment at a company called Webtrend after she was fired, but human resources had her fired cause they received two reports from male co-workers stating that Swetnick had engaged in unwelcome sexual innuendos.  
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« Reply #541 on: February 16, 2020, 06:59:02 PM »




Bernie surrogates trying to become the new McCarthy for the left. This disgusting behavior was condemned by Bernie yet he continues to hired the same people who want to see the Earth burn in fire. Why do we give Bernie Sanders a pat on the back when this kind of rhetoric will further lead to the eventual collapse of the American exceptionalism?


There is no shred of human dignity in much of Bernie's camp.
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« Reply #542 on: February 16, 2020, 07:26:22 PM »

Bloomberg, awful as he is, is not even remotely as bad as Trump nor are the two particularly similar.  I get that the Bernie camp is gonna be pushing this narrative as hard as they can and that makes sense from a strategic perspective, but it's also a load of BS.

The complacency of the center-left in this country never fails to astound me. Why do people keep trying to revive the "At least our guy is better than the other guy" argument? It has never worked; it failed miserably in 2016 and it will fail again because turnout among your base can only be increased by putting forth a positive argument for your candidate. If you hate Trump and everything he stands for, the way to excite the base and present a credible case against him is to contrast with him, not to capitulate to the style of politics he's created and to compromise all of your morals in exactly the same way Republicans have.

Jesus effing Christ, isn't this common sense?
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« Reply #543 on: February 16, 2020, 07:34:00 PM »

Bloomberg is probably worse than Trump, more racist, more sexist & more of an oligarch. He treats women like scum.

If Trump was running on a D Ticket & was surrounded by Democratic politicians, he will 100% better than Bloomberg, far more liberal. Bloomberg, a racist & a sexist buying the nomination probably should be followed by a Trump 2nd Term, filling the Court with conservative judges so that Democrats don't even think of nominating a racist, sexist, evil oligarch.
https://youtu.be/uq-v1TTUyhM

Bloomberg has been sued by 40 women in 64 cases of sexual harassment. If that is who Democrats want to nominate, then they deserved to die as a party.


How do 40 women have 64 cases against him? Also aren't most billionaires sued by disgruntled people  trying to cash in.

Like Bezos' girlfriends brother

Wow. You truly are a horribly ignorant sexist..

No politics involved here. Your post just demonstrates a fundamental lack of character and real world comprehension.

You do this every time someone doubts a sexual assault case.   While some horrifying sexual assault cases exist, a lot of super rich businessmen entertainers, and athletes are accused of sexual assault just for a pay day.  Not everyone is Bill Cosby or Jeffrey Epstein.  There are many super rich people accused of sexual assault or rape that have been extorted by women with whom they've had consensual sexual relations, especially men that are married.  

Kobe Bryant is one of many athletes that had to settle a civil case in which the accuser refused to testify against him in criminal court.  She admitted to giving Kobe Bryant consent to make out, but didn't consent to sex with a married man at a hotel.  Roethlisberger is another athlete where the accuser went to police, but didn't want to bring criminal charges against the athlete.  Instead she sought a settlement after her lawyer's filed a civil suit.  This the reason rich people make women sign non-disclosure agreements.  

Bryan Singer was also civilly sued for sexual assault/rape that occurred in Hawaii after previously being accused for sexual abuse of a minor, but his lawyers proved he wasn't in Hawaii at the time the accuser claimed.  Kavanaugh was falsely accused by Julie Swetnick after Blasey Ford came forward.  It was found out that she falsely accused four other men of sexual harassment at a company called Webtrend after she was fired, but human resources had her fired cause they received two reports from male co-workers stating that Swetnick had engaged in unwelcome sexual innuendos.  

So Badger believes Kobe actually sexually assaulted a woman, and that all the allegations against him are true?

If he's got any character, he'll make it plain on Atlas what he things of that.  Otherwise, if Badger has any character, he can apologize, online, in this thread, to JacksonHitchcock for his uncalled for ad hominem personal attack.

