The 2015 Radical Movement stands by fhtagn!

[lfromnj]

Threads like this are exactly why I'm probably leaving this game. This sht is beyond corny

I disagree
 sh**t like this is what keeps me in. Drama is hillarious. It's fun to be allowed to troll and do personal attacks to some degree on this board and that's an important part of atlasia.

[P. Clodius Pulcher did nothing wrong]

Well said, LT! And lfromnj is right, the drama is half the fun.

[FairBol]

actually she's not a federalist

I know....just trying to describe the whole "Red Scare" mentality.  For lack of a better term, there ya go, LOL. 

[Pericles]

Like tbh if Feb 2018 was based on policy alone then I'd have won, but fhtagn got friendship votes and so won narrowly. So it's pretty hypocritical and nonsensical of her to call us personality-focused.

[FairBol]

All you run on these days is "Adam is a tyrant" and "Pericles is an annoying hack," and you dodge questions about policy. It's appropriate you're making these posts on a forum where we guess election results, because you're seriously...projecting!

And all Labor runs on is "everyone on the right is a terrorist".  :: shrugs ::

[fhtagn]

Like tbh if Feb 2018 was based on policy alone then I'd have won, but fhtagn got friendship votes and so won narrowly. So it's pretty hypocritical and nonsensical of her to call us personality-focused.

You had no policy. You just spewed the word "progressive" in every sentence and pretended that meant anything.

[FairBol]

Arguing here be like....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WS2Bsq5PDmU

[Pericles]

Like tbh if Feb 2018 was based on policy alone then I'd have won, but fhtagn got friendship votes and so won narrowly. So it's pretty hypocritical and nonsensical of her to call us personality-focused.

You had no policy. You just spewed the word "progressive" in every sentence and pretended that meant anything.

Well first of all that's not true, but more importantly for my point it doesn't matter what your opinion of my policy is because both then and now more Atlasians are closer to my views than yours.

[fhtagn]

Like tbh if Feb 2018 was based on policy alone then I'd have won, but fhtagn got friendship votes and so won narrowly. So it's pretty hypocritical and nonsensical of her to call us personality-focused.

You had no policy. You just spewed the word "progressive" in every sentence and pretended that meant anything.

Well first of all that's not true, but more importantly for my point it doesn't matter what your opinion of my policy is because both then and now more Atlasians are closer to my views than yours.

Whatever makes you feel important, Peri.

[Pericles]

Like tbh if Feb 2018 was based on policy alone then I'd have won, but fhtagn got friendship votes and so won narrowly. So it's pretty hypocritical and nonsensical of her to call us personality-focused.

You had no policy. You just spewed the word "progressive" in every sentence and pretended that meant anything.

Well first of all that's not true, but more importantly for my point it doesn't matter what your opinion of my policy is because both then and now more Atlasians are closer to my views than yours.

Whatever makes you feel important, Peri.

Uh that's not even a point that would matter to my ego either way, it's just a statement of how Atlasia works. You have to know this on some level.

[fhtagn]

Like tbh if Feb 2018 was based on policy alone then I'd have won, but fhtagn got friendship votes and so won narrowly. So it's pretty hypocritical and nonsensical of her to call us personality-focused.

You had no policy. You just spewed the word "progressive" in every sentence and pretended that meant anything.

Well first of all that's not true, but more importantly for my point it doesn't matter what your opinion of my policy is because both then and now more Atlasians are closer to my views than yours.

Whatever makes you feel important, Peri.

Uh that's not even a point that would matter to my ego either way, it's just a statement of how Atlasia works. You have to know this on some level.

Cool story.

[Leinad]

All you run on these days is "Adam is a tyrant" and "Pericles is an annoying hack," and you dodge questions about policy. It's appropriate you're making these posts on a forum where we guess election results, because you're seriously...projecting!

And all Labor runs on is "everyone on the right is a terrorist".  :: shrugs ::

What are you even talking about? You can't just ignore accusations and be like "lol you always say that!"

I think it's clear anyone who accuses someone like Yankee of terrorism is a partisan hack, but no one is doing that. People are upset by the personal attacks, encouragement of doxxing, encouragement of 2015-style radical solutions such as leaving the game or flooding the forum with alt-right hacks, the homophobia, the transphobia, literal lies (libel!!!), shaming people for "being a loser" (hypocritically! very personal & not good!), etc. etc. etc.