I'm sick of Badger having it both ways.
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« Reply #544 on: February 16, 2020, 07:35:55 PM »

Bloomberg, awful as he is, is not even remotely as bad as Trump nor are the two particularly similar.  I get that the Bernie camp is gonna be pushing this narrative as hard as they can and that makes sense from a strategic perspective, but it's also a load of BS.

The complacency of the center-left in this country never fails to astound me. Why do people keep trying to revive the "At least our guy is better than the other guy" argument? It has never worked; it failed miserably in 2016 and it will fail again because turnout among your base can only be increased by putting forth a positive argument for your candidate. If you hate Trump and everything he stands for, the way to excite the base and present a credible case against him is to contrast with him, not to capitulate to the style of politics he's created and to compromise all of your morals in exactly the same way Republicans have.

Jesus effing Christ, isn't this common sense?

You don’t have to convince me, Chief; I’m not a Bloomberg supporter Tongue  I just think he’s far better than Trump.
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« Reply #545 on: February 16, 2020, 08:09:50 PM »



"Random Sanders supporter upset someone is supporting Bloomberg...and it's all on Twitter!"
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« Reply #546 on: February 16, 2020, 08:11:36 PM »

Bloomberg is probably worse than Trump, more racist, more sexist & more of an oligarch. He treats women like scum.

If Trump was running on a D Ticket & was surrounded by Democratic politicians, he will 100% better than Bloomberg, far more liberal. Bloomberg, a racist & a sexist buying the nomination probably should be followed by a Trump 2nd Term, filling the Court with conservative judges so that Democrats don't even think of nominating a racist, sexist, evil oligarch.
https://youtu.be/uq-v1TTUyhM

Bloomberg has been sued by 40 women in 64 cases of sexual harassment. If that is who Democrats want to nominate, then they deserved to die as a party.


How do 40 women have 64 cases against him? Also aren't most billionaires sued by disgruntled people  trying to cash in.

Like Bezos' girlfriends brother

Wow. You truly are a horribly ignorant sexist..

No politics involved here. Your post just demonstrates a fundamental lack of character and real world comprehension.

You do this every time someone doubts a sexual assault case.   While some horrifying sexual assault cases exist, a lot of super rich businessmen entertainers, and athletes are accused of sexual assault just for a pay day.  Not everyone is Bill Cosby or Jeffrey Epstein.  There are many super rich people accused of sexual assault or rape that have been extorted by women with whom they've had consensual sexual relations, especially men that are married.  

Kobe Bryant is one of many athletes that had to settle a civil case in which the accuser refused to testify against him in criminal court.  She admitted to giving Kobe Bryant consent to make out, but didn't consent to sex with a married man at a hotel.  Roethlisberger is another athlete where the accuser went to police, but didn't want to bring criminal charges against the athlete.  Instead she sought a settlement after her lawyer's filed a civil suit.  This the reason rich people make women sign non-disclosure agreements.  

Bryan Singer was also civilly sued for sexual assault/rape that occurred in Hawaii after previously being accused for sexual abuse of a minor, but his lawyers proved he wasn't in Hawaii at the time the accuser claimed.  Kavanaugh was falsely accused by Julie Swetnick after Blasey Ford came forward.  It was found out that she falsely accused four other men of sexual harassment at a company called Webtrend after she was fired, but human resources had her fired cause they received two reports from male co-workers stating that Swetnick had engaged in unwelcome sexual innuendos.  

So Badger believes Kobe actually sexually assaulted a woman, and that all the allegations against him are true?

If he's got any character, he'll make it plain on Atlas what he things of that.  Otherwise, if Badger has any character, he can apologize, online, in this thread, to JacksonHitchcock for his uncalled for ad hominem personal attack.

I'm sick of Badger having it both ways.

Just for the record, I hate the fact that I'm defending Mike Bloomberg, but I take sexual assault cases very seriously.  I like to look at all the evidence before making a judgment.  

Based on past history, I am of the belief that Badger believes all accusations of sexual assault, and detests most criticisms of an accuser's story.  Badger would have to comment about Kobe, as I'm unsure about his true thoughts on that particular case and don't want to put words into his mouth.  