No one is saying conservatism = terrorism and you're being very disingenuous (or just ignorant?) to frame the reality as such.

[diptheriadan]

No one is saying conservatism = terrorism and you're being very disingenuous (or just ignorant?) to frame the reality as such.

It's FairBol dude, I think we both know the answer to that question.

Though you do have to admit, he's a pretty brave dude. He's the sort of dude who would jump into the deep end of a swimming pool with his foot tied to a cinder block, if you get my meaning.

EDIT: Upon further reflection, this joke could've been better delivered. 

[FairBol]

Though you do have to admit, he's a pretty brave dude. He's the sort of dude who would jump into the deep end of a swimming pool with his foot tied to a cinder block, if you get my meaning.

LOL!! Never heard that one....ROFL

[AustralianSwingVoter]

It's amazing that fhtagn won't capitalise on any opportunities to grow the ACP. It was founded with a bit over a dozen members and it's basically stayed flat like that. Given all the ample opportunities if fhtagn actually put effort into recruitment and Fed defections the ACP would probably be larger than the Feds by now.

[Leinad]

It's amazing that fhtagn won't capitalise on any opportunities to grow the ACP. It was founded with a bit over a dozen members and it's basically stayed flat like that. Given all the ample opportunities if fhtagn actually put effort into recruitment and Fed defections the ACP would probably be larger than the Feds by now.

Eh, I kinda think a hard-right party always has a low ceiling in Atlasia.

[Deep Dixieland Senator, Muad'dib (OSR MSR)]

That same screenshot exonerates Louisville Thunder (and a brave anonymous user I guess)

I'm Spartacus

[Former President tack50]

Well, looking at the RedEagleOfficial debacle  and the "Deeply Disturbing!" leaks, I guess after this thread some are planning to do the exact opposite now.

Doesn't matter, both will kill Atlasia as we know it.

[fhtagn]

All you run on these days is "Adam is a tyrant" and "Pericles is an annoying hack," and you dodge questions about policy. It's appropriate you're making these posts on a forum where we guess election results, because you're seriously...projecting!

And all Labor runs on is "everyone on the right is a terrorist".  :: shrugs ::

What are you even talking about? You can't just ignore accusations and be like "lol you always say that!"

I think it's clear anyone who accuses someone like Yankee of terrorism is a partisan hack, but no one is doing that. People are upset by the personal attacks, encouragement of doxxing, encouragement of 2015-style radical solutions such as leaving the game or flooding the forum with alt-right hacks, the homophobia, the transphobia, literal lies (libel!!!), shaming people for "being a loser" (hypocritically! very personal & not good!), etc. etc. etc.

No one is saying conservatism = terrorism and you're being very disingenuous (or just ignorant?) to frame the reality as such.

Leinad Overreacts: Part 54321

[lfromnj]

Well, looking at the RedEagleOfficial debacle  and the "Deeply Disturbing!" leaks, I guess after this thread some are planning to do the exact opposite now.

Doesn't matter, both will kill Atlasia as we know it.

Resistance will not be accepted only controlled opposition . I fail to see how recruiting at most a dozen people off site from a YouTube channel as killing a game.

[Former President tack50]

Well, looking at the RedEagleOfficial debacle  and the "Deeply Disturbing!" leaks, I guess after this thread some are planning to do the exact opposite now.

Doesn't matter, both will kill Atlasia as we know it.

Resistance will not be accepted only controlled opposition . I fail to see how recruiting at most a dozen people off site from a YouTube channel as killing a game.

I have never advocated for a "controlled opposition". I fully know Atlasia needs a strong opposition that can at least win elections.

However, off-site recruitment is not the way to go, I've been opposed to it for quite a while. Now, if those new posters eventually settle in Atlas and they want to join the game, they are more than welcome. Maybe one of them will even become a Senator or president some day! But off-site recruitment for the sake of having a zombie legion that will vote for one side breaks the game.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that the non-written rules against off site recruitment have been weakening more and more.