I think there are a lot of people concerned about historically prejudicial treatment of women in sexual assault cases that has spawned this ridiculously rigid position to "believe all women".   I think it's fair to do so when an accuser goes to the police for help, and it's certainly fair for people to want the public to take an initial criminal claim at face value.  It isn't fair to wholeheartedly disbelieve an accused person's denial, or the presentation of evidence contradicting an accusation.  Even past instances of accusers lying about sexual assault should be considered.  It's regressive.  The changes in procedure and substantive legal thought that the "Metoo" movement has proposed is basically just taking the racist social policies, procedures, practices and thoughts used against African Americans in rape cases, and extending these injustices to all men in general to correct a historical wrong.  When you look back at studies that examined the racism involved in cases, liberals often cited the public belief of punishing black men when white women make claims.  It was essentially "believe all white women that accuse black men".  
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« Reply #547 on: February 16, 2020, 08:13:24 PM »

Bloomberg, awful as he is, is not even remotely as bad as Trump nor are the two particularly similar.  I get that the Bernie camp is gonna be pushing this narrative as hard as they can and that makes sense from a strategic perspective, but it's also a load of BS.

The complacency of the center-left in this country never fails to astound me. Why do people keep trying to revive the "At least our guy is better than the other guy" argument? It has never worked; it failed miserably in 2016 and it will fail again because turnout among your base can only be increased by putting forth a positive argument for your candidate. If you hate Trump and everything he stands for, the way to excite the base and present a credible case against him is to contrast with him, not to capitulate to the style of politics he's created and to compromise all of your morals in exactly the same way Republicans have.

Jesus effing Christ, isn't this common sense?

You don’t have to convince me, Chief; I’m not a Bloomberg supporter Tongue  I just think he’s far better than Trump.

I think you are underestimating just how stupid Democrats will look if they nominate a racist/sexist billionaire in 2020 after four years of (apparently feigned) outrage.
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« Reply #548 on: February 16, 2020, 09:50:03 PM »

Bloomberg, awful as he is, is not even remotely as bad as Trump nor are the two particularly similar.  I get that the Bernie camp is gonna be pushing this narrative as hard as they can and that makes sense from a strategic perspective, but it's also a load of BS.

The complacency of the center-left in this country never fails to astound me. Why do people keep trying to revive the "At least our guy is better than the other guy" argument? It has never worked; it failed miserably in 2016 and it will fail again because turnout among your base can only be increased by putting forth a positive argument for your candidate. If you hate Trump and everything he stands for, the way to excite the base and present a credible case against him is to contrast with him, not to capitulate to the style of politics he's created and to compromise all of your morals in exactly the same way Republicans have.

Jesus effing Christ, isn't this common sense?

You don’t have to convince me, Chief; I’m not a Bloomberg supporter Tongue  I just think he’s far better than Trump.

I think you are underestimating just how stupid Democrats will look if they nominate a racist/sexist billionaire in 2020 after four years of (apparently feigned) outrage.

I think Bloomberg is the most likely nominee, sadly.  If we're gonna take a massive gamble though, why not at least do it with someone like Bernie who actually...you know...excites Democrats.  If we lose, at least we'll have lost fighting for our principles.  But what do I know?  Tongue
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« Reply #549 on: February 16, 2020, 11:12:34 PM »

Bernie "I voted for the Clinton Mass Incarceration Bill Because We Need More Jails" criticizing Bloomberg for stop and frisk is just rich. The only candidate who has a clean criminal justice in this race is Elizabeth Warren.

If you think voting for a massive bill that included VAWA and the “crime bill” is anywhere near as bad as favoring stop and frisk as mayor think again. I was for her most of the cycle but Warren doesn’t really have much of a record on criminal justice period just because she wasn’t in Congress till 2013 and was a bankruptcy professor before that.

He didn't vote for it for VAWA. That's what he claimed until video was unearthed with him saying he voted for it because it was a good approach to criminal justice and "we need more jails." The Clintons actually apologized for their support for the bill, even Hillary who didn't even vote for it. Bernie has not apologized for it. He was touting it as recently as 2006, citing not VAWA but as part of his "strong record of supporting tough on crime legislation."
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