In another Atlasian history lesson (man I love paying attention Yankee/Griff's history lessons. I'm such a good student ), back in 2013, Wolfentoad was condemned for several reasons. While it was nowhere near the only reason, one of the reasons he was shunned by the rest of Atlasia was that he attempted to perform off-site recruitment from Stormfront (interestingly, as the head of the Liberal party!).

https://exposewolfentoad.wordpress.com/



Interestingly, the "let's put right wingers in Labor and destroy them from the inside" that was confirmed by the "Deeply Disturbing!" Discord log was also an strategy performed by Wolfentoad back in the day lol.

Now, I won't pretend RedEagle's channel is anywhere near Stormfront. I haven't watched his videos other than the Atlas one, but very few things can top Stormfront, and I doubt a Youtube channel does. Also, nothing has happened so far.

However, if it did eventually happen, why can't all of Atlasia be united in condemning fhtagn and NYCMM's attempts to subvert Atlasia, just like all of Atlasia was united in condemning Wolfentoad first and the 2015 radicals later?

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Atlasia wasn't united against Wolfentoad at least. Labor, TPP and Federalist Establishment (with few exceptions) were anti-Napoleon and anti-Wolf.  

The Liberals, many libertarians and a large number of rank and file Feds (as well as Clarence and Tmth) were favorable towards them.


Fun fact, The Federalist Party Private Forum was created at the request of (a certain former Chair who doesn't like to be named dropped) to sift through the recruits and see who was and was not a Wolfentoad plant.

Eventually yes, the tide turned and he was run out of Atlasia. But it should be noted for instance a large number of Feds voted for Napoleon against Griffin in March of that year.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Also it should be noted that the interest in recruitment is if anything a reaction to the "let Atlasia burn mindset" expressed in the OP.


Give up and leave is not a new concept in Atlasia on the right. It was heavily prevalent in the JCP era and immediately afterwards. We lost a number of people that way, most prominent being former FM and former Governor Brandonh. Eventually for a Conservative with no chance of winning, leaving the game becomes more and more appealing as time goes on and the longer the left remains dominant, the more people will want to just give up and leave.

The best thing for this game is some degree of parity. This will help Labor as well as many within Labor understand, including I would imagine Adam, Tack and a few others based on their posts, the presence of a roughly equally strength right is essential to long term survival of Labor and interest on the left. 

Tack even linked an old thread yesterday from 2015 where I mention this very threat ironically in the context of people like Al's nasty attacks causing people to want to leave.

But mostly the people it alienates are idiots. Let's be clear here: the moronic yelping for 'REGIONAL RIGHTS' was the moment at which the game embarked upon the path that led to its decrepitude.

No, that was when this game was saved from the small exclusive vision you have for this game.

You have been treating people like crap for a decade. You as much as anyone is guilty of creating an environment where people just say "f this", I'm out.

You guys have never gave a damn about the mood on the right because frankly you have never needed or wanted a right in this game. You don't need them when there is no gov't sim or Game engine to make elections worth anything more then just personality contests.

The problem is not us Regionalists, the problem is people like you calling people you disagree with idiots all the time.

What pains me most is that so many on the right have stooped to Al's level.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

Consolidation was heavily tied in with those fears on the right, fears of being "swept away" and left with no relevance. It was thought that a three region map would be easy for the left to sweep and since that has happened first in 2017 and now again in 2019, compared to 2008-2016 when the South was only seriously threatened by the left twice (2009 and 2012/2013), there was at least some merit to those claims.

Al's post was in response to an expression of concern about this and yes another similar threat to leave the game if consolidation occurred.

[Unconditional Surrender Truman]

Indeed, partisan parity is essential to the long-term health of the game. Twice before in the last four years has a single party maintained uncontested control for multiple cycles, and both instances preceded a period of decline, inactivity, and malaise for the game as a whole. Ultimately, that malaise ate out the ruling coalition from the inside, accounting for the Labor collapse in late 2015-early 2016 and the Federalist downfall last year. The problem is, as Yankee has alluded to, the sort of "dark arts" that some people would resort to to resurrect their lost electoral hopes never work and always compound the problems of the necromancers. The main effect of the Radical coup d'état in 2015 was to put the majority's backs up against the wall and force them to chose between exterminating the Radical menace or being themselves exterminated. Some people would have preferred to coexist peacefully, but that was no longer an option after Al and TNF threw down the gauntlet. Tell me, how did that work out for them